Sidious - The Debate

Originally posted by Lightsnake
2. Proof he couldn't have done that. He certainly does some of it in the prequel era and talks a bit about his power to Vader in Dark Lord...he also manages to mask himself from the entire Jedi order...

LOL. You have to proof that he could have done that. He hasn't done something like that and therefor I can say he couldn't. Your proof that he could have is where ? Yeah. Thanks.

3. What was your point here exactly? Yeah, CW is overpowered, we know that.

Ah. The CW is "overpowered" but the DE comics are not ? Both are approved by Lucas. Lucas enjoyed both very much. If you want to argue that the CW cartoons are overpowered I'll say Sidious in the DE comics is too.

4. As opposed to 'Sidious never showed he could do it in the movies, so he can't'?

The point is you have no proof that he can. So you better keep you mouth shut.

5. Considering Obi-wan never met Sidious....haven't read the novel much have you?

I meant Grievous...meh...

6. Proof he became stronger. Offer some logic, some proof, some ANYTHING. Even if he is, then we';d be comparing Sidious at his peak to the others, which grants him the automatic win...otherwise, in the spirit of fairness it'd be ROTS Sidious vs. Kun after Nadd's little makeover. Or Sadow after sleep on Yavin 4...or old and dying Ragnos...of course since I've seen no evidence to the affirmative of this point...

LOL.
He had 30 years to develop his powers further. He gathered knowledge after the PT (Jedi temple) he gathered artifacts and more knowledge (DE comics) and you want to say that he didn't become stronger ?

ROTS Sidious judged by the power he has shown (meaning those we have evidence for and not those you simply estimate because of the powers DE Sidious had) would get curbstomped by the Ancient Sith Lords...

SLJackson is a great actor and he made that moment real enough.

3. The power to save people from dying. He never said anything about influencing Midichlorians. And Luke has holocrons on Yavin, yep. Two of them, one of them being Vodo's...you base the idea that one exists on what exactly?

So he had less power than his former master but he's still the most powerful Sith Lord ever even at this point ? Aha...

And two holocrons. Yeah. Right. That's why there is only one mentioned in the entire sources and this is getting destroyed later on and suddenly there is none left. 2 - 1 = 0 seems to be bad maths.

4. You mean a basic Sith Spell to freeze a group of weak minded nobodies?

So "basic" Sith magic that nobody could reproduce it later ? A "group" = millions of Senaters ? "weak minded" = other Jedi ?

The Jedi there certainly weren't frozen whatsoever.

Ah. That's why they just watched as Kun slaughtered the Chancelor and Vodo...

And Ragnos ruling a bunch of idiot beauracrat Sith doesn't impress me much. KAAN led an empire of Sith and he was a weak fool. What'd Ragnos ever really do?

Jup. Idiot beauracrat Sith like Sadow and Kressh...

I'm sure someone who can hide himself from an entire order of Jedi when standing next to Yoda is weak.

No. Somebody who can do that is exactly as powerful as Kun except the fact that Kun did hide himself from a planet filled with Jedi and managed to command them arround when he had murdered one of them nearly before their eyes. 😉

Waaaait, you mean not knowing soem bit of knowledge or a certain technique disqualifies him? Especially as he killed Plageuis when he was younger? Or he was just making up the idea that Plageuis saved people from dying?

AndSidious, during the OT era, drained all the million of Alderaanian refugees on Byss. And cloaked himself from the Jedi for decades....Hmmm...

IF De's overpowered, so are your precious Tales of the JEdi, thus taking your Ancient Sith down JUST a tad, hm?

He never fought through 'ten thousand' battle droids...at least not without the help of thousands of Clones...and there's the detail he and Grievous entered into single combat.

Wow, do you know more than the authors and writers? Because they never hint at such a power difference or knowledge gathering...could it be you're making stuff up? What did your precious 'Ancient Sith' ever do? Absolutely nothing Palpatine couldn't. They looked threatening, used some technology and lost horribly within two hours. And about 90 percent of their army was made up of illusions. Scary.

I'm sure there were only two holocrons in the entire galaxy...

Why would any of the Sith have to or want to reproduce what Kun did? Not a single one of them ever encountered an unwilling Senate...and millions of senators? thousands at best. That OR cloaking one self from thousands of Jedi for decades....And since the Jedi were moving and yelling at Kun before he fought Vodo...who was fighting to subdue, not kill.

