Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Colossus' durability isnt a clear cut edge. He can withstand higher temperatures than her before he melts. He can also withstand higher temperatures than the hulk before hulks skin will start to blister (hulks limit is actually the same as she hulks 3000 degress fahrenheit) but then hulks healing factor deals with any damage his skin cant withstand. She hulks healing factor evens it up on the durability front.Colossus started off in 1975 She hulk 1980 and theyve been going on ever since. She hulk often solo colossus as part of a team. Colossus doesnt necessarily have more experience than she hulk. Their fighting skills for the aforementioned reason are on par which is also Marvels view.
She hulk is quite alot stronger than colossus so she takes it.
Huh. I didn't know being stronger than your opponent meant an automatic win.
I guess both Spiderman and Wolverine should've lost to a vast number of their much-stronger opponents then, eh?
Too bad it doesn't work that way. Stronger or not, Colossus has what it takes to defeat her. Namely nigh-invulnerabity (far better than a healing factor) and experience with fighting UBER-strong opponents, such as Juggernaut, Sasquatch, and Gladiator. Given his high degree of superhuman strength as well, he definitely has what it takes to defeat this superstrong Shulkie.
And we all know how accurate that Marvel scale is. Cuz Kingpin, Shadowcat, Sabretooth, and Shang Chi are COMPLETE equals in terms of fighting ability. And Punisher having better fighting skills than all four of them.
Yea.
I could keep going, there are many mistakes with this scale. But I think you get the point.
Anyway, I believe Colossus has exactly what it takes to bring She-Hulk down.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
She lost to Sasquatch in Infinite Crusade #5Edit: Nevermind I thought you asked has She-Hulk been done in by blunt trauma. Colossus gotten taken out by classic Jugz.
Exactly. And that's not necessarily a bad thing to lose to Classic Juggernaut, as he could really beat just about anyone strength wise. He would've thrashed Shulkie much faster than he did Colossus.
But Colossus has also held his own and gone toe-to-toe with Juggy as well. And don't forget Sasquatch. Or Gladiator for that matter.
Gladiator would curbstomp Shulkie.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Huh. I didn't know being stronger than your opponent meant an automatic win.I guess both Spiderman and Wolverine should've lost to a vast number of their much-stronger opponents then, eh?
Too bad it doesn't work that way. Stronger or not, Colossus has what it takes to defeat her. Namely nigh-invulnerabity (far better than a healing factor) and experience with fighting UBER-strong opponents, such as Juggernaut, Sasquatch, and Gladiator. Given his high degree of superhuman strength as well, he definitely has what it takes to defeat this superstrong Shulkie.
And we all know how accurate that Marvel scale is. Cuz Kingpin, Shadowcat, Sabretooth, and Shang Chi are COMPLETE equals in terms of fighting ability. And Punisher having better fighting skills than all three of them.
Yea.
I could keep going, there are many mistakes with this scale. But I think you get the point.
Anyway, I believe Colossus has exactly what it takes to bring She-Hulk down.
GS's arguments are usually very long in an attempt to hide the flaws in them 🙂
Its a major problem with him MMX 😉
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Huh. I didn't know being stronger than your opponent meant an automatic win.I guess both Spiderman and Wolverine should've lost to a vast number of their much-stronger opponents then, eh?
Too bad it doesn't work that way. Stronger or not, Colossus has what it takes to defeat her. Namely nigh-invulnerabity (far better than a healing factor) and experience with fighting UBER-strong opponents, such as Juggernaut, Sasquatch, and Gladiator. Given his high degree of superhuman strength as well, he definitely has what it takes to defeat this superstrong Shulkie.
And we all know how accurate that Marvel scale is. Cuz Kingpin, Shadowcat, Sabretooth, and Shang Chi are COMPLETE equals in terms of fighting ability. And Punisher having better fighting skills than all three of them.
Yea.
I could keep going, there are many mistakes with this scale. But I think you get the point.
