Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Google Dorling and Kinderley X-men and you'll come up with what you need.To be honest this is a bit extreme and verging on obsessive. This debate is about current she hulk vs colossus. Why are you going to such lengths to try and discredit snoops source which shows that before her upgrade colossus was indeed stronger? Whats the relevance to this debate? 😕
I just wanted to know what he was talking about. Thanks for the info.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I think it was called the "The Ultimate guide to the X-men"Here is She-Hulk bio in the 2004 Avengers handbook.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/She-Hulkbio.jpgHere is Colossus' bio from the 2005 X-men handbook.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossusbio.jpgNote the durabilty differences.
I'm sorry, but those stats are generally so inconsistant (for example, Wolverine is rated as being as strong as Spiderman? Jubilee is as tough as Kingpin? Jim Rhodes is a better fighter than either Morlun or Thanos?!) that I really don't put much stock in them. I much prefer to see feats from the actual comic books.
Originally posted by MelnormeSomtimes you have to read between the lines.
I'm sorry, but those stats are generally so inconsistant (for example, Wolverine is rated as being as strong as Spiderman? Jubilee is as tough as Kingpin? Jim Rhodes is a better fighter than either Morlun or Thanos?!) that I really don't put much stock in them. I much prefer to see feats from the actual comic books.
First off, Cybermaster, Colossus never fought the REAL Hulk. That was a Skrull-Hulk. And yes, Colossus did stomp him verily.
Second...well...I was just going to say that Colossus would win. Better fighter, in my opinion just as strong (if not stronger), just as agile, just as quick, and far more durable. The only thing I see going for She-Hulk is her lawyer-like mind. And I don't see that as much of an advantage in this fight.
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Originally posted by Metalmanxi agree there alos that hes a much better fighter than she is. but she has won many herself also. sure that wasnt original hulk cause he looked like the orignal one to me when i 1st saw it
First off, Cybermaster, Colossus never fought the REAL Hulk. That was a Skrull-Hulk. And yes, Colossus did stomp him verily.Second...well...I was just going to say that Colossus would win. Better fighter, in my opinion just as strong (if not stronger), just as agile, just as quick, and far more durable. The only thing I see going for She-Hulk is her lawyer-like mind. And I don't see that as much of an advantage in this fight.
Re: right
Originally posted by cybermasteryour probably looking at those other 2 green character that kinda look like hulk on the next few pages after colossus knocks the crap out of him.
i agree there alos that hes a much better fighter than she is. but she has won many herself also. sure that wasnt original hulk cause he looked like the orignal one to me when i 1st saw it
Handbooks aside you dont have feats of Colossus being in cl 100 group like Thor and the rest. Not even a notch below like Wonder Man.
Handbooks can always be labeled as "officials" they practically never meet what comics show. And the main source to discuss comic book characters are comics itself.
Old She hulk was in Thing`s league more or less (not top tier but not that far either). Right now (and to answer the last post- we dont know, nothing was shown yet to indicate if she lost the upgrade for good or not ) she would beat him confortably.
Originally posted by MetalmanxSecond...well...I was just going to say that Colossus would win. Better fighter, in my opinion just as strong (if not stronger), just as agile, just as quick, and far more durable. The only thing I see going for She-Hulk is her lawyer-like mind. And I don't see that as much of an advantage in this fight.
Colossus is around Thing level strength. He is a low level class 100 and as such She hulk is quite alot stronger than him.
He has her beat in terms of durability but then she has a healing factor.
She hulk is also a well trained fighter, trained by Captain America so theres no evidence that Colossus is considerably better than her in that area.
As it stands current she hulk wins imo but Colossus puts up a very good fight.
I think there should be a new option on the poll.
"After fighting for hours, they gradually become more and more attracted to each other. Suddenly, trapping her in a vicious bear-hug, Colossus kisses her passionately. She-Hulk, caught off guard, can't help but kiss back. One things leads to another...and the night ends with a demolished hotel room."
Yea. I'd vote for that option.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Colossus is around Thing level strength. He is a low level class 100 and as such She hulk is quite alot stronger than him.He has her beat in terms of durability but then she has a healing factor.
She hulk is also a well trained fighter, trained by Captain America so theres no evidence that Colossus is considerably better than her in that area.
As it stands current she hulk wins imo but Colossus puts up a very good fight.
Opinion noted, and respected.
I just believe that Colossus has much more experience backing him than Shulkie does, both in fighting ability and in just plain use of abilities altogether. And to be honest, I find it rather difficult to properly gauge Colossus's strength, since he doesn't get anywhere near as many showings as say Thing and She Hulk now that she's on the Avengers. Not saying that Shulkie isn't uberly strong, I just believe that Colossus is up there, too, for he hasn't been shown to be anything less really. Especially when he's enraged, he almost pulls a Hulk and gets even more powerful.
Anyway, in my opinion, Colossus wins. But not after a loooong battle. In fact, I think this fight would be even closer than Colossus vs. Thing. Just my opinion.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Opinion noted, and respected.I just believe that Colossus has much more experience backing him than Shulkie does, both in fighting ability and in just plain use of abilities altogether. And to be honest, I find it rather difficult to properly gauge Colossus's strength, since he doesn't get anywhere near as many showings as say Thing and She Hulk now that she's on the Avengers. Not saying that Shulkie isn't uberly strong, I just believe that Colossus is up there, too, for he hasn't been shown to be anything less really. Especially when he's enraged, he almost pulls a Hulk and gets even more powerful.
Anyway, in my opinion, Colossus wins. But not after a loooong battle. In fact, I think this fight would be even closer than Colossus vs. Thing. Just my opinion.
Well colossus was weaker than both thing and she hulk when he started out and its not until recently that hes had a slight strength increase as a result of growing up which made him low level class 100. By its nature its not a dramatic increase and hasnt been shown to be so in the comics.
Thing has continually increased in strength as a result he is now low level class 100 as well.
She hulk while wearing her jupiter suit was shown to be at least twice as strong as Thing. Unless youre telling me a few years of growing up has made colossus over twice as strong as he was (which is the least he'd need to be to be on a par strength wise) then yes She hulk is considerably stronger than him.
Is Colossus a better fighter? Thats debatable. Theyre both trained by exceptional fighters however none of them are known for their fighting skills and its not something thats ever highlighted in their appearances. As such theyre on the same level in that respect which is also the view Marvel have taken. (Theyre both level 3)
Colossus can withstand higher temperatures than She hulk but then she has a healing factor that makes up for that.
Colossus has no clear cut advantage in any area. Theyre evenly matched in all but strength where going by recent accounts she considerably stronger.
She hulk wins.
