Originally posted by BloodRain
Could be alive, dead, left mortal or anything in-between.The guy hasn't really got a reason to kill other gods. Did you hear this Hindu slaying from somewhere official or is this your own idea. Either way its sounding... stupid.
I heard that GOW producers that are done with Greek mythology after GOW GOS and meaning that they want to move on the GOW series elsewhere because all of the Greek gods are dead except for Aphrodite.
They have expressed interest in having future GOW games set in other ancient empires like Norway, Egypt, Persia, India, China etc so we could see Kratos fight other mythological gods and monsters in the future.
Well since Hinduism is the 3rd largest religion with almost 1 billion followers and is well over 10,000 years old, it would be very controversial and be very offensive to have Kratos slaughter Hindu gods to 1 billion people.
So i dont think it is a good idea to go that route and besides Kratos would get his Spartan ass handed to him by ANY Hindu god or goddess. They are the most powerful gods out of the 4 mythologies. They shouldn't make him fight them at all.
However since nobody believes in Norse & Egyptian gods anymore, Kratos fighting them would be a much better option since they are on the same level as the Greek gods in-terms of power so i think that would be great to see.
Originally posted by majid86
However since nobody believes in Norse & Egyptian gods anymore, Kratos fighting them would be a much better option since they are on the same level as the Greek gods in-terms of power so i think that would be great to see.
Originally posted by XMr. WinterX
you are wrong!!!!! the Norse are leagues higher than the greek and egyptian gods...Kratos no match for Thor
Yes you are right but you have see that the Greek gods in the games were much less powerful than the actual mythological Greek gods themselves so the same thing would happen with the Norse gods as well if a new GOW game were to be made.
And if Kratos is still alive after what happened to him in GOW III, then it looks like that he has surely has became Death in Greek mythology and would be even more powerful than before so he may be tough enough to fight Thor, Loki or even Odin himself.
But personally i'd prefer Kratos to fight the Egyptian gods more than the Norse gods because Egyptian gods are very similar to the Greek gods and set in the same region of Europe because both Greece and Egypt are right opposite each other with the Mediterranean Sea in between the 2 ancient empires.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Its something to do during this slow period in games vs. Checked, nearly 3x his and the zombies height. 7m~ attack, one strike every 0.25s. But its still much easier to what it would be like irl. Makes sense the way I see it. Given the semi-elastic properties of his blades its essentially little more then 4 punches. A normal person can punch in <0.2secs, a fighter can land in about 0.1/0.05. Kratos is hitting with an easy recoil weapon, without return and /weapon length (basically for arm movement) at around 0.03. If that weapon existed then skilled people could pull of that move. Without anything else official, peak seems best.
The chains aren't semi-elastic as they are made of metal. They have to unwind from around his arms and connect to the blades when he wants to 'throw' them, and then they wind up again when he wants to pull back his blades. Because it happens so quickly, it seems elastic, as if the blade returns on its own due to tensile force.
If you are talking about the blades coming back, then it'd make his arm movement slower than it actually is. He has to wait for the Blades to come back before he can thrust them again.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Strength does play a part in it. I used the magic card before? O.o Thing is that's what the devil arm does; increase strength via demonic magic, like how he can charge/increase the strength of its attacks. [To note Gilgamesh changes flesh into a steel] I disagree. Normal gauntlets can increase strength by a certain amount, a full Just Charge strike increase to double digits times stronger. Zeus hasn't demonstrated attack/strikes at lightning speed besides throwing.
It is unless/untill his running speed is shown to be above what's been seen from him. Is why I substituted Cloud >.>
If we're talking about punches and kicks, then strength wouldn't really factor into how hard a person strikes. Granted, strength has to be there for durability and muscle mass.
That's only because we've seen him punch in gameplay (the one time we see him punch in a 'QTE' of sorts, it is slowed down at some point), where he punches fairly slow. If the speed of his bolts (lightning speed) are tied to his arm movement, then his arms should be able to move extremely fast.
He's taken punches from Hercules with the Cestus. When Hercules is using the Cestus, the amount of force he could dish out would be exponentially greater than Dante's with Gilgamesh.
Originally posted by BloodRain
For starters where did you get 30 microseconds from? If a bolt travels from inside a cloud to the ground, 2000m at 60,000m/s, that would take 0.03seconds [30 miliseconds.] And it is a partial struggle if the gameplay went out of its way to show it. These things add up to Kratos having great reactions but fairs some trouble against opponents that can fight at that speed.