Anyway, I believe Colossus has exactly what it takes to bring She-Hulk down.
What you dont seem to be acknowledging is the fact that she hulk has a high level of invulnerability as well, not quite on colossus' level but its up there. On top of that she has a healing factor which means that in the end she can take and recover from injuries which would leave colossus melted on the sidewalk.
Strength doesnt equal an automatic win but in a situation like this where the characters are so evenly matched in all areas but strength then it means that the one with the greater strength is likely to pull off more wins out of ten. In this case its she hulk.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What you dont seem to be acknowledging is the fact that she hulk has a high level of invulnerability as well, not quite on colossus' level but its up there. On top of that she has a healing factor which means that in the end she can take and recover from injuries which would leave colossus melted on the sidewalk.Strength doesnt equal an automatic win but in a situation like this where the characters are so evenly matched in all areas but strength then it means that the one with the greater strength is likely to pull off more wins out of ten. In this case its she hulk.
Durability works as well "Rope a Dope" 😂 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What you dont seem to be acknowledging is the fact that she hulk has a high level of invulnerability as well, not quite on colossus' level but its up there. On top of that she has a healing factor which means that in the end she can take and recover from injuries which would leave colossus melted on the sidewalk.Strength doesnt equal an automatic win but in a situation like this where the characters are so evenly matched in all areas but strength then it means that the one with the greater strength is likely to pull off more wins out of ten. In this case its she hulk.
...WTF?
Is She-Hulk going to melt Colossus down with her Super-heated plasma blasting superpower? Cuz to my knowledge, that's a new superpower of hers.
While we're at it, let's give Colossus some sort of a Radiation-projecting ability that'll turn Shulkie back into regular ol' Jennifer.
I think that'll make it fair.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Exactly. And that's not necessarily a bad thing to lose to Classic Juggernaut, as he could really beat just about anyone strength wise. He would've thrashed Shulkie much faster than he did Colossus.But Colossus has also held his own and gone toe-to-toe with Juggy as well. And don't forget Sasquatch. Or Gladiator for that matter.
Gladiator would curbstomp Shulkie.
I agree, I'm one of the people who sticks up for Colossus
Errrr...don't want to be a dick, but Sasquatch was dominating him. He took his best shot and he didn't even move. No insult to him, since he was around 70 ton range at this time and classic Sasquatch has gone toe to toe with the Hulk. That's just a bad example, on the other hand Gladiator is a great one.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Durability works as well "Rope a Dope" 😂 🙂
Colossus' only edge is in durability but then she hulk has a high level of durability plus a healing factor, making it pretty even in that department.
She is however considerably stronger than him. Probably twice as much. She pulls off more wins outta ten. 😄
Originally posted by King_Mungi
I agree, I'm one of the people who sticks up for ColossusErrrr...don't want to be a dick, but Sasquatch was dominating him. He took his best shot and he didn't even move. No insult to him, since he was around 70 ton range at this time and classic Sasquatch has gone toe to toe with the Hulk. That's just a bad example, on the other hand Gladiator is a great one.
No no, don't get me wrong. I didn't say that Colossus beat him. I said he held his own and took his best shots for awhile even when he was just a teenager and not nearly as strong. I'm just saying that Colossus was in that league even when he first started out.
And yea, I thought the Gladiator one was the best example as well.
No worries, KM. You and I have always been cool.
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Originally posted by Metalmanx
...WTF?Is She-Hulk going to melt Colossus down with her Super-heated plasma blasting superpower? Cuz to my knowledge, that's a new superpower of hers.
While we're at it, let's give Colossus some sort of a Radiation-projecting ability that'll turn Shulkie back into regular ol' Jennifer.
I think that'll make it fair.
Who said anything about that. Read posts properly. Youre saying Col has higher durability based on the fact that according to their bios he is given a higher temperature limit.
I said yeah ok she hulk will start feeling such an attack before colossus but while she will heal from such an attack colossus would reach his melting point and be left a pile of slag.
