Sidious - The Debate

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Originally posted by Lightsnake
1. Could Nihilius control it or was it a necessity to him? Sidious has done it several times as well and he sucked pure darkside power from Byss and 6 billion people on it...Katarr was a small outer world colony for the Miraluka. Sidious is known to have genocided the rest of them.

There were thousands of Jedi on Katarr though. Also note that Nihilus was able to drain the hundreds of people who ran his ship.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
2. Please Drop that Nadd point. You know how Nadd conquered a planet? He used his dark side powers to scare the natives and drive away the Onderonian beasts and they hailed him as a savior from the stars. Stated and confirmed. He didn't have to kill a single man to rule Iziz. In SW empire, Sidious faces down a small army of stormtroopers and gets bored after his men fail to stop them. He proceeds to roast them alive with a blast of force lightning and then pours himself a drink. At the time of endor, Palpatine was focusing entirely on Luke. He could definitely use it to help his men when he wanted....and IF he wanted. He never considered any battles big threats so it was rare.

If he was as powerful as you say, then he should have been able to crush Luke or rip Vader in half in an instant. He should had pulled Vader down the shaft with him or stopped his fall and come bacak up.

Also, as a spirit, Nadd was much more powerful then Sidious.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
3. At the time of Empire's End, Sidious is stuck in a dying clone body thanks to the combined power of the sKywalkers, the Force, some treachery and the tampering with his last clone (While he was returning, all but one clone was slaughtered....the last remaining one was faulty) Sidious's mind and body were eroding thanks to the tampering...he couldn't even get angry or use the force lest he speed up the process. He was at the end of his rope and time was a luzury he didn't have. He went to the Ancient Sith to ask them to commune with the Dark Side and give him the last piece of the puzzle he was missing.

No, he asked them for help and they told him what to do. They thought of everything.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
In the time it'd have taken Sidious to reach out to THOUSANDS of pods-all at one point? Yoda COULD dodge that probably- Yoda could finish him...plus, Sidious had the higher ground and his overconfidence is his worst point. As I said, Yoda could take the time to toss his saber, or force push him or do any one of a dozen things.

Sidious could have grabbed a hundred pods and tossed them at Yoda while stopping Yoda's lightsaber from hitting him if he is as powerful as you say. Yoda was on par with Sidious in PT, yet Yoda didn't blast hundreds of droids with every wave of his hand on Geonosis, yet he had reason to.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Another Sidious feat: Instantly imbuing two men with dark side powers. Even Luke admitted they were very adept Dark Jedi.

Look at what Jerec and Desann did and you will see that isn't very impressive.

I wanna ask what is the problem with Sidious being powerful even though proof he is, Maybe he didnt use his power since i only pay attention to game and Movies. I out of all the characters INCLUDING KotOR series REVAN was awesome but he made what I think the best push in a force using the STAR FORGE and Malak took that away, and Revan still comes back and what happens he goes and searches for the enemy the DS and is currently probaly kicking ass somewhere in SITH space but thats just the thing I and others dont know yet. So back to topic continue your debate and I'll keep a posting

1. And we know very little of Nihilius regardless. KAtarr remained a tiny colony world anyways.

2. Sidious only had destiny on his side, 1 and 2: he was caught completely off guard as he was focused on making Luke suffer. the ROTJ novelization covers this point. And don't give me that Nadd was stronger as a spirit, Nadd was a pathetic weakling as a spirit, he even admitted he was a weakling compared to a Sith. The only things he did was take Ommin's soul-when Ommin was dead, lure Kun to the Dark Side-not a difficult task- then totally screw up and get himself killed. Don't try to claim Nadd was stronger than a Sith because he himself says he wouldn't stand a chance against the Sith. It's worth noting that Ludo Kressh couldn't stop a kamikaze ship and died screaming and pleading for Naga to call it off. Want to hear Exar Kun's numerous screw ups? Or Ulic-Qel Droma's?

3. They didn't 'Tell' him what to do, they reached into the Dark Side and told him of Anakin Solo who he didn't even know EXISTED to that point.

4. Yes, Yoda had just arrived and was focused on getting to Dooku. And stop using what they 'don't do' in the movies because what they do in EU explains a lot of their power, not to mention quotes that explicitly call them the strongest ever. Like I said, Sidious was overconfident and to reach out and get every last one would take time and effort he didn't have

5. Jerec and Desann were never trained at Palpatine's beck and call, I'm talking about his Dark Side elite.

It's worth noting anything Revan could do is via hearsay and gameplay and for all we know he's screaming in some Sith dungeon.

It's also worth noting it's the EU that blows the force completely out of proportion while Lucas sticks to more reasonable feats and the man is untouched by logic.

Now come on LightSnake i kno your for Sidious.. I think but please dont put down Revan he is powerful both in LS and DS so dont be someone who puts down REVAN cause its a game cause it had to start somewhere and thats what your doing to a certain extent. Get off Revan's back just cause I tried to make a point--Thank You

Originally posted by Lightsnake
It's worth noting anything Revan could do is via hearsay and gameplay and for all we know he's screaming in some Sith dungeon.

He may be powerful, but if he could do half the things people say he could, he could wipe out the Empire, the Legion of Doom, S.P.E.C.T.R.E, Akatsuki, the Juppon Gatana, the Yagyu and the Zhentarim without breaking a sweat, all at once.

He's a decent character, but IMO, far overhyped

Exactly. Revan could be a weak fighter and healer as easily as he could be a savage warrior....canonically, he's a lightsider

Yea but its said In the game that he was at the frontlines and a great fighter so point proven

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Exactly. Revan could be a weak fighter and healer as easily as he could be a savage warrior....canonically, he's a lightsider

'Great fighter' doesn't translate to 'Super Godly Jedi'...Jango Fett was a great fighter....why didn't he duck?

Oh, that's very true, Rikyl....if he'd gone to his best, Vader'd be ahead of....everyone by leaps and bounds. As was he made second best

I'll give Revan this: He's hardly as overhyped as Naga Sadow-Dark Lord for a DAY and he gets the Empire exterminated! Or Exar Kun....who had the impact of a pinprick on a chunk of gold...the men hardly demonostrated power, was a complete, inept coward and messed up his own suicide...

I'm saying more than Revan being a great fighter maybe a master at what he did Jango didn't duck cause he got to high of himself and most likely he would of been screwed otherwise

For THAT matter....f Mace was such a good fighter, why pull his damn arm back to kill Sidious? Just poke him in the head!
I've never said Revan wasn't powerful, but when people start claiming he could come close to NJO Luke, Yoda or Sidious? I could almost understand Vader but the big three?

Wait, add Bane to that overrated list...The only people he kills are children...I'm serious, he's always killing children.