Well my only real knowledge of Sion is from the KOTOR2 game, I have no idea if he has appeared in any other forms of EU, but in that you basically cannot beat him physically, everytime you strike him down he gets back up (and its not even that hard to knock him down), instead you use persuasion techniques and make him question his beliefs until he basically gives up. Which to me seems right up Yoda's street, like when he absorbed Dooku's lightning like it was nothing and told him he had much to learn, he'd just keep doing and saying things along those lines, messing with Sion's head with persuasion powers, and telling him his faith in the Darkside is misplaced and he'd just give up. It might not be quite that easy, but Yoda would win, he has to much experience, wisdom and power.
You'll have to correct me if I'm wrong as I haven't played KOTOR2 in a while, but I don't recall it being said that only the Exile, Kreia, and Revan were the only ones who could defeat him. I also don't believe the only way to break Sion's will was through Kreia, it seemed to me to be more about making him question his devotion to the Darkside, and his own power, I'll have to go through it again to remember the exact dialogue from the fight (unless someone knows it off by heart and wants to post it here).
Regardless, I don't see Yoda losing. Sion wasn't a difficult opponent to beat in the game, as soon as you realise what kind of things you need to say its simple, I don't think I ever lost to him in any encounter.
Originally posted by Wally West
You'll have to correct me if I'm wrong as I haven't played KOTOR2 in a while, but I don't recall it being said that only the Exile, Kreia, and Revan were the only ones who could defeat him. I also don't believe the only way to break Sion's will was through Kreia, it seemed to me to be more about making him question his devotion to the Darkside, and his own power, I'll have to go through it again to remember the exact dialogue from the fight (unless someone knows it off by heart and wants to post it here).Regardless, I don't see Yoda losing. Sion wasn't a difficult opponent to beat in the game, as soon as you realise what kind of things you need to say its simple, I don't think I ever lost to him in any encounter.
You are wrong 😛
Throughout the entire time you are takling to him, you are talking about how Kreia loves you more and how he is nothing. Sion loses because of that and because he realises it is true.
Seeing as his entire will to live depends on what Kreia thinks its kinda obvious that she could also destroy his will. And if you have listened to Kreia when she spoke about Revan and the hatred in Sion his voice when he spoke about her first... Well its obvious that Revan could do the same. Others have nothing on Sion, he has no reason to live except for Kreia... Strange as it might be. If you have nothing on Kreia you have nothing on Sion and therefor you can not destroy his will.
Yoda beating him however is still very possible if you ask me.
Originally posted by FishyI guess we are interpreting things a little differently. Like you point you you're making him believe he is nothing and not as powerful as he believes, you do that by talking about how Kreia has chosen you but I think the principal remains that you are making him question himself, I think Sion can be defeated in a similar way even without knowledge of Kreia. You have to make him question his power which erodes his will, and I think Yoda could do that. But, to each their own, I don't think Sion is invincible to all but the 3 you mention, we'll just have to disagree 😮💨
Throughout the entire time you are takling to him, you are talking about how Kreia loves you more and how he is nothing. Sion loses because of that and because he realises it is true.
I doubt Yoda would break his will.
He lost because of what Fishy said, Kreia. You can't just simply say "Sion, your life is shit, why don't you give up and the pain will be over". He gave up because he had no reason to live anymore and there is no way Yoda could exploit that.
Also, Sion is a very good swordsman and also strong with the force and force powers. Even though Yoda is stronger in both he will have some difficult with deflecting the force powers and then getting some hits on him. And I don't think he will realise directly when he hits him the first time that he is nearly invincible, but instead keep fighting. Yoda can't hold on forever.
The only way Yoda could win is by knocking him out but I can't see that happend really.
Yoda is about several hundred times stronger than Sion with a talent for CRUSHING evil people's wills. Ever read Dark Rendevous?
Yoda takes this. One little glimpse into Sion using the force, a few choice words and Sion crumpling to the floor. Yoda's much brighter than the Exile, much more eloquent and much stronger....either that, or Sion'd be sliced into several dozen pieces
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yoda is about several hundred times stronger than Sion with a talent for CRUSHING evil people's wills. Ever read Dark Rendevous?Yoda takes this. One little glimpse into Sion using the force, a few choice words and Sion crumpling to the floor. Yoda's much brighter than the Exile, much more eloquent and much stronger....either that, or Sion'd be sliced into several dozen pieces
I surely hope this is a joke.
Everyone acts like Sion has an easily bruised ego. Nonsense. Now, stop blowing smoke up everyone's collective ass with this Yoda pwnz teh noobs crap.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yoda is about several hundred times stronger than Sion with a talent for CRUSHING evil people's wills. Ever read Dark Rendevous?Yoda takes this. One little glimpse into Sion using the force, a few choice words and Sion crumpling to the floor. Yoda's much brighter than the Exile, much more eloquent and much stronger....either that, or Sion'd be sliced into several dozen pieces
"Sliced up into several dozen pieces." !?
WTF?
Sion in invincible.
I half agree with Lightsnake on this one. I don't think that Yoda would stand a chance of breaking Sion's will, if only because he has no prior relationship with him. However, he is more than Sion's equal in lightsaber or force abilities. So it all comes down to how much dmg can Sion take. If he is cut up into numerous separated pieces, can he pull himself back together? I just don't know.
Originally posted by Pwned61
I half agree with Lightsnake on this one. I don't think that Yoda would stand a chance of breaking Sion's will, if only because he has no prior relationship with him. However, he is more than Sion's equal in lightsaber or force abilities. So it all comes down to how much dmg can Sion take. If he is cut up into numerous separated pieces, can he pull himself back together? I just don't know.
A fair enough answer. As it stands, we don't know enough. It seems implied that he can take a great deal of damage and still keep kicking, but it's unproven.
Just don't associate yourself too much with Lightsnake; he's the biggest fanboy I have ever seen.
I do know you lightsnake, I know you're very knowlegable, very methodic, and I know you can be really cool. Alas, I also know you can get a little carried away. All I'm asking is that you pull it back a bit. Flame only after being flamed upon, just remember that winning a debate is fun, but winning with a smile on your face is even better.