Do you see why youre above post is of little relevance now to my previous one?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Colossus' only edge is in durability but then she hulk has a high level of durability plus a healing factor, making it pretty even in that department.She is however considerably stronger than him. Probably twice as much. She pulls off more wins outta ten. 😄
I'm going to go out on a limb here...well, not really. You're speculating that her healing factor plus her durability equals Colossus'. I've accepted that Shulkie is stronger, cuz she is. But you're just speculating about the durability department.
I don't believe I'm alone in saying that it's a fact that:
Colosuss invulnerability>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shulkie's healing factor and durability.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
No no, don't get me wrong. I didn't say that Colossus beat him. I said he held his own and took his best shots for awhile even when he was just a teenager and not nearly as strong. I'm just saying that Colossus was in that league even when he first started out.And yea, I thought the Gladiator one was the best example as well.
No worries, KM. You and I have always been cool.
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Oh then I totally agree, Colossus by the end of the fight started to use his head and used Sasquatch's strength against him giving him a judo toss to the ground. As I said in other threads he is greatly underated.
I have the issue and I was really impressed by him in it.
Damn right, who else is there going to take care of the thousands of supermodels? Just us that's who.
Damn F'n right, and F Bendis
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Who said anything about that. Read posts properly. Youre saying Col has higher durability based on the fact that according to their bios he is given a higher temperature limit.I said yeah ok she hulk will start feeling such an attack before colossus but while she will heal from such an attack colossus would reach his melting point and be left a pile of slag.
Do you see why youre above post is of little relevance now to my previous one?
No, not at all. In fact, now I'm more confused as to where this melting point is coming into play. You seem to assume that during their fight, Colossus will eventually start melting, while Shulkie will just blister and heal.
Are they fighting in the middle of a star achieving Super Nova?
Colossus' durability is not just based on temperature. But I'm sure you knew that already.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Oh then I totally agree, Colossus by the end of the fight started to use his head and used Sasquatch's strength against him giving him a judo toss to the ground. As I said in other threads he is greatly underated.I have the issue and I was really impressed by him in it.
Damn right, who else is there going to take care of the thousands of supermodels? Just us that's who.
Damn F'n right, and F Bendis
Yea, that's what I was getting at. Stronger or not, Colossus knows how to fight opponents stronger than him, using their own strength against them. Judo is a good example of that. And that's when he was still fresh on the team, still a novice. With his fighting skills nowadays, he could pull all sorts of crazy moves used to incapacitate stronger foes.
By the way, I'm having another supermodel party at my place tonight. 8-ish or so. But it won't start without you, bro. Don't forget the marshmallows. I'll bring the chocolate sauce.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I'm going to go out on a limb here...well, not really. You're speculating that her healing factor plus her durability equals Colossus'. I've accepted that Shulkie is stronger, cuz she is. But you're just speculating about the durability department.I don't believe I'm alone in saying that it's a fact that:
Colosuss invulnerability>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shulkie's healing factor and durability.
Does having a higher melting point equate to being more durable? I didnt think it did. If thats not the case then youre also speculating that colossus is more durable. Diamond has a far higher melting point than adamantium yet adamantium can withstand more pressure.
She hulks skin starts blistering at 3000 degrees F. At 9000 degrees F Col starts melting.
She hulk has a healing factor which will take care of her injuries during the fight. Colossus does NOT.
She hulks durability plus her healing factor evens out the match on the durability front. She has the strength to totally obliterate him. He has the strength to hurt her and knock her out. But fortunately she has a healing factor and her vastly superior strength should see that she has the upper hand for the most part in their fights.
Besides pure durability, Colossus has the advantage of being a golem- a being composed of organic-steel- not subject to the pains and injuries related to having organs. Impale him and he doesn't bleed (energy leaks out), gas him and he doesn't breath, try to blind him and his steel eyes still see- defying all physics.