You think Sadow or Kressh were impressive at all? They were weak minded fools who got their empire destroyed within two days. Sadow did nothing without technology and Kressh? Yes, FEAR the Sith who returns only to die thanks to a random kamikaze ship seconds later! What did Sadow or KRessh ever do to be considered even among the top twenty?

Pffft, you've never read Tales of the Jedi. There were...four Jedi on Coruscant at the time. In one place. Besides Vodo, none of the Jedi except Sylvar even knew what Kun LOOKED like. They just thought he was another Jedi. Murdered Vodo? That's why Vodo was whipping him around in the fight until he decided he could pull an Obi-wan Kenobi? They were at a standstill until Vodo dropped the force protection on his saber. And hid himself? Kun never did anything of the sort, unless by 'hiding' you mean 'cowardly cringing away from a war he started and screaming and sobbing like a baby when death came a knocking'...and screwing up his own suicide and...I quote "Ulic, please help me! IT's dark....I'm trapped! ULIC! DON'T LEAVE ME HERE! UUUULIIIIIC! ....Ulic....?"

Point out when he hid himself from an entire planet, let alone froze a single Jedi. In fact, Sylvar and Nomi were SLAUGHTERING his Massassi before he even laid eyes on Vodo

According to Lucas, Palpatine can hide his presence from the Jedi in the PT era because the force is more attuned with the darkside. The force reverts back to being more attuned with the lightside in the OT, hence why Palpatine cannot sense Luke on Endor.

If the man is unbalancing the force and clouding the Jedi at that point...It's highly unlikely the Force just decided to hula hoop back and forth

Originally posted by Lightsnake
You think Sadow or Kressh were impressive at all? They were weak minded fools who got their empire destroyed within two days. Sadow did nothing without technology and Kressh? Yes, FEAR the Sith who returns only to die thanks to a random kamikaze ship seconds later! What did Sadow or KRessh ever do to be considered even among the top twenty?

Rip the core from a star and throw it at over 900 kph with ease, destroy a sword that could withstand lightsaber hits with his bare hands, demonstrate the ability to project images into millions of enemy troops, ect.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Point out when he hid himself from an entire planet, let alone froze a single Jedi. In fact, Sylvar and Nomi were SLAUGHTERING his Massassi before he even laid eyes on Vodo

When he was on the Jedi capital Ossus he was able to hide himself and still use the darkside. He froze many of them in the Senate Chamber before he killed Vodo.

Creating illusions is hardly that impressive. Aleema did it and she was hardly Madam Powerful.

He 'ripped the core' from a star using electrical weaponry on his ship. And Ulic, in his weak, sith toxined stag breaks one of those Sith Swords as well.

He was on CORUSCANT, not Ossus. There were FOUR JEDI THERE, FOUR! Sylvar, Vodo, Nomi and Cay, and they were all killing Kun's Massassi! He never 'Hid' himself, that's never even hinted at

Originally posted by Lightsnake
If the man is unbalancing the force and clouding the Jedi at that point...It's highly unlikely the Force just decided to hula hoop back and forth

Well, Lucas did say it, which makes it the highest form of canon.

Indeed. However, there's a reason why the Force is leaning towards dark/light.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Would you buy it if J.R.R Tolkien had said Frodo is more powerful than Gandalf or Sauron ? Yes ? Why ? Because the creator of a world doesn't need any explanations for the things happening in his world ?

First:
An author should be able to express his intention through his work. Anderson made his Sith Lords obviously more powerful than Sidious - at least the Sidious we have seen in the films. Period. Lucas gave his approval to that Sith Lords. Period. So either they were both working against their own intention (huh ?) or they did never think about Sidious as he appears in the movies as being the "most powerful ever".

Second:
There are different methods of analysing fiction than the "Literary" method. In this case the Literary method is not even the best. I could go and argue semantics back and forth by just saying "What does 'powerful' mean ? Force power ? Fighting power ? Amount of influence in the universe ?" You don't have the answer ? OK: Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord ever (greatest amount of influence in the universe) while Ragnos is the most powerful Sith Lord ever (greatest amount of force powers) while Revan is the most powerful Sith Lord ever (greatest military ability)...and so on and so on...

