She-Hulk vs Colossus

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Well colossus was weaker than both thing and she hulk when he started out and its not until recently that hes had a slight strength increase as a result of growing up which made him low level class 100. By its nature its not a dramatic increase and hasnt been shown to be so in the comics.

Thing has continually increased in strength as a result he is now low level class 100 as well.

She hulk while wearing her jupiter suit was shown to be at least twice as strong as Thing. Unless youre telling me a few years of growing up has made colossus over twice as strong as he was (which is the least he'd need to be to be on a par strength wise) then yes She hulk is considerably stronger than him.

Is Colossus a better fighter? Thats debatable. Theyre both trained by exceptional fighters however none of them are known for their fighting skills and its not something thats ever highlighted in their appearances. As such theyre on the same level in that respect which is also the view Marvel have taken. (Theyre both level 3)

Colossus can withstand higher temperatures than She hulk but then she has a healing factor that makes up for that.

Colossus has no clear cut advantage in any area. Theyre evenly matched in all but strength where going by recent accounts she considerably stronger.

She hulk wins.

Actually Colossus first big upgrade is when the Xmen all "died" and moved to Australia. His had a few since. No X men, know Whirly 😂

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Actually Colossus first big upgrade is when the Xmen all "died" and moved to Australia. His had a few since. No X men, know Whirly 😂

Id love for you to prove it my friend because i actually have access to all Uncanny issues since 1975. Colossus has been officially class 70 up until his recent upgrade a few years back shortly after X-men 100 which was the return of Chris Claremont to X-men and the start of rogues short time as team leader.

KNOW who youre dealing with, dont talk waffle. 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Well colossus was weaker than both thing and she hulk when he started out and its not until recently that hes had a slight strength increase as a result of growing up which made him low level class 100. By its nature its not a dramatic increase and hasnt been shown to be so in the comics.

Thing has continually increased in strength as a result he is now low level class 100 as well.

She hulk while wearing her jupiter suit was shown to be at least twice as strong as Thing. Unless youre telling me a few years of growing up has made colossus over twice as strong as he was (which is the least he'd need to be to be on a par strength wise) then yes She hulk is considerably stronger than him.

Is Colossus a better fighter? Thats debatable. Theyre both trained by exceptional fighters however none of them are known for their fighting skills and its not something thats ever highlighted in their appearances. As such theyre on the same level in that respect which is also the view Marvel have taken. (Theyre both level 3)

Colossus can withstand higher temperatures than She hulk but then she has a healing factor that makes up for that.

Colossus has no clear cut advantage in any area. Theyre evenly matched in all but strength where going by recent accounts she considerably stronger.

She hulk wins.

I think Colosuss' clear cut advantages are his durability and experience actually.

I'd much rather have nigh-invulnerability than a healing factor in this kind of fight. Being invulnerable, there is no need for a healing factor. While She-Hulk can and will feel pain, Colossus' received pain (if any) will be drastically smaller than Shulkie's. It's not just temperatures that he's more durable against you know.

I really wish they'd give just one really good showing of strength on Colossus' part, just at least for the next few years, so we have something to go by.

And experience definitely goes a long way in a fight with such a similar opponent, wouldn't you say so? And Colossus has experience in spades, unlike Shulkie.

But again, I respect your opinion, not saying you're wrong or anything. This is just my opinion.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Id love for you to prove it my friend because i actually have access to all Uncanny issues since 1975. Colossus has been officially class 70 up until his recent upgrade a few years back shortly after X-men 100 which was the return of Chris Claremont to X-men and the start of rogues short time as team leader.

KNOW who youre dealing with, dont talk waffle. 😄

Read it - his energy is realligned and little nodes get straightened - only 1975 pfft
He comes back stronger after this, they keep commenting on how different he is - first thing he does is go and sort Sym out as I remember, if you have access you should know this.

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No recent showings of strength? what about taking a full on sentinel blast and not flinching... or when they were trying to get into the danger room, and all those lasers were pounding him...

Originally posted by pr1983
No recent showings of strength? what about taking a full on sentinel blast and not flinching... or when they were trying to get into the danger room, and all those lasers were pounding him...

Thats durability PR, but I agree Colossus is tough and strong.

Originally posted by pr1983
No recent showings of strength? what about taking a full on sentinel blast and not flinching... or when they were trying to get into the danger room, and all those lasers were pounding him...

When was that? Was that in Astonishing? Cuz I don't read that.

