By that logic, Traya, that makes Han Solo a Dark Lord...killing one doesn't make you one. Especially when there's a reigning one also around. Sadow's title was stripped from him and given to KRessh too.
And Exanda, how can you prove things were greater in the past? Matter of fact: It wasn't and it's a false rumor that it was. What makes them greater? What do you know about them that made them better at all?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
1. Oh, because Sadow only said it himself. And Aleema. And Exar Kun. Quote: "This is the ship whose power allowed Naga Sadow to destroy the Denarii."
He still had to provide the raw power, it just helped focus it, because no ship before the ISD produced as much power as a star, yet it takes more then 30 times the power of a star to move the core as fast as Sadow did. Notice that Aleema only destroyed stars, but Sadow threw them, which requires much more energy.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
2. Notice he was currently grabbing at Anakin Solo when Han shot him in the back. And he WANTED his body to be killed so he could possess Anakin.
He still failed. You also can't prove that he wanted his body to be killed.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
3. Suddenly the Sith are the only darkness in the Galaxy?
This statement makes no sense.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
4. No. I have no scanner. If you want, get the TOTJ companion and look inside it.
If you can't prove what you say, stop talking.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
5. Point out one time aDark Jedi was greater than a Sith, one time. And considering Aleema was a Krath, specifically described as not actual Sith..
Krath are Dark Jedi, not Sith, which is just my point. She could kill Maul or most any Sith in the KOTOR-era outside of the top 10.
King Omnin was able to hold Arca Jeth captive. That puts him far above almost every KOTOR-era and New Sith War-era Sith.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
And Exanda, how can you prove things were greater in the past? Matter of fact: It wasn't and it's a false rumor that it was. What makes them greater? What do you know about them that made them better at all?
They fought real force users all the time. Sidious only fought against a few and had no frontline war experince. Ancients generally had more war experince then anyone in the PT. Try taking someone who trains all his life to fight and then put them against someone who has fought in real combat for half as long and the person who actually fights a lot will win.
HAH! Fought real force users all the time?
Yes, Kun's army was FULL of force users...it wasn't Mandalorians and ground troops. The Ancients were a stagnant breed, they hadn't even seen the Republic in millenia. They didn't even remember it EXISTED until the Daragons...they didn't fight Force users on a regular basis. Not at all. Wow, one war in a thousand years! Wow, one war the next thousand years! Wow, another war fifty years later! Wow, no more wars for two thousand years...I'm so impressed with the Ancients
Traya? Prove it. Show me a quote. Show me evidence of him studying. Show me SOMETHING.
1. All he did was the equivalent of flipping a button. The ship itself blasted electricity into the star. And he didn't 'throw' stars. They jsut exploded. Aleema actually threw a core, not Sadow.
2. Ummm, yes I can prove it:
Palpatine: Yes....he has killed me, I feel it...now, to enter the child, just as I planned...
3. The Sith ain't the only evil people in the galaxy. Know any other darkside users who twist life to their purposes?
4. As opposed to 'Oh, the Ancient Sith who did so much!' At elast I can provide a SOURCE! Why don't you prove what you're saying?
5. Aleema was a dunce in actual combat. She was a coward, too. And only Satal and Aleema were Force Users of the Krath. Oh, and Arca was being held at gunpoint by Ommin's men. And he was unconcious the entire time. What'd Arca ever do that was so great? He opened a tomb and blew up a droid.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
HAH! Fought real force users all the time?
Yep.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yes, Kun's army was FULL of force users...it wasn't Mandalorians and ground troops. The Ancients were a stagnant breed, they hadn't even seen the Republic in millenia. They didn't even remember it EXISTED until the Daragons...they didn't fight Force users on a regular basis. Not at all. Wow, one war in a thousand years! Wow, one war the next thousand years! Wow, another war fifty years later! Wow, no more wars for two thousand years...I'm so impressed with the Ancients
Traya? Prove it. Show me a quote. Show me evidence of him studying. Show me SOMETHING.
There were many Krath in Exar's Army. Also note that the Ancient Sith were at civil war almost all of the time. That is fighting other force users. Note the Hundred Year Darkness, the thousand year war, and the Jedi Civil War. Also, after things like the Great Sith War and Great Hyperspace War they had to spend YEARS finishing off the rest of the enemy forces.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
1. All he did was the equivalent of flipping a button. The ship itself blasted electricity into the star. And he didn't 'throw' stars. They jsut exploded. Aleema actually threw a core, not Sadow.
It is impossible for the ship to have done it as I have already explained. Note that Sadow did through the core at the Republic ships that were following him.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
2. Ummm, yes I can prove it:
Palpatine: Yes....he has killed me, I feel it...now, to enter the child, just as I planned...