Third:
The point is that Lightsnake simply assumes that there has been [b]no chance in Palpatine's / Sidious' power level, force knowledge and so on in 3 decades (from ROTS to DE) despite the fact that he archieved new knowledge and trained a bunch of force users.
He simply uses statements on DE Sidious to make ROTS Sidious seem more powerful. And that - as I said - is on the same level as saying that NJO Luke = ROTJ Luke. Comments from Anderson or Lucas won't change anything. It might be their intention that Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord ever but he has reached his "peak" in DE and not before. [/B]

1) Powerful is a word wich can be percieved in many ways in the realm of SW. It may sound incredibly strange to you that the writer would say that these sithlords are still weaker than Sidious but show so much more exagurated stuff. But this display of power and all aspects of it can be dicussed as our new member has already done.
But I see no clear reason to why Sidious wouldn't be able to slay them in battle if they claim that. You can speculate and twist and turn everything to your favor but I still haven't read why I should go against their intention just because the movies don't show over the top techniques.

2) You assume they were talking political might? I think it's more logical to assume that they mean in battle. Who cares about dumb stuff like force storms and creating black holes?

3) You compare the DE = movie Sidious statement to a ridiculous statement like NJO = movie Luke?
That is pretty useless as Luke actually still had to grow in knowledge and experience on all levels of the way of the force and (more importantly) dueling.
Whereas Sidious was already a master of the dark side skills and dueling styles when the PT began. Really.. The argument to DE Sidious still having the same experience and knowledge isn't as far fetched as you make it out to be.
That statement of Lightsnake is pretty damn plausible and your exagurated comparison will only be laughed at.

I know that Lightsnake is a bit too biased to Sidious but at least his points make sense. You have to try much harder to convince him that he's wrong as this was terrible.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Creating illusions is hardly that impressive. Aleema did it and she was hardly Madam Powerful.

Naga did it on a much larger scale. Saying that because Aleema doing it makes it unimpressive is like me saying that some youngling new how to use a lightsaber, so Sidious has crappy saber skills since that youngling isn't powerful.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
He 'ripped the core' from a star using electrical weaponry on his ship. And Ulic, in his weak, sith toxined stag breaks one of those Sith Swords as well.

It's not like Naga is going to be fighting naked. Having all that technology doesn't mean he is weak. Can I see a source and circumstances for Ulic breaking a sword?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
He was on CORUSCANT, not Ossus. There were FOUR JEDI THERE, FOUR! Sylvar, Vodo, Nomi and Cay, and they were all killing Kun's Massassi! He never 'Hid' himself, that's never even hinted at

He hid from Jedi on Ossus, then went to Coruscant to kill Vodo/help Ulic after the Jedi Temple on Ossus was destroyed.

1. Naga did it once. Aleema did it several times on an army or two, same as Naga.

2. Didn't Ulic cut through Satal's Sith Sword to nearly cut him in two? And 'fighting naked' or no, it sure takes his power down a bit as he clearly could not play ping pong with stars. Ulic Qel-Droma was shot dead by a blaster, does that mean his killer is a better warrior?

3. He was never on Ossus, he was lounging about Yavin when Mandalore implored him to save Ulic. He was never ON Ossus except when Ulic attacked to get Ood's lightsabers-and he failed at that.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
1. Naga did it once. Aleema did it several times on an army or two, same as Naga.

Naga did it at every battle in the Great Hyperspace War on a much larger scale then Aleema.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
2. Didn't Ulic cut through Satal's Sith Sword to nearly cut him in two? And 'fighting naked' or no, it sure takes his power down a bit as he clearly could not play ping pong with stars. Ulic Qel-Droma was shot dead by a blaster, does that mean his killer is a better warrior?

Cut through it? Do you mean with a weapon? Ludo shattered one with his bare hands while the user was still alive(making the blade stronger then it would be after the users death).

Yes, Sadow can throuw stars with his technology and since he keeps it with him, he is going to fight with it all of the time.

What does how someone die have to do with their level of power?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
3. He was never on Ossus, he was lounging about Yavin when Mandalore implored him to save Ulic. He was never ON Ossus except when Ulic attacked to get Ood's lightsabers-and he failed at that.

Exar killed Odan-Urr there and still wasn't discovered by the Jedi to be a Sith Lord. That would be like Sidious walking into the Council Chamber and killing Mace and them still not knowing his identity.

1. There were TWO battles in the Great Hyperspace war. Coruscant and Cinnagar. Kirrek's fight ended instantly. And even WITH the illusions, Naga's forces weren't doing so hot.

