Thanks for reading. I thought this would be a great chance to get to meet this character deeply. I believe Sidious is not the most powerful sith like his mentor was but the wisest. He used the dark side as no sith had before. He calculated time and probabilities borrowing elements from the jedi themselves.
Originally posted by redcaped
Thanks for reading. I thought this would be a great chance to get to meet this character deeply. I believe Sidious is not the most powerful sith like his mentor was but the wisest. He used the dark side as no sith had before. He calculated time and probabilities borrowing elements from the jedi themselves.
Why would Darth Plageus be the most powerful? Substantiate.
What do you mean by use the darkside as no Sith before? Substantiate.
He calculated time and probabilities borrowing elements for the jedi themselves? And? He was a master planner and was very cunning, yes. What do you mean by "borrowing elements from the jedi themselves"?
Thank you for posting in a civil manner though, that's better than plenty of Sidious supporters though.
Originally posted by redcapedWhat a warped message.. Please elaborate if you actually have something to contribute. 😕
Thanks for reading. I thought this would be a great chance to get to meet this character deeply. I believe Sidious is not the most powerful sith like his mentor was but the wisest. He used the dark side as no sith had before. He calculated time and probabilities borrowing elements from the jedi themselves.
The trick here is "to follow" and that is what he was doing all the time. He waited for incidents to occur then create his own way and made everything interact with it. So yes, that's his master plan. No sith had ever been so close to the jedi. I never knew Sidious as a lier when he said his mentor was able to create life and that's power you can't buy. no no and no.
Originally posted by redcaped
The trick here is "to follow" and that is what he was doing all the time. He waited for incidents to occur then create his own way and made everything interact with it. So yes, that's his master plan. No sith had ever been so close to the jedi. I never knew Sidious as a lier when he said his mentor was able to create life and that's power you can't buy. no no and no.
No Sith had ever been so close to Jedi? What do you mean by that???
Creat life? It may well be that Plageus could create life but do nothing else. Even then, it is never actually confirmed that a) Plageus was Palpatine's master and b) That Palpatine was telling the truth about Plaegus.
Databank sez:
Sidious was apprentice to Darth Plagueis, a wise Sith Lord whose knowledge of arcane and unnatural arts was reputed to extend to manipulating the very essence of life. By Sith tradition, Sidious killed Plagueis in his ascent to Master from apprentice.
Anyway.. I don't even see the point that redcaped is trying to make.
If he's insinuating that every little thing that happened was planned by Sidious then he's awefully mistaken.
You can theorise as far as you want with the force but I think it was clear that Sidious also was very lucky on occasions and that he clearly couldn't predict everything.
Destroying a fleet, sucking the enrgy and life out of entire systems, being able to possess others, including Skywalkers, devastating an army with Force lightning, rumored to be proficient in battle meditation, even the Ancients' spirits aquiesce to his will....And the thing with him and Yoda that it was the pinnacle of the Sith facing with the pinnacle of the Jedi, and then more than that: the greatest warrior the dark had produced vs. the greatest soldier the light had created, winner take all.
And it IS confirmed Plageuis could do what Sidious said he could...and Plageuis had learned the secrets of manipulating the force to make life, but as for stopping people from dying...that was probably a lie
And by the way, Lucas himself confirmed that Sidious faked that little lightning scene. He was lying through his teeth about being 'weak.' Last I checked, he obliterated three of those Jedi masters with comical ease and when he really wanted to, killed Mace showing much more power than he had previously, Mace being no pushover whatsoever, read Shatterpoint.
And nope, sorry, DE Sidious is never different than OT Sidious. Sidious is called the Strongest warrior the Darkside ever produced in relation to Episode 3 in the TOTJ companion, the ROTS novelization and int he chronology.
Jolly answered your points, Traya: Sidious's main flaw is overconfidence...and no matter how strong you are in the force, Samuel L. Jackson kicking you in the face will take you down when you try a lightsaber duel...of course, given as he fell at the EXACT minute Anakin came in, went into a duel he'd be at a disadvantage against....And when he killed Plageuis, he was obviously younger and not as powerful.