Can you describe what happened a bit more? And possibly some issue numbers? I'd love to see that in action.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I think Colosuss' clear cut advantages are his durability actually and experience.

I'd much rather have nigh-invulnerability than a healing factor in this kind of fight. Being invulnerable, there is no need for a healing factor. While She-Hulk can and will feel pain, Colossus' received pain (if any) will be drastically smaller than Shulkie's. It's not just temperatures that he's more durable against you know.

I really wish they'd give just one really good showing of strength on Colossus' part, just at least for the next few years, so we have something to go by.

And experience definitely goes a long way in a fight with such a similar opponent, wouldn't you say so? And Colossus has experience in spades, unlike Shulkie.

But again, I respect your opinion, not saying you're wrong or anything. This is just my opinion.

Colossus' durability isnt a clear cut edge. He can withstand higher temperatures than her before he melts. He can also withstand higher temperatures than the hulk before hulks skin will start to blister (hulks limit is actually the same as she hulks 3000 degress fahrenheit) but then hulks healing factor deals with any damage his skin cant withstand. She hulks healing factor evens it up on the durability front.

Colossus started off in 1975 She hulk 1980 and theyve been going on ever since. She hulk often solo colossus as part of a team. Colossus doesnt necessarily have more experience than she hulk. Their fighting skills for the aforementioned reason are on par which is also Marvels view.

She hulk is quite alot stronger than colossus so she takes it.

Whirly, usually strength and durability are intertwined, i usually (by accident) substitute one for the other...

metalmanx, both were in astonishing, a sentinel attacked the mansion, and it fired at colossus and logan, colossus stood in front of logan and took the whole blast without so much as a stagger...

when the danger room achieved its own intelligence, it trapped shadowcat and the students inside, and was going to kill them... colossus went into the walls and was ripping circuitry out of the walls when the security system kicked in, firing lasers (that i'd heard were meant to stop gladiator), and he resisted longer than most would...

Yes she Hulk is stronger but not as durable, and weak Colossus has gone toe to toe with Gladiator.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Read it - his energy is realligned and little nodes get straightened - only 1975 pfft
He comes back stronger after this, they keep commenting on how different he is - first thing he does is go and sort Sym out as I remember, if you have access you should know this.

🙂

Where does it state that he received a strength upgrade? 😕

It does NOT. You gave false in formation so please refrain from polluting this thread with your waffle. 😮

Originally posted by pr1983
Whirly, usually strength and durability are intertwined, i usually (by accident) substitute one for the other...

metalmanx, both were in astonishing, a sentinel attacked the mansion, and it fired at colossus and logan, colossus stood in front of logan and took the whole blast without so much as a stagger...

when the danger room achieved its own intelligence, it trapped shadowcat and the students inside, and was going to kill them... colossus went into the walls and was ripping circuitry out of the walls when the security system kicked in, firing lasers (that i'd heard were meant to stop gladiator), and he resisted longer than most would...

I think Unus is a good example of how this is not always the case.

or wolverine whirly... 😛

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Where does it state that he received a strength upgrade? 😕

It does NOT. You gave false in formation so please refrain from polluting this thread with your waffle. 😮

He got an upgrade in that issue. No pollution you were wrong again - reading the comics when they came out in continuity - before you were born or in kindergarden helps. Thats why you get it wrong....... probably.

Originally posted by pr1983
or wolverine whirly... 😛

exactly 🙂

Has Colossus ever been done in by blunt trauma? We've seen She-Hulk messed up by it, but what about Peter?

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
He got an upgrade in that issue. No pollution you were wrong again - reading the comics when they came out in continuity - before you were born or in kindergarden helps. Thats why you get it wrong....... probably.

When they came out was obviously the first and last time you read them which goes some way into explaining how utterly useless you are on all things X-related. 😱

No strength upgrade as you claimed. I'll gladly post scans if you wish to continue this line of argument. Just say the word. 😉

Originally posted by Demas
Has Colossus ever been done in by blunt trauma? We've seen She-Hulk messed up by it, but what about Peter?

Dealt with by blunt trauma? Indeed he has and can be. Im gathering scans now if need be.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Just say the word. 😉

"Word", I want to see it

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
When they came out was obviously the first and last time you read them which goes some way into explaining how utterly useless you are on all things X-related. 😱

No strength upgrade as you claimed. I'll gladly post scans if you wish to continue this line of argument. Just say the word. 😉

Your scans usually leave lots out, they are not scans anyway they are copyright infringement, as you never buy comics only download. Anyway anyone who read that arc knows you're wrong.

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