Ultimate Colossus, and Colossus Respect Thread

Originally posted by -Pr-
I can't see him keeping the enchantment permanently. I mean, Cain is the Juggernaut. It's like Bruce Wayne not being Batman for a while. Sure, you get some time where he isn't Batman, but in the end he always puts on the cowl again.

At least that's how I see it.

I'm also worried like people said, about his standard powers getting made to look bad.

Yeah, he has been the Juggernaut since what, 1965? Something like that. But the Batman thing is a stretch for me. He's done some good things in stories but the impact of no Cain Marko is just about zero. Now if you remove Bruce Wayne-Batman or Logan-Wolverine the impact is huge. The comparison to Bruce Wayne works only if you are a Cain Marko fan. For me, I like the idea of Juggernaut, but it does not have to be Cain Marko.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You mean when he got f*cked up by Riptide? I didn't know that was a secondary mutation.

That's been his only power up, until now.

I don't like the "pants-less" speedo look, I never did on Cain either.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
I don't like the "pants-less" speedo look, I never did on Cain either.

I haven't seen the speedo in an actual comic yet. I'm thinking the artist is just taking liberties with the design.

I thought I saw a preview of a couple of pages with Colossus having the same look?

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
I thought I saw a preview of a couple of pages with Colossus having the same look?

I agree with you. I'm not big on the speedo. The last time I saw it used regular was when he was full time in Astonishing X-men.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Didn't know that. What was it?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You mean when he got f*cked up by Riptide? I didn't know that was a secondary mutation.

Thats because it not a secondary mutation. Look at who you guys are talking too, and they look back at all the statements the certain some one has made about colossus.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
At some point, this power up is going to disappear one way or another. Hopefully Colossus' regular power set wont get too many bad showings by then just so that the Juggernaut side can come out and kick *ss.

If Colossus needed a power up, a secondary mutation would have been enough.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
meh, colossus has not really had any bad showings lately. Nothing worse then many of his other showings. There just seems this forum version of colossus which in my opinion is not very close to actaul colossus at all. he been hurt several times, he had very bad strength feats and he not very consistent. I not trying to put colossus down, I just think people don't look at colossus whole and very much focus on his very few high showings and act as if there the norm (I am not saying this about you by the way)

You are correct. There is an idea of what pre-Juggernaut Colossus should be, and there is how he has been written for a very long time. This power up is long over due and will likely be the only way Colossus is depicted as a true powerhouse. Statistically, standard Colossus should be great. But what we read time and again says different.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
meh, colossus has not really had any bad showings lately. Nothing worse then many of his other showings. There just seems this forum version of colossus which in my opinion is not very close to actaul colossus at all. he been hurt several times, he had very bad strength feats and he not very consistent. I not trying to put colossus down, I just think people don't look at colossus whole and very much focus on his very few high showings and act as if there the norm (I am not saying this about you by the way)

So the way Whedon wrote him doesn't count? 😛

Originally posted by JDUP01
You are correct. There is an idea of what pre-Juggernaut Colossus should be, and there is how he has been written for a very long time. This power up is long over due and will likely be the only way Colossus is depicted as a true powerhouse. Statistically, standard Colossus should be great. But what we read time and again says different.

Agreed. Especially w/ the Extinction team, You need Juggernaut or Hulk type muscle to give this team credibility. Not even Namor's physical power (which is already enough to beat most groups of heros) was enough in my opinion.

You have Hope who is potentially a galaxy level threat.

Magik who can control time and space and is a hell lord ruler of limbo who goes up against people like Mephisto, Belasco, Enchantress and countless other demons. She is a sorcerer supreme.

Magneto who is a planetary threat who goes up againts whole teams of x-men and avengers.

Danger who can is capable of doing all sorts of things ( morph, gain mass, take over most tech, create hard light constructs, etc..)

Storm can destroy a city and at full potential can cause planetary level damage. (her durability is a big weakness though)

Emma and Cyc are no slouches in their fields either.

There is no way Classic Colossus would join this team. The x-men never had the elite level physical powerhouse( Thor, Hulk, Gladiator). Upgraded Colossus makes this team a team that most heroes and humans would really fear. He makes Extinction Team legit...and it makes all of them elite level powerhouses in their fields. There is no room for a low level cl 100 in this team. you needed this kind of fire power to make the Avengers look like huge underdogs. Usual x-teams don't make you feel that.

I honestly don't agree (about the power descriptions, but more about the other part).

