Originally posted by -Pr-
They would have a much harder time against Superman or Thor than they would Magneto, tbh, and it was a much weaker team back then too, so I don't get what you're saying.I made my point in my post.
Thor struggles with Hercules. I'm thinking the old X-men can take him (collectively). Superman, I'm thinking not so much.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm talking about the X-Men rather than mutantkind as a whole. I don't mind some of them being powerful, but when it gets to the point where they aren't under threat anymore, that's when X-Men loses some of it's magic for me. They are the underdogs in the sense that everyone (or at least, a large amount of people) is against them, and that they are a threat to them.Even Magneto, at his most dangerous, was still someone that a team of X-Men would beat, either by using smarts or by catching him out somehow.
Having a big, invincible express train neuters that threat for me. At least with Hope she's unproven. Namor isn't nearly top dog. Emma, as good as she is can still be beaten.
For example, during Morrison's run, Jean was tapping in to her Phoenix powers, yet there was still that "world is against us and is a threat to us" mentality.
And they did beat back the Phalanx before with Gambit and Beast. 😛 I don't see why you're so against them (I don't like Gambit, but that's a personal preference thing).
Hahaha no no i loved beast ( the old fun loving funny one in the Avengers and old x-teams, not this new whiny version) I am just using them to try and prove a point that it is hard to swallow that people like them can take down the phalanx which took over entire races and who would threaten nova and the anninilators. Or that over scan where gambit took out Gladiator. Yah i know what you mean, on this team namor and storm are probably two of the weaker members. (they usually are the powerhouses on most teams)
I do get your point though..and im sure a lot of people would agree with it. I just want a break from the sentinels and the usual human threats, besides i think even with this powerful team, im sure we will still see major threats down the road that will give them trouble. They even struggle internally, even with all their power they could could turn on each other and it can all go wrong. Which is an interesting dynamic... i think they are similar to the Authority in attitude than the jla or avengers.
Originally posted by JDUP01Doubt it. Thor struggles with hercules because hercules is as strong if not stronger and a better fighter. The old xmen would get wreck by a serious hercules
Thor struggles with Hercules. I'm thinking the old X-men can take him (collectively). Superman, I'm thinking not so much.
Originally posted by JDUP01
Thor struggles with Hercules. I'm thinking the old X-men can take him (collectively). Superman, I'm thinking not so much.
Thor generally only struggles with Hercules when he won't use the hammer's exotic powers, and besides, none of the old X-Men can bring the physical brawn to bear that Hercules can.
Originally posted by nwg202
Hahaha no no i loved beast ( the old fun loving funny one in the Avengers and old x-teams, not this new whiny version) I am just using them to try and prove a point that it is hard to swallow that people like them can take down the phalanx which took over entire races and who would threaten nova and the anninilators. Or that over scan where gambit took out Gladiator. Yah i know what you mean, on this team namor and storm are probably two of the weaker members. (they usually are the powerhouses on most teams)I do get your point though..and im sure a lot of people would agree with it. I just want a break from the sentinels and the usual human threats, besides i think even with this powerful team, im sure we will still see major threats down the road that will give them trouble. They even struggle internally, even with all their power they could could turn on each other and it can all go wrong. Which is an interesting dynamic... i think they are similar to the Authority in attitude than the jla or avengers.
But if you wanted the Authority, would you not just read the Authority? 😛
[QUOTE=13624181]Originally posted by -Pr-
[B]Thor generally only struggles with Hercules when he won't use the hammer's exotic powers, and besides, none of the old X-Men can bring the physical brawn to bear that Hercules can.
Do you think Hercules could defeat the Cain Marko Juggernaut? Has CM/Juggernaut defeated Thor? This is a legit question because I don't know. But if the answere is yes to either or, then the old X-men could take on Thor.
Originally posted by JDUP01
[QUOTE=13624181]Originally posted by -Pr-
[B]Thor generally only struggles with Hercules when he won't use the hammer's exotic powers, and besides, none of the old X-Men can bring the physical brawn to bear that Hercules can.Do you think Hercules could defeat the Cain Marko Juggernaut? Has CM/Juggernaut defeated Thor? This is a legit question because I don't know. But if the answere is yes to either or, then the old X-men could take on Thor.
That would be ABC logic. 😛
Originally posted by JDUP01
Ok, I guess I'll have to go on Youtube and find it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTn-s0RHYVk&feature=related
Ok, here's one.
Originally posted by JDUP01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTn-s0RHYVk&feature=relatedOk, here's one.