That doesn't mean he wanted his old body to die, just that he knew he was to weak to stop it and so planned for it to happen.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
3. The Sith ain't the only evil people in the galaxy. Know any other darkside users who twist life to their purposes?
The entire NJO, Krath, Naddist, Nightsisters, Jensaari, Sorcerers of Tund, ect. There are plenty. This doesn't prove your point, it actually helps mine.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
4. As opposed to 'Oh, the Ancient Sith who did so much!' At elast I can provide a SOURCE! Why don't you prove what you're saying?
I have. Go look at the comics, go look at the Essential Guides.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
5. Aleema was a dunce in actual combat. She was a coward, too. And only Satal and Aleema were Force Users of the Krath. Oh, and Arca was being held at gunpoint by Ommin's men. And he was unconcious the entire time. What'd Arca ever do that was so great? He opened a tomb and blew up a droid.
Arca was deemed the most powerful Jedi in a massive Jedi meeting with thousands of Jedi by the Krath War droids.
You're assuming a that Aleema is weak either way. She isn't. The fact is that she was able to destroy a star and project images into thousands of soliders minds. That doesn't make those feats easy, it just shows Aleema is powerful.
1. You know besides Satal and Aleema, not one Krath was a force user? Notice not one war was right after the other and involved the same order or participants? Amazing how we can say 'But the PT era JEdi were week!' Well, there was 2000 years since the one hundred years of darkness and the Hyperspace war, 1000 years til the Sith war, another 50 till the next, TWO thousand years to the New Sith wars, another thousand to Ruusan....yep, practically daily.
2. The Ancient Sith had been complacent for the entirety of Ragnos' reign.
3. Sadow was being chased by three fighters when he blew up the nebula. The ship blasted electricity into a star, that was all
4. All those other Dark Side users? They don't have a fraction of the Sith power and don't unbalance the Force.
5. Quote it. I've done that much at least. Quote the sources.
6. Would that be before or after those Krath war droids killed Arca? They said nothing of the sort, first time he saw them he died. Either Arca or Vodow as the strongest, which was it? And Aleema destroyed a star with Sadow's ship. Either she's stronger than Sadow or it's the ship which is shown to blast at the star. And Aleema had Satal helping her during the illusion process
Originally posted by UshgarakNow, this debate is going in pointless circles. I will close pointless debates.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
By all means, Ush, close the topic...I've made my point and if people can't see it or refuse to accept it, fine by me
You've failed to prove anything. More proof has been provided to show that you are wrong. Naga's feat of moving a star's core could not have been done by the ship as I have already shown, and moving the star requires over twice the energy destroying the Republic fleet did.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yes, because you clearly know everything of Star Wars architecture. It's good that the star never moved an inch, too. It caused a chain reaction that caused the gas to inflame and then detonate
If Sadow can cause a star to go supernova by use of the force, he is damn powerful.
When you provide one single out of universe quote that puts the Ancient Sith at the top. I'm not giving up. Your entire arguments are
"The Sith were a race of Gods...They did things Sidious couldn't dream of!"
"Provide achievments. All they did was due to technology and artifacts. There's not one time one of them did something without that"
"They were Gods."
PRovide proof. Now. Of a Sith doing anything without his technology or artifacts. Sadow was still wearing his amulets as I recall. And killing off his men for their energy....and a star never budged an inch. When did they play ping pong with stars now?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
When you provide one single out of universe quote that puts the Ancient Sith at the top. I'm not giving up. Your entire arguments are
"The Sith were a race of Gods...They did things Sidious couldn't dream of!"
"Provide achievments. All they did was due to technology and artifacts. There's not one time one of them did something without that"
"They were Gods."PRovide proof. Now. Of a Sith doing anything without his technology or artifacts. Sadow was still wearing his amulets as I recall. And killing off his men for their energy....and a star never budged an inch. When did they play ping pong with stars now?
All of that is proof. That's what was said by the TOTJ narrator.
Originally posted by Teh Biffalo
Ush, ever wondered why your getting blasted by members? It's because of stupid, autocratic quotes like this. Instead of trying to imitate Hitler and run the SW forums like some sort of banana republic dictator, why not take a step back, and realise that your online posturing impresses no one, much less those that you are supposed to be insuring have a good time?
Gosh, I almost care about what you are saying.
For your information, a lot of people can't stand the petty bickering in these sorts of threads and make comment to me about how it has driven them away. Sorry, but I will put a stop to this sort of thing.
No decent purpose is served by continuance here of issues that will never be resolved. We can concentrate on the core- provided material by the authoritative people concerned- or we will have nothing.
If you have comments about moderation, keep them out the threads and make them in private. Don't waste time in the threads with comments like that again.
Everyone- I hope this is clear, I don't, for one moment, care about the opinion people form of me when I am doing my job in these areas. A mod's life is full of people who whine and scream 'power abuse!' whenever a mod does anything. It's meaningless to me. If you don't like me for my decisions- fine. Don't like me. It means bugger all to me; I have the respect of everyone I that respect in turn, and it won't put me off my job.
Do people have anyhting more constructive to add here? If not, then I will close.