Originally posted by golem370
Thanos
"His skin in nearly invulnerable, particularly against heat, cold, electricity, radiation, toxins, aging, and disease"Silver Surfer could turn the beam of Ice in to fire
Firelord is a Cosmic Flamed being.
Can you grasp the concept of freezing from the inside out and not from the outside?
Originally posted by DemasFinally Moisture inversion is not in current Iceman's arsenal. Hijacking the banisher's body 1. Requires the banisher have moisture- an assumption on your part. 2. The question is not what Bobby can do to defeat, people, it's what can people do to him.
while I understand what you are saying in terms of the other attackers, a lot of them have to have a process in doing that, right? it really does all depend on who can think through there "powers" first...and its usually Iceman....now to the quote that I have quoted, who says that Moisture inversion is not in current Icemans arsenal? Unless stated VERY recently and I havent heard of it, Iceman has been able to do it in X-men Forever, which is cannon, and he was able to turn to water vs the Monks in the Xorn arch (which would prove he can still transfigure his body to and from different stages of his element), and unless the banisher is as you said before a ghost or a robot, almost 97% of his enemies have human bodies, or moisture in them, so the assumption is not that great....
Originally posted by Blair Wind
while I understand what you are saying in terms of the other attackers, a lot of them have to have a process in doing that, right? it really does all depend on who can think through there "powers" first...and its usually Iceman
Only if it's a duel... the OP is open-ended enough to involve scenario fights which leave Bobby vulnerable... particularly to range or stelath attacks. Despite his physical durability, he's not omniscient by far.
....now to the quote that I have quoted, who says that Moisture inversion is not in current Icemans arsenal? Unless stated VERY recently and I havent heard of it, Iceman has been able to do it in X-men Forever, which is cannon, and he was able to turn to water vs the Monks in the Xorn arch (which would prove he can still transfigure his body to and from different stages of his element)
The former is highly debatable- controversial at the very least- until more present-day feats appear, it seems rooted in SMvsFL territory, IMO... after all no one else seemed to come away from the experience empowered. The latter still proves my point; his body- whatever form- still serves as the anchor to his consciousness. We'd have to show a disconnect for bodily banishment to not work.
and unless the banisher is as you said before a ghost or a robot,
...energy being, temporally displaced, plot-wise invulnerable, magically defended, highscifi defended, etc... There are no shortage of these characters in the Marvel Universe (particularly of "plot-wise invulnerability" where characters are immune to or invulnerable regardless of physical principles).
Let's be clear, Iceman is indeed very powerful, but his abilities are limited to affecting the physical plane and the rational with in it. Comics, by their nature, defy both regularly.
I'm thinking
Dr. Strange
Silver Surfer
Shaman
Phoenix
Cosmic Spiderman
And I'm sure that there is more than one member (but I am not one of them) who thinks that either Wolverine or Batman could stop him.
How's that? To be quite honest, I am not completely aware of what a totally ramped up Ice Man is capable of, so take this with a grain of salt.
Originally posted by DemasThe former is highly debatable- controversial at the very least- until more present-day feats appear, it seems rooted in SMvsFL territory, IMO... after all no one else seemed to come away from the experience empowered. The latter still proves my point; his body- whatever form- still serves as the anchor to his consciousness. We'd have to show a disconnect for bodily banishment to not work. [i dont agree]
...energy being, temporally displaced, plot-wise invulnerable, magically defended, highscifi defended, etc... There are no shortage of these characters in the Marvel Universe (particularly of "plot-wise invulnerability" where characters are immune to or invulnerable regardless of physical principles). [ I can agree with this part at least in part, if an energy being say can have there molcules stopped, well whos gonna win? if they are already defended at the start then ok, but if its a forum battle, well its different....]
Let's be clear, Iceman is indeed very powerful, but his abilities are limited to affecting the physical plane and the rational with in it. Comics, by their nature, defy both regularly.
ok the part I dont agree with is that Iceman cannot do mouisture inversion, In X-men forever it was stated that he was the potential (everyone was given a "nickname"😉 the fact that he learned to control his powers in new ways was the whole point of him being there, every one had there own subplot, something they had to come to terms with, it just so happened that Iceman's happened to involve his powers....also the point that he can turn his body into those different forms proves that his consouisness would have to be spread out, since there is no big clump of brain all together....
other than higher than skyfather levels, the only one that readily comes to mind is Tempest with his magic and water abilities...and no to Kharma if it was an immediate battle with no prep, there is nothing Wolvie or Batman could do...through physical means he is basically invulernable as he can just reform from being shattered....
Has Iceman ever actually hit absolute zero? It's never actually been done in the real world, as far as I know. He can flash freeze an area, yes, but that wouldn't necessarily have to be absolute zero. Bobby's disgustingly powerful, but theoretically, NOTHING can survive being brought down to absolute zero temperatures, and I really don't see him blowing off Galactus's leg by making it that cold.
Originally posted by phase
OK recently iin a lot of threads Iceman has come up and is basically unstoppable with his ability to reform by inhabiting any water molecules so does any1 hav any idea of who can beat him except for telepaths like Xavier (previous thread)as they can mentally shut him down.Seriously who can beat him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wanna no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If there are already a ton of these threads whyd you make one?
And i like iceman alot but im afraid if he gets this much "exposure" ppl will start viewing him negativly 🙁
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Silver Surfer soars through space all the time. The temperatures there are near/at absolute zero.
That was a reply to Golem's drivel about not being able to freeze Thanos because his skin is resistant to cold.
+ on Earth it's gone near 1 billionth of a degree till absolute zero so it CAN get much much MUCH colder than space.
Point being that i don't know if Iceman can absolute zero freeze Thanos, but the fact that his skin is resistant to cold would have nothing to do with the success or failure of the attempt.
Originally posted by Dark Urizen
That was a reply to Golem's drivel about not being able to freeze Thanos because his skin is resistant to cold.+ on Earth it's gone near 1 billionth of a degree till absolute zero so it CAN get much much MUCH colder than space.
Point being that i don't know if Iceman can absolute zero freeze Thanos, but the fact that his skin is resistant to cold would have nothing to do with the success or failure of the attempt.
SO what your saying is that iceman flash-freezes thanos on the inside turning him into a Popsicle before he does a captain cold style fatality......
Originally posted by grey fox
SO what your saying is that iceman flash-freezes thanos on the inside turning him into a Popsicle before he does a captain cold style fatality......
😂
I don't know if it would work on Thanos or not, but people don't seem to understand how Iceman's powers work. When he freezes something or someone be it from the outside with ice beams or from the inside, he doesn't just turn them into popsicles. The idea is that he stops any sort of kinetic energy in that area. Particles no longer move.
Again, i don't know if it would work on Thanos or not, but him having a skin that is somewhat resistant to cold would have nothing to do with it.