Originally posted by leonheartmm
nathan, ur forgetting many OTHER things that tell us that nate n cable rent the same. first off, nate WAS engineered, n thas how sinister built the failsafein him.
Nate Grey wasn't built with the failsafe IN him through design. In X-Man -1 after he manifested his powers in a manner that was contrary to Sinister's wishes he later " added " it to make sure Grey wouldn't attempt to use his powers against him.
secondly nate had the real jean as his mother n not madyline pryor.
Sinister created Madelyne Pryor to be Jean Grey's EXACT duplicate genetically. What does it matter that Jean wasn't Nathan's " exact " mother? He received the same DNA coding from Madelyne as he would have from Jean Grey. She was such a perfect clone that even the Phoenix Force couldn't differentiate and it revived her from an in active state.
third, he is physically NOTHING like cable in stature or height. also their powers are DIFFERENT, nate also had an aging virus withholding his potential just like cable's techno organic one, also as part of his NATURAL mutation cable has class 10 strength, but nate does NOT posess this mutation, he has normal human strength, fact is, nate n cable have DIFFERENT dna's n nate was genetically engineered when cable wasnt.
Yes, he is. Need I remind you of the Askani'son series? Nate Grey looks JUST like Cable did when he was a young man minus the techno-virus. Also in Cable & Deadpool when Cable is reverted back to a youthful state he and X-Man resemble one another. Also in Cable & Deadpool as of now Cable's body is a construct of Sinister's via the House of M. His former body was destroyed during the " Skronn " saga in the X-Force mini and Deadpool went searching for him in the House of M where he found a Baby Cable who was genetically engineered by Sinister. Try and keep up on the comics. So yes, Nathan and Nate are EXACTLY alike. Genetically and otherwise.
nathan, ur obviously a cable fanboy, but this has been discussed many MANY times before. some writer made the stupid mistake of labelling them genetically same ONCE, n that was bull. they DO have similarities, no doubt, but nate never was or ever wud have been 6 feat 7 inches like cable, he was 5 feat 10 if u havent forgotten, their faces WERE similar no doubt, but their physique wasnt, just because they have the same genetic mother does NOT mean that they are same, they are as same as cable and rachel summers, who ALSO have the same genetic parents, what matters is what genes were CHOSEN to form the baby from the parents n thas why they are different. also there is still the matter of cable's natural class 10 physical strength, how does ur brain explain nate NOT having any suprehuman strength like cable's if they are infact the same being?
Originally posted by leonheartmm
nathan, ur obviously a cable fanboy, but this has been discussed many MANY times before. some writer made the stupid mistake of labelling them genetically same ONCE, n that was bull. they DO have similarities, no doubt, but nate never was or ever wud have been 6 feat 7 inches like cable, he was 5 feat 10 if u havent forgotten, their faces WERE similar no doubt, but their physique wasnt, just because they have the same genetic mother does NOT mean that they are same, they are as same as cable and rachel summers, who ALSO have the same genetic parents, what matters is what genes were CHOSEN to form the baby from the parents n thas why they are different. also there is still the matter of cable's natural class 10 physical strength, how does ur brain explain nate NOT having any suprehuman strength like cable's if they are infact the same being?
If you want to ignore the facts of the comics which I offered volume numbers, issue numbers, print dates of and writers, that's fine by me. Not everyone easily accepts the facts. But please, don't attempt to insult and berate me. Name calling is a bit childish.
Thank you.
Originally posted by nathan summers
X-Man vol.1 No.14 April 1996
Cable vol.1 No. 29 May 1996
Cable vol.1 No.30 April 1996
Cable vol. 1 No. 31 May 1996Here is a list of their early encounters. Each one of these issues makes a grueling emphasis on the FACT that both X-Man and Cable are genetically identical. They also state the FACT that their powers are exactly alike aside from the circumstance that Cable, at the time, was infected with the techno-organic virus which impeded the use of his vast telepathic and telekinetic powers.
X-Man – Potentially the most powerful mutant on Earth, young Nate Grey is what Cable could have been in another time, on another world. Genetically identical to Cable, he posses all the same powers – but without the techno-organic virus to inhibit them.
Stryfe: “ How ironic we spring from the same genetic fountain. And you seem as divergent from the source material as I am. Some would say I was a clone. But they would be mistaken. I was twisted and sculpted from birth to let loose my hatred – to bring chaos to this pathetic world – and it is a purpose I relish. “
Stryfe: “ You possess immense psi-energies even beyond your comprehension, young one…but not mine. Soon those energies will be completely siphoned from you and channeled into me. “
Stryfe: “ You have that unmistakable psi-signature…you are also a child of Scott Summers. But you are not Cable. Like me, you are a perverse shade of my accursed foe. “
[ Cable vol.1 No. 63 January 1999. pp. 25 Blood Brother part 2 of 3. ]
Writer; Joe Casey / Pencils; Stephen Platt & Andy Smith / Editor in chief; Bob HarrasThis excerpt is from one of the last encounters between X-Man, Cable AND Stryfe. This is when Marvel presented a preview panel before the issue which gave a semi-detailed account of what happened in the previous issue as well as character bios which informed you who was who and their place in the issue. Notice what the issue says about X-Man? Hm. Below are the final issues in which they all appear. Each stating the same.