The X-Men aren't supposed to, at least imo, be a team of Heralds that go around wasting planets. They're supposed to be the underdogs that, to coin a phrase "fight to survive in a world that hates and fears them". Yes, we've had a few uber X-Men over the years, but never as a majority, and I would rather not see that change, tbh.

Just how I see it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I honestly don't agree (about the power descriptions, but more about the other part).

The X-Men aren't supposed to, at least imo, be a team of Heralds that go around wasting planets. They're supposed to be the underdogs that, to coin a phrase "fight to survive in a world that hates and fears them". Yes, we've had a few uber X-Men over the years, but never as a majority, and I would rather not see that change, tbh.

Just how I see it.

I agree but this is what the current x-writer premise is. they are tackling phalanx and celestials not sentinels and mutant hate mobs...and if you go at stories like this with your standard x-team it does not look believable..in my opinon at least. gambit? beast? no room for that with these threats..i dont need to see gambit knocking out gladiator and imperial guard..it hurts my eyes

and yes i dont think storm and a couple of others are uber powerful just magik colossus hope and mags with mags being the weakest. dont know what danger is capable of...

and he needed an edge since part of the premise is to make this team very unstable and liable to blow up at anytime. which i find refreshing since i have never seen the x-men portrayed like this...

Originally posted by -Pr-
I honestly don't agree (about the power descriptions, but more about the other part).

The X-Men aren't supposed to, at least imo, be a team of Heralds that go around wasting planets. They're supposed to be the underdogs that, to coin a phrase "fight to survive in a world that hates and fears them". Yes, we've had a few uber X-Men over the years, but never as a majority, and I would rather not see that change, tbh.

Just how I see it.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
The Xmen has moved up, being the underdogs got old,they are finally where they deserve to be

I don't agree. To me they're just underdogs on a larger scale than before.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't agree. To me they're just underdogs on a larger scale than before.

What do you mean by this? they are underdogs regardless of their members simply because they are x-men? or do you mean they have better stories as underpowered scrappy teams filled with beasts, wolverines, gambits etc..as opposed to a powerhouse team like the extinction team?

i agree that they have been portrayed as underdogs for the longest time but if you really think about it the mutants have some of the most powerful people in marvel...legion , jean, franklin, wanda, vulcan, magik, magneto, rachel, jaimie bradock mad jim jaspers, x-man, hope, etc...(now colossus) as a race i think marvel actually has them at the top of the food chain powerwise. I don't think there is another race be it eternals or asgardians or olimpians , kree, skrull etc that can beat them. They are just a minority in terms of numbers.

Originally posted by nwg202
What do you mean by this? they are underdogs regardless of their members simply because they are x-men? or do you mean they have better stories as underpowered scrappy teams filled with beasts, wolverines, gambits etc..as opposed to a powerhouse team like the extinction team?

i agree that they have been portrayed as underdogs for the longest time but if you really think about it the mutants have some of the most powerful people in marvel...legion , jean, franklin, wanda, vulcan, magik, magneto, rachel, jaimie bradock mad jim jaspers, x-man, hope, etc...(now colossus) as a race i think marvel actually has them at the top of the food chain powerwise. I don't think there is another race be it eternals or asgardians or olimpians , kree, skrull etc that can beat them. They are just a minority in terms of numbers.

I'm talking about the X-Men rather than mutantkind as a whole. I don't mind some of them being powerful, but when it gets to the point where they aren't under threat anymore, that's when X-Men loses some of it's magic for me. They are the underdogs in the sense that everyone (or at least, a large amount of people) is against them, and that they are a threat to them.

Even Magneto, at his most dangerous, was still someone that a team of X-Men would beat, either by using smarts or by catching him out somehow.

Having a big, invincible express train neuters that threat for me. At least with Hope she's unproven. Namor isn't nearly top dog. Emma, as good as she is can still be beaten.

For example, during Morrison's run, Jean was tapping in to her Phoenix powers, yet there was still that "world is against us and is a threat to us" mentality.

And they did beat back the Phalanx before with Gambit and Beast. 😛 I don't see why you're so against them (I don't like Gambit, but that's a personal preference thing).

The xmen would beat superman or thor by using smarts or brute power whats your point

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
The xmen would beat superman or thor by using smarts or brute power whats your point

They would have a much harder time against Superman or Thor than they would Magneto, tbh, and it was a much weaker team back then too, so I don't get what you're saying.

I made my point in my post.