Here I thought it would take a crew of X-men to defeat Thor. Turns out only one was needed.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Thor generally only struggles with Hercules when he won't use the hammer's exotic powers, and besides, none of the old X-Men can bring the physical brawn to bear that Hercules can.But if you wanted the Authority, would you not just read the Authority? 😛
Well i really never grew u[ reading the authority so i don't really feel any attachment to them. I grew up reading X-men, avengers and Jla so it's really interesting to me to see my childhood faves have getting a power boost and nastier attitudes. Besides if you want the old school feel of a school you have wolverines book to read. So more you have more choices for the x-fan.
I find it interesting that they changed my fave gentle giant (with anger management issues) into a ticking time bomb. It makes sense for me too, since all of the rasputins seem to have a little crazy in them. Both of his siblings (illyana and mikhail) have insane power which comes at a cost...they lose their humanity. Now Peter is in the same boat...and it actually looks like Magik is the one who is now protective of her brother, the roles have switched. ( illyana is usually the ticking time bomb that worries everyone) I find that really interesting...at least the characters grow. I dont expect peter to be the same peter he was when he was a teen.
Originally posted by nwg202
Well i really never grew u[ reading the authority so i don't really feel any attachment to them. I grew up reading X-men, avengers and Jla so it's really interesting to me to see my childhood faves have getting a power boost and nastier attitudes. Besides if you want the old school feel of a school you have wolverines book to read. So more you have more choices for the x-fan.I find it interesting that they changed my fave gentle giant (with anger management issues) into a ticking time bomb. It makes sense for me too, since all of the rasputins seem to have a little crazy in them. Both of his siblings (illyana and mikhail) have insane power which comes at a cost...they lose their humanity. Now Peter is in the same boat...and it actually looks like Magik is the one who is now protective of her brother, the roles have switched. ( illyana is usually the ticking time bomb that worries everyone) I find that really interesting...at least the characters grow. I dont expect peter to be the same peter he was when he was a teen.
Neither do I; I'd just rather he was written well (which, at times, he has been), than them turning this in to some sort of gimmick, which I hope they don't.
There's a horrible trend in comics where they think that to make a character more interesting, they have to fundamentally change something about them, like their personality (Cyclops), or their powers (Colossus).
Like, I am sure that some characters could do with an upgrade. Aquaman certainly needed one in the mid 90s, and he did get it, but it didn't compromise the character in the slightest. Wonder Woman got one. Cyclops had been steadily getting one over the years, as had Colossus funnily enough. Hank Pym needed more attention, and he got it (eventually).
Whether you agree or disagree about liking this change, I can't imagine that it was necessarily NEEDED. Colossus was plenty powerful already, and, written well, he did get to show it. It was just rare that he was written well.
Originally posted by -Pr-
There's a horrible trend in comics where they think that to make a character more interesting, they have to fundamentally change something about them, like their personality (Cyclops), or their powers (Colossus).Like, I am sure that some characters could do with an upgrade. Aquaman certainly needed one in the mid 90s, and he did get it, but it didn't compromise the character in the slightest. Wonder Woman got one. Cyclops had been steadily getting one over the years, as had Colossus funnily enough. Hank Pym needed more attention, and he got it (eventually).
Whether you agree or disagree about liking this change, I can't imagine that it was necessarily NEEDED. Colossus was plenty powerful already, and, written well, he did get to show it. It was just rare that he was written well.
Well that's the thing with me, if they take away this new upgrade soon to me that will make it feel like a gimmick. I want long lasting effects on both his personal and professional life..
Ohi i agree, it's rare that he is written well. They don't even seem to remember his powerset. he does not breath, but has to wear a space suit, he leaks energy now he apparently bleeds. one minute rouge can absorb his powers the next issue his immune to rouges touch. A lot of them seem to write him as a dumb naive melodramatic hick. i wanted to tear my eyes out when he got that dumb tatoo..
After claremont, I think gillen and josh w were the only ones who wrote him well. gillen has stated how big a sacrifice pete has made with this demonic possession. which makes it heroic if there is no sacrifice its not heroic...and for me it is totally in character since pete has time and again sacrificed himself for the x-men. This is just a new challenge for him to overcome. Like illyana told him he has to become the master of this new power not the other way around. Just my opinion of course. At least now he matters...just like Aquaman hehe (loving the new arthur as well...)
lol even with a team this powerful there is no way they can take that on.
Unless Hope goes wild Magik and Colossus might be able to help out but seriously.....taking just one of them is a stretch. if magik takes one to limbo and turns into darkchilde, Colossus turns into trion Colossus and hope turns into dark phoenix. That's way to much power in that picture. I dont see how they beat the Celestials at all. That would be big time jobbing. Maybe cyc just talks his way out of it.