And to snatch ALL the pods would take a few moments of concentration....which is all Yoda'd need to put a lightsaber through his heart. There's a bit of PRUDENCE to be taken here as well.
And you want some OT Sidious feats? I'd be glad to list them.
Destroying a fleet, sucking the enrgy and life out of entire systems, being able to possess others, including Skywalkers
Now, now. The destroying fleets thing I conceed, I cannot find another individual who has done that, but as far as I can recall, it was one fleet.
The sucking the energy and life out of systems? No, he didn't do it to systems, he did it to Byss, but then again, Nihilus was able to do the same thing.
devastating an army with Force lightning, rumored to be proficient in battle meditation, even the Ancients' spirits aquiesce to his will
Devastating armies? Freddon Nadd did that, he conquered an entire planet with a short lightsabre and a blaster pistol. But where did it say that Sidious did that to an army, my memory is a little hazy, sorry. He was proficient in subconscious battle meditation, indeed his death contributed slightly to the imperial fleet at Endor. He didn't intend to use it, but he did so sunconsciously. The ancient spirit thing is a bit off. If he was so powerful, why did he need the help from ancient sith?
the thing with him and Yoda that it was the pinnacle of the Sith facing with the pinnacle of the Jedi, and then more than that: the greatest warrior the dark had produced vs. the greatest soldier the light had created, winner take all.
But if Sidious was so powerful, then why didn't he just toss all the pods in the senate at Yoda? It would have been no mean feat, but he should have been able to accomplish it.
And it IS confirmed Plageuis could do what Sidious said he could...and Plageuis had learned the secrets of manipulating the force to make life, but as for stopping people from dying...that was probably a lie
Then I will take your word for it.
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Thank you for your insight though.
1. Could Nihilius control it or was it a necessity to him? Sidious has done it several times as well and he sucked pure darkside power from Byss and 6 billion people on it...Katarr was a small outer world colony for the Miraluka. Sidious is known to have genocided the rest of them.
2. Please Drop that Nadd point. You know how Nadd conquered a planet? He used his dark side powers to scare the natives and drive away the Onderonian beasts and they hailed him as a savior from the stars. Stated and confirmed. He didn't have to kill a single man to rule Iziz. In SW empire, Sidious faces down a small army of stormtroopers and gets bored after his men fail to stop them. He proceeds to roast them alive with a blast of force lightning and then pours himself a drink. At the time of endor, Palpatine was focusing entirely on Luke. He could definitely use it to help his men when he wanted....and IF he wanted. He never considered any battles big threats so it was rare.
3. At the time of Empire's End, Sidious is stuck in a dying clone body thanks to the combined power of the sKywalkers, the Force, some treachery and the tampering with his last clone (While he was returning, all but one clone was slaughtered....the last remaining one was faulty) Sidious's mind and body were eroding thanks to the tampering...he couldn't even get angry or use the force lest he speed up the process. He was at the end of his rope and time was a luzury he didn't have. He went to the Ancient Sith to ask them to commune with the Dark Side and give him the last piece of the puzzle he was missing.
In the time it'd have taken Sidious to reach out to THOUSANDS of pods-all at one point? Yoda COULD dodge that probably- Yoda could finish him...plus, Sidious had the higher ground and his overconfidence is his worst point. As I said, Yoda could take the time to toss his saber, or force push him or do any one of a dozen things.
Another Sidious feat: Instantly imbuing two men with dark side powers. Even Luke admitted they were very adept Dark Jedi.
The power that Sidious has is "patience" the power to overcome fear or other emotions that constantly stop us from completing what we want. Did he give up in episode 1? No, he kept going with thirst and that is a warrior. I respect George Lucas but he is a person like you and me after all. I demand another special edition but that's his decision as well as mine. If he doesn't correct the inferior quality from IV-V-VI i will simply get rid of them all and keep only episode 3. Rules rule. I am happy to express my thoughts to you, this is my gift.
Kreia also described Sion and Traya as threats to the universe to that effect. Sidious is also described as a threat to the Force itself at one point...the issue is, we're never given enough info on Nihilius to make judgements one way or the other. If he did fight Atris though, then it could be that his hunger isn't some magical ability to kill whatever's in his path effortlessly