Originally posted by debbiejo
The government is always doing things we're not aware of....It's just the way it is.
That's part of the problem, not only are they doing it and letting everyone be aware that they are doing it. But they are trying to convince people that they do this shit for the people's benifit, and if the people don't like it, they don't really seem to give 2 sh*ts.
Originally posted by KharmaDogNothing a person can do.....Governments going to do what they feel is beneficial or even not to their own wills or agendas........Happens on who ever you elect.....Doesn't mean I like it or want to accept it.....just is.
That's part of the problem, not only are they doing it and letting everyone be aware that they are doing it. But they are trying to convince people that they do this shit for the people's benifit, and if the people don't like it, they don't really seem to give 2 sh*ts.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
That's part of the problem, not only are they doing it and letting everyone be aware that they are doing it. But they are trying to convince people that they do this shit for the people's benifit, and if the people don't like it, they don't really seem to give 2 sh*ts.
Exactly, in your thread about post 9/11 changes, this is the biggest change. 9/11 has given this pseudo-theocratic administration the unquestioned ability to tell us they're protecting our lives, by sacrificing our freedoms. Sure they were doing illegal things to monitor both domestic and foreign citizens before 9/11. But, since then, they've not only told us they were doing it, but they feel they have to right to shoot us the bird while they're doing it.
Originally posted by overlord
Bush told the public that he has saved American lives with it! 🙂
He's such a hero....
I must admit I am watching this with some interest, at least in a pseudo sociological/psychological sense - the Bush administration has got away with a fair bit by poking the "it's for freedom" or "if we don't do this a TERRORIST will get you" on stage, and I just wonder how large the publics resource of fearful belief is... I mean, is their any chance of Bush brining the public on side by saying "well, if we don't listen to your private conversations and calls without a warrant, then you are in danger"? Some say fear (and hair) won the last election, I just wonder some times how much more it might do, and how much a fearful public is willing to believe...