X-Man vol. 1 No. 46 January 1999
X-Man vol.1 No. 47 February 1999These are the facts straight from the issues which included BOTH characters. I have provided issue numbers, dates and writers so you can confirm my findings.
Now on topic, Can a God-Like Cable defeat Green Lantern ( Hal Jordan )? I think he has a 50/50 chance. While Silver Surfer was physically indestructable, Hal isn't. He's still mortal and still flesh and blood. That means that any of Nathan's telepathic and telekinetic attacks which work on a sub atomic level would do damage. Not to mention his extensive experience on the battle field. [/B]
I take the term fanboy to be offensive. Forget it. On to the discussion.The comics I mentioned above are all of Nate Grey's key appearences alongside Cable.They all make emphasis on their relationship as I have continually stated. I gave you issue numbers, volume numbers and dates on these issues. How about you READ them and then comment?
On topic: Cable's battle experience, I believe, outweighs and or matches Hal's. Consider that Nathan has been fighting in a war torn future since he was 10. ( adventures of cyclops & phoenix. vol 1. issues#1-4 ) And continued in the clan chosen resistance well after his parents ( red & slym aka scott & jean ) left in issue #4. But that doesn't count out Jordan's skill as a Lantern. He's THE greatest Lantern ever and has battle experience that spans over two decades. Not to mention the experience gained from being Spectre. I still say it's a 50/50 chance.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
nathan im a HUGE nate AND cable fan, n have read anythin that has em in it, dont assume that i havent. all i want u to do is tell me how two genetically IDENTICAL guys have a different hieght n DIFFERENT physical mutation where one is class ten while the other has human strength.
You can give Cable a win or two of ten, but as forum rules, if the GL is working at optimum power levels [so none of that Deathstroke taking him down stuff. It's a good showing for Deathstroke, and may be HIS optimum level, but it's certainly not a GL optimum level fighting capacity] should generally make short work of Cable.
Originally posted by Juntai
You can give Cable a win or two of ten, but as forum rules, if the GL is working at optimum power levels [so none of that Deathstroke taking him down stuff. It's a good showing for Deathstroke, and may be HIS optimum level, but it's certainly not a GL optimum level fighting capacity] should generally make short work of Cable.
Second problem is that Cable has never reached his True optimum level.
If this fight was to be taken into the Astral plane/realm
Were cable doesn’t have to draw power from it its simply their
And were his body don’t play a factor of him using his true potential.
Then Cable would live up to the one who could extinguish a Star.
Originally posted by id369However he is portayed commonly, but not overlypowered or overly weak, is his optimum level as it has been written. If you didn't feel he lived up to what YOU felt he could, holds little bearing on the character.
Second problem is that Cable has never reached his True optimum level.If this fight was to be taken into the Astral plane/realm
Were cable doesn’t have to draw power from it its simply their
And were his body don’t play a factor of him using his true potential.Then Cable would live up to the one who could extinguish a Star.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
nathan im a HUGE nate AND cable fan, n have read anythin that has em in it, dont assume that i havent. all i want u to do is tell me how two genetically IDENTICAL guys have a different hieght n DIFFERENT physical mutation where one is class ten while the other has human strength.
If you're a huge fan of both Nathan and Nate then you'd know everything I'm telling you was fact and not just an opinion. All of their comics appearences have stated that their powers were identical and their genetics were identical aside from; The Techno-Organic virus which blocked Nathan's powers and the circumstances of their development.
When X-Man was created he was made to be a younger version of what Cable could have been had he not been given the techno-virus. When Cable was X-Man's age ( Read Askani'son vol. 1 #1-4 ) he was physically identical to Nate Grey aside from the obvious markings of the virus. Remember, Nathan is in his mid-fifties currently while X-Man was in his early twenties. By all account if X-Man was ever permitted to live a longer life he would have eventually looked like Cable once he reached his mid-fifties.
Speculation on this was revealed during the " Twelve " Saga ( X-Men vol.2 #98 Alan Davis & Terry Kavanagh. ) In this issue the Apocalypse warped reality and Sunfire approached a man he believed to be Cable who later corrected him and identified himself as " Nate Grey ". Also, the older version of X-Man commented on how he and Nathan " shared all the same genes an' all. " Not to mention his appearence was identical to Cable's. Most Marvel writers follow the consensus that Nathan Summers and Nate Grey are genetically identical as well as identical in potential power.
http://uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=709
Now as far as their strength differences. Cable grew up in a war-torn era in which he was in constant battle. This forced him, since he didn't have the full range of his powers, to develop himself physically. Also, the added feature of the techno-virus alloted Nathan an enhanced degree of strength. Remeber, half his body is entirely composed of living techno-organic machinery. The majority of his strength though has always been attributed to his bionic limbs. Not unlike the Phalanx.
Any other questions? 😉
