Sidious - The Debate

He never fought Atris, that was just in a promo art.

PRobably human

The reason I brought it up was Visas's line in the comic: After Katar is devoured, Nihilius is seen standing above Visas. Visas says 'Those who have fought and escaped him are few and carry deep scars.'

Originally posted by Lightsnake
The reason I brought it up was Visas's line in the comic: After Katar is devoured, Nihilius is seen standing above Visas. Visas says 'Those who have fought and escaped him are few and carry deep scars.'

It's possible that he cannot devour everyone. Some people may be "immune" to it. Others could be "wounds" in the force.

Nihilus does seem to be able to refine it though, enough to be able to spare Visas' life. She may be refering to people he has let live, for some reason or other.

It's hard to know. Visas herself can't shed light on it. Could be he felt a bond to her.

I give him a break on how easily he went down....as trying to drain the Exile must've been a horrific strain on him. As for Sion....Sion was a bit of a dolt at times...even though the Exile exploited one weakness, it's difficult to say if others couldn't exploit it. If he took on Sidious or Yoda for example...Yoda can break peoples' minds down like noone's business...hell, in Dark Rendevous he broke down some of Dooku's belief on the dark Side and let Dooku see Yoda as a Sith Lord

Only Kreia or the Exile could make Sion die. Sion is only convinced to die if you tell him about how you are Kreia's favourite, not him. Basically, he is like an attention seeking child trying to make his parent (kreia) proud of him.

If his faith in his existence or the Darkside is eroded, that'd help. Kreia was his weakness, but hardly the only one...otherwise Kreia would have dispatched him when they first met.

Plus, Sion's invincibility seemed to be applicable to gameplay alone....ordinary people would fall to the floor in pieces after a master flurry

Originally posted by Lightsnake
If his faith in his existence or the Darkside is eroded, that'd help. Kreia was his weakness, but hardly the only one...otherwise Kreia would have dispatched him when they first met.

Plus, Sion's invincibility seemed to be applicable to gameplay alone....ordinary people would fall to the floor in pieces after a master flurry

True, althought KotOR is a game after all. It would be no fun if you died when somebody flurried you.

I have a though. Assume for a moment, if you will, that Marka Ragnos is more powerful than DE Sidious. Can DE Sidious use his wormhole ability on a person more powerful than him? If so, Sidious can obliterate pretty much anyone he crosses, if not, he will die.

Force storms are tricky businesses at any rate....and we never saw Ragnos in action. The closest we come is his spirit looking foreboding. And using a wormhole/Force storm at close range is abject suicide....

My point was, Sion's invincibility seemed more gameplay than story

I suppose.

But my point about the wormhole ability is, can someone who is more powerful than him resist it? Or will they die anyway?

As a force storm's a raging hole of raw energy....it'd be interesting to see. If the more powerful person couldn't turn it on Palp or dispell it, he'd probably die....it took both Skywalkers to divert it on Palp, though...

Originally posted by Lightsnake
As a force storm's a raging hole of raw energy....it'd be interesting to see. If the more powerful person couldn't turn it on Palp or dispell it, he'd probably die....it took both Skywalkers to divert it on Palp, though...

If a more powerful person could dispel it, then Palpatine is screwed. But if Palpatine is able to fry everyone and anyone with it, he is the most powerful.

Only problem is, the preparation time. Someone could kill him whilst he was preparing to use it.

That's a BIG if though....Of course, since he'd be logically using this ability from a safe distance...

Can Palpatine freeze the entire senate?

I'm not sure why he'd need to....he can certainly hide himself from the Jedi for decades, though.

And that is possibly the only powerful thing Exar Kun ever did on his own.

But could he? Exar Kun pretty much waltzed into the heart of the republic, froze the senate and wasted the grandmaster of the order.

My conclusions so far to this thread are that the Sidious knowing all lightsaber styles thing is indeed canon as Gillard had complete control about making up the style of Sidious and it even makes sense after seeing the movie with a seemingly shifting style of fighting and also that nothing indicates that it is untrue.
Of course this would never mean that Sidious would win by default.

The argument that movie Sidious is equal to DE Sidious is also plausible because he had to have learned the stuff portrayed in the comics at one time in his life. The thing with books and comics is just that it exagurates.
But then there is always the discussion of younger ones being stronger.

And the whole discussion with comparing Sidious to the ancient sith is one of great speculation and biased reasoning again, at both parties IMO.
I won't be judging that but it seems to me that there is more logical reasoning going for the other ubers, no matter what vague evidence there is.
But because of biased discussing; the facts will probably be molded and turned around just to suit a favored opinion.

It's unknown one way or the other as he'd never NEED to.

And Vodo was probably as strong as Thon and Arca. and his emotional detail in the match was working against him. He was fighting to subdue. Kun was trying to kill. And Vodo was damn fatalistic in that fight, too.

And like I said...I fail to see the supposedly incredible power inherent in the ancients....let alone the competence

Originally posted by Lightsnake
It's unknown one way or the other as he'd never NEED to.

And Vodo was probably as strong as Thon and Arca. and his emotional detail in the match was working against him. He was fighting to subdue. Kun was trying to kill. And Vodo was damn fatalistic in that fight, too.

That's a lot of speculation there. But he was powerful enough in the force to make his walking stick resistant to a lightsabre.