2. I'll grant Ludo physical strength then. Sadow may be able to do it with technology, but technology is not actual power. Sadow may be smart-hypothetically- but unless we see Grand Admiral Thrawn annihilating the Republic with a small wooden knife...my point was technology is not power...and it exhausted his ship entirely to do that star thing even once. ALEEMA was able to do it with his ship, ALEEMA!

3. Considering Exar was being accompanied and still thought of as a member of the Order as noone thought to search for a Sith, not a hard feat. He killed Odan-Urr using a Sith Gauntlet...not really his own power there. And Odan-Urr was a wise Jedi, not a strong one he was too ancient to do anything against Exar. Ossus was practically deserted at that point anyways, with just the ragtag knights and padawans backing Exar up...the war hadn't started yet and only Vodo knew what was happening with Exar

Originally posted by Lightsnake
1. There were TWO battles in the Great Hyperspace war. Coruscant and Cinnagar. Kirrek's fight ended instantly. And even WITH the illusions, Naga's forces weren't doing so hot.

Winning every battle they fought isn't to hot....?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
2. I'll grant Ludo physical strength then. Sadow may be able to do it with technology, but technology is not actual power. Sadow may be smart-hypothetically- but unless we see Grand Admiral Thrawn annihilating the Republic with a small wooden knife...my point was technology is not power...and it exhausted his ship entirely to do that star thing even once. ALEEMA was able to do it with his ship, ALEEMA!

It took Aleema much longer and more effort to do it though. Also note that Sidious was only able to create force storms with the help of the meditation chamber on his ship. Sadow isn't the only one who uses technology...

Originally posted by Lightsnake
3. Considering Exar was being accompanied and still thought of as a member of the Order as noone thought to search for a Sith, not a hard feat. He killed Odan-Urr using a Sith Gauntlet...not really his own power there. And Odan-Urr was a wise Jedi, not a strong one he was too ancient to do anything against Exar. Ossus was practically deserted at that point anyways, with just the ragtag knights and padawans backing Exar up...the war hadn't started yet and only Vodo knew what was happening with Exar

Wisdom means power in the force. Odan was strong and the fact that Ossus was the Jedi strong-hold when he did it makes it impressive(they later evacuated as the star was blowing up).

1. What do you mean won every battle? They lost every last one. On Cinnagar, Teta wiped them out, on Coruscant, the Jedi destroyed his forces with minimal casualities, on Kirrek, Ooroo gave his life and destroyed the ENTIRE Sith army Sadow sent....there were three battles, not counting Sadow's flight back to the Sith empire...and then Ludo set on him and Teta wiped out the Sith fleet.

2. It took Aleema around the same time. And Sidious never HAD a meditation chamber, when he created the force storm, he was at the bridge of the Eclipse with Luke after he fought him. What Meditation chamber? That phrase is never mentioned in conjunction with Sidious/

3. Odan was a historian. And considering OSsus was nearly EVACUATED when Kun arrived with his knights, added to the fact he was a jedi knight to them and they didn't know about the Sith's return, let alone Exar's involvement, it's not too impressive.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Waaaait, you mean not knowing soem bit of knowledge or a certain technique disqualifies him? Especially as he killed Plageuis when he was younger? Or he was just making up the idea that Plageuis saved people from dying?

He killed Plagueis while Plagueis was sleeping. How is that any measure for Sidious power ? I can kill the greatest fighter in the world while he's sleeping and still this doesn't make me more powerful than him. And why should he make up an idea and invent another person ? If he just wanted Anakin to join him he could just have said "I have the power to save Padme. Join me and I'll do it". Why make up some story about another person who is dead anyway ?

AndSidious, during the OT era, drained all the million of Alderaanian refugees on Byss. And cloaked himself from the Jedi for decades....Hmmm...

During the OT era he did basically nothing. During the OT era there were only two Jedi left and Sidious happened to be the Ruler of the Galaxy.

IF De's overpowered, so are your precious Tales of the JEdi, thus taking your Ancient Sith down JUST a tad, hm?

Oh no. According to yourself the ancient Sith did everything with technology and technology able to destroy planets is clearly not out of line for the SW universe. Sorry...

He never fought through 'ten thousand' battle droids...at least not without the help of thousands of Clones...and there's the detail he and Grievous entered into single combat.

According to the novel there were thousands of battle droids in the room and Obi-Wan destroyed half of them before his clones were coming. He was also jumping around near the ceiling of the room dodging laserfire from all the droids and so on and so on...
There is a reason why most people here like to call the ROTS novel the "Bible of Sidious and Anakin fanboys".