On the other hand She-Hulk is an organ-based being subject to the wounds and vulnerabilities of having said organs. We've seen that she can bruise, bloody, and break. Dirt thrown in her eyes would blind, gas or chokes would asphyxiate, hard blows to the chin cause shock to the brain and concussive effects, sonics or thunderclaps agitate or deafen her ears, she has pressure points and nerve clusters and tendons and muscles to attack and reduce function.
If the fight were to go on at length, I'm sure both could endure physically, but Jennifer would suffer from lack of mental toughness, particularly in her She-Hulk form- something, still of a valley girl used to everything coming easily to her and used to the abuse of her strength- compared to Colossus, who in current continuity, has been through several solid years of torture and solitary confinement, yet continually fought to maintain hope.
Under conditions where Jennifer is continually suffering, enduring pain, chokes & breaks (Peter is familiar with wrestling, often focused on using leverage to affect stronger opponents), bruises and concussions, whereas her opponent shows no outward signs of damage nor of giving up... I can see She-Hulk simply giving up, particularly if there's no moral support or purpose to the fight.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Does having a higher melting point equate to being more durable? I didnt think it did. If thats not the case then youre also speculating that colossus is more durable. Diamond has a far higher melting point than adamantium yet adamantium can withstand more pressure.She hulks skin starts blistering at 3000 degrees F. At 9000 degrees F Col starts melting.
She hulk has a healing factor which will take care of her injuries during the fight. Colossus does NOT.
She hulks durability plus her healing factor evens out the match on the durability front. She has the strength to totally obliterate him. He has the strength to hurt her and knock her out. But fortunately she has a healing factor and her vastly superior strength should see that she has the upper hand for the most part in their fights.
Sigh. Alright.
Shulkie's healing factor would've already kicked in before 3000 degrees F, since the approaching temperatures would already be causing severe discomfort and pain. Her healing factor does not completely negate damage either. If the temperature continues to exceed to say...8999 degrees F, there is only so much she can handle. At those temperatures, she would be obliterated, even with said healing factor. Colossus would be fine, however. A bit hot though.
Again though, not too sure why you brought up temperatures. Colossus is durable and invulnerable to far more than just extremes in temperatures.
What are these so-called "injuries" that Colossus will be receiving without the aid of a Super Nova star on Shulki'e part?
Colossus has the strength, training, and skill necessary to hurt, damage, and knock out She-Hulk. While she possesses the ability to knock him out as well, he is far better equipped to do it both faster and more efficiently.
Originally posted by Demas
Besides pure durability, Colossus has the advantage of being a golem- a being composed of organic-steel- not subject to the pains and injuries related to having organs. Impale him and he doesn't bleed (energy leaks out), gas him and he doesn't breath, try to blind him and his steel eyes still see- defying all physics.On the other hand She-Hulk is an organ-based being subject to the wounds and vulnerabilities of having said organs. We've seen that she can bruise, bloody, and break. Dirt thrown in her eyes would blind, gas or chokes would asphyxiate, hard blows to the chin cause shock to the brain and concussive effects, sonics or thunderclaps agitate or deafen her ears, she has pressure points and nerve clusters and tendons and muscles to attack and reduce function.
If the fight were to go on at length, I'm sure both could endure physically, but Jennifer would suffer from lack of mental toughness, particularly in her She-Hulk form- something, still of a valley girl used to everything coming easily to her and used to the abuse of her strength- compared to Colossus, who in current continuity, has been through several solid years of torture and solitary confinement, yet continually fought to maintain hope.
Under conditions where Jennifer is continually suffering, enduring pain, chokes & breaks (Peter is familiar with wrestling, often focused on using leverage to affect stronger opponents), bruises and concussions, whereas her opponent shows no outward signs of damage nor of giving up... I can see She-Hulk simply giving up, particularly if there's no moral support or purpose to the fight.
That's another good point that I was going to bring up myself if this debate continued much longer. That was all pretty much exactly what I was going to say. But you beat me to it. Kudos, Demas.