Wow, do you know more than the authors and writers? Because they never hint at such a power difference or knowledge gathering...could it be you're making stuff up?

Oh great. Let's see. It's clearly said that Sidious plundered the Jedi archieves after the purge. I guess you simply missed that. Maybe he summoned that Jedi holocron Luke receives from him in DE out of nowhere ?
And for the power difference: You simply assume that he just decided not to use his powers for a mysterious reason in the films even in ocassions he clearly could have needed him. Then you assume that he didn't develop his own powers any further in 29 years between ROTS and DE.
And while having exactly no evidence for your assumptions while any information given in the EU sources completly contradicts it you still call that the absolute truth ?

What did your precious 'Ancient Sith' ever do? Absolutely nothing Palpatine couldn't. They looked threatening, used some technology and lost horribly within two hours. And about 90 percent of their army was made up of illusions. Scary.

Oh yes...sure...
Sadow blasted a planet away - using some technology to boost his force powers. So he still did it with force powers basically while Sidious had to rely 100 % on technology to do the same (Death Stars, Sun Crusher, Galaxy Gun).
Then breaking Sith swords with bare hands. Those things are made of metal and are magically enchanted to withstand blasters and lightsabers. I didn't see Sidious displaying some similar physical power - actually that should be quite impossible.
Kun is descriped being so charged up with Dark energies that the ground he walked on was shaking under his power. And since I'm already talking about Kun - he instantly killed a Jedi master on Ossus with a hand movement.
Nadd destroyed entire armies with force powers only.

And please notice I'm not arguing that DE Sidious can't do it. I'm talking about the movie Sidious.

Why would any of the Sith have to or want to reproduce what Kun did? Not a single one of them ever encountered an unwilling Senate...and millions of senators? thousands at best. That OR cloaking one self from thousands of Jedi for decades....And since the Jedi were moving and yelling at Kun before he fought Vodo...who was fighting to subdue, not kill.

Imagine you are Sidious. Imagine you are power hungry and you want to rule over the Galaxy. Would you manipulate and conspire behind the scenes for more than 20 years if you could just annihilate any opposition in the matter of seconds ? Well...there wouldn't be any story to tell if Sidious would have done that but still...if he could have done that he would have.

You think Sadow or Kressh were impressive at all? They were weak minded fools who got their empire destroyed within two days. Sadow did nothing without technology and Kressh? Yes, FEAR the Sith who returns only to die thanks to a random kamikaze ship seconds later! What did Sadow or KRessh ever do to be considered even among the top twenty?

You did notice that Sadow was betrayed by the commander of his fleet and still managed to survive for 600 years until Nadd found him on Yavin 4. What did Sidious do except doing some political manipulation, being lucky, destroy some planets and ships with superweapons, get betrayed and killed by his former student and finally shot in the back and wiped from the Galaxy by Han Solo ?

Pffft, you've never read Tales of the Jedi.

Nice that you tell me that. I'll just burn the copies I have here and forget what I've seen.

There were...four Jedi on Coruscant at the time.

I'm sure the other 9,996 simply left the place because the winter season was opening and they just traveled to the warmer south of the Galaxy.

In one place.

Ah. Ok.

Murdered Vodo? That's why Vodo was whipping him around in the fight until he decided he could pull an Obi-wan Kenobi? They were at a standstill until Vodo dropped the force protection on his saber.

Oh. I haven't read the comics ? You did notice that Vodo wasn't even using a saber he was using a walking stick. Yet Kun dominated the entire fight (another little detail you simply missed) and then - when he wanted to stop the biggest threat in the Galaxy, Vodo "pulled and Obi-Wan" and let himself getting slaughtered. Jap. That totally makes sense, doesn't it ?

And hid himself? Kun never did anything of the sort, unless by 'hiding' you mean 'cowardly cringing away from a war he started and screaming and sobbing like a baby when death came a knocking'...and screwing up his own suicide and...I quote "Ulic, please help me! IT's dark....I'm trapped! ULIC! DON'T LEAVE ME HERE! UUUULIIIIIC! ....Ulic....?"

Awww...It's amazing how I, who didn't read the comics, remember more of them than you who did read them. Does "Ossus" ring a bell ? No ? Kun was running around on the planet and recruited Jedi under the eyes of some of the most powerful Jedi masters. Yet nobody did notice the Sith Lord. Ok. That was done using some Sith amulet (that's what you would like to call "technology" I guess) but still Kun did it.

1. Like how Malak fired on Revan when his back was turned and Sadow backstabbed Simus? How's THAT for power? Nevermind Sidious was much younger. That's Sidious being SMART. That's the way of the Sith.

2. Sadow never TOUCHED a planet. It was technology controlled by the force, even Aleema could do it. And Sidious had to rely? Hmmm, should he risk his ass or create weapons of destruction to inspire fear and loyalty...think hard now.

3. Good thing that book's official and you ain't!

4. You mean bring down an entire order and the entire galaxy on you?! Geez, think a little.

5. Commander of his fleet? Kressh HATED him! He refused to follow him and left with his loyalists and Sadow fell for such an obvious ruse when he thought Ludo died. And Sidious only overthrew a Republic and Order that existed for 25,000 years...hmmm....And Sadow had already lost when he limped back to the empire when Kressh ambushed him

6. Considering only four Jedi were on Coruscant and the others were scattered over the Galaxy, on Ossus at the time....yeah, kinda makes what Kun did not so impressive.

7. Dominated the fight? Which is why he and Vodo were at a standstill? The panels clearly show first Kun pressing Vodo back, then Vodo pressing Kun back. Vodo tells him they'll fight again one day, then stops protecting himself, letting Kun cut him down.

8. You mean...notice the Sith Lord noone knows exists?! You mean...'ask a bunch of padawans go to a place he found' where they can be possessed?! You mean....not notice the star pupil wanting to go fight the darkness with some volunteers while the masters are at a big council?! You mean....somehoe know the Sith are back?! Yeah, nice logic. 'Hiding' oneself with the force is not the same when noone knows to look for you

Originally posted by Lightsnake
1. Like how Malak fired on Revan when his back was turned and Sadow backstabbed Simus? How's THAT for power? Nevermind Sidious was much younger. That's Sidious being SMART. That's the way of the Sith.

Did somebody try to discuss topics like Malak > Revan (which would be senseless) or Sadow > Simus (oh great...he killed Simus who was nothing else than a talking head in a jar) here ? Nevermind.

2. Sadow never TOUCHED a planet. It was technology controlled by the force, even Aleema could do it. And Sidious had to rely? Hmmm, should he risk his ass or create weapons of destruction to inspire fear and loyalty...think hard now.

It's nice how you always assume things. Nobody ever explained how that "technology" was working. But you happen to know it. So...tell us about it or stop boring me with your assumptions.

3. Good thing that book's official and you ain't!

Good thing that I did miss the "Author: George Lucas" on it's cover. It contradicts the movies and therefore it's not a valid source. It's interpretation of the events by the author. Period.

5. Commander of his fleet? Kressh HATED him! He refused to follow him and left with his loyalists and Sadow fell for such an obvious ruse when he thought Ludo died. And Sidious only overthrew a Republic and Order that existed for 25,000 years...hmmm....And Sadow had already lost when he limped back to the empire when Kressh ambushed him

Who was talking about Kressh, eh ? Since when was Kressh the commander of Sadow's fleet ? Better read before start talking to me.

And Sidious himself did overthrew what exactly ? He let his minions do the job. What does "political manipulation skill" say about "force power" eh ?

6. Considering only four Jedi were on Coruscant and the others were scattered over the Galaxy, on Ossus at the time....yeah, kinda makes what Kun did not so impressive.

Yeah. It perfectly make sense that only four Jedi were on Coruscant. Of course only the most powerful ones and despite the fact that the Jedi Temple was already standing there at this time. I guess all other people were on vacation.

7. Dominated the fight? Which is why he and Vodo were at a standstill? The panels clearly show first Kun pressing Vodo back, then Vodo pressing Kun back. Vodo tells him they'll fight again one day, then stops protecting himself, letting Kun cut him down.

I love it how all people here seem to have read other comics...

8. You mean...notice the Sith Lord noone knows exists?! You mean...'ask a bunch of padawans go to a place he found' where they can be possessed?! You mean....not notice the star pupil wanting to go fight the darkness with some volunteers while the masters are at a big council?! You mean....somehoe know the Sith are back?! Yeah, nice logic. 'Hiding' oneself with the force is not the same when noone knows to look for you

Like no one did know about Sidious ? Like nobody did look for a Sith Lord in Sidious office ? Nice how you owned yourself...

By the way...did the Jedi on Ossus just ignore all the events happening before Kun visited the place or how did they not know there were any Sith left in the Galaxy ?