When Cloud-to-ground Lightning occurs, a stepped leader (which the naked eye cannot perceive) travels down from the cloud to the ground at 60,000 m/s. Once it reaches the ground, an ionized path is created, and a return stroke (which is what we see as the lightning bolt) travels much faster from the ground to the cloud. One team's site (UCAR) put its speed at >28000 km/second, while another (Global Hydrology and Climate Center - affiliated with NASA) stated that it was close to the speed of light.
Since this happens so fast, we perceive the lightning bolt as coming down from the cloud, which is why people used to believe that Zeus/Thor/Jupiter/etc. threw Lightning down from the Heavens.
Return strokes sometimes appear to flicker, which is why they last for milliseconds or seconds at a time. In actuality, that flicker indicates that there are numerous lightning strokes occuring. Each lightning stroke takes on average 30 microseconds (always in the low microseconds range), and if there are numerous lightning strokes, the gap between each one is usually in the millisecond range.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Maybe but its making sense. Persephone can fly fast but does nothing else of that speed. Charon moves fast but it doesn't carry over to his fight. Zeus can fly at Ma2 and possible lightning speed though doesn't use and speed against Kratos. Hermes shows the most movement speed /combat speed difference by the way he attacks. Can really call out Poseidon as he was damaged. Just realises that he speed dived head first into a rocky-hide Titan but the hit at a slower speed and throwing him into a rock put him down ~,~
Didn't calc Charon, just basing on sight. Either distance/time or 'faster then the eye can perceive' for human size both lead to just under Ma1, unless my minds being to lazy to think straight it would still be at best mid supersonic. Yeah the attack has to happen for the story but I'm curious to what it was to be able to knock him out in a single blow.
She flies toward Kratos in an attempt to ram into him in the first part of their battle. >__> As does Zeus.
While that cloud thing in 3 happened in roughly a second, he travelled much higher than the base of the cloud.
Poseidon never really faces off against Kratos in his regular form. We only see Poseidon accelerate from 0 to over Mach 1, and he then flies down to one-shot a Titan.
It was still just casual movement. In the second fight, he'd be faster. He can also teleport around the ship, and it's pretty quick. His fastest 'movement' in gameplay.
Probably some sort of magic attack that kills those people who are alive and dare to get onto his boat (you have to be dead to be ferried by Charon). Charon is the ferryman of the Underworld after all. He seems to be more powerful in this incarnation, as opposed to his mythological one.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Nice catch, how did you do this with the vid? Anyway the 30 microseconds is the stroke [the flash from the connection of + and - 'somethings' (been years >,>😉] where your comparison is following the travelling bolt that takes 30 miliseconds to connect to make the stroke. (Is what my limited school work in this area says.) Then again Kratos' roll is near the same speed so I wouldnt trust this method to gauge its speed.
Just used a program called MWSnap 3. It's a free program, so you should be able to download it if you google it. Works well. Better than the whole print-screen thing.
No no, 30 microseconds is the average duration for the actual lightning bolt/return stroke if there is only one lightning stroke. The connection between the negatively charged cloud area and the positively charged Earth is done via the Stepped Leader and upwards streamers. The Stepped leader travels at 60km/s.
That's the actual lightning bolt in the videos, not the stepped leader (which is vastly forked - hence the word 'stepped', and it is something the naked eye cannot perceive during lightning). Like I said before, people see the lightning bolt as coming down from the clouds, and thus in olden times, they chose to explain it as a higher power throwing Lightning down from the Heavens. The GoW verse has one example of this 'higher power', and that is why they've chosen to portray lightning bolts this way.
Kratos can roll much faster than he can actually run. It nearly matches Hermes' basic speed in the boss battle.
Also, Kratos' roll would not be close to the speed of even a Stepped Leader, let alone the actual Lightning Bolt. It just seemingly takes the same amount of time as a Lightning Bolt. 313 (though I haven't checked for it meself)
Originally posted by BloodRain
Can tell I'm not much of a comic reader, appears faster to his games feats which is good.
No biggie. It's pretty much how comics operate afaik.
Originally posted by majid86
Kratos doesn't stand a chance against any actual mythological Greek, Norse, Egyptian & Hindu gods.Zeus strikes a lighting bolt up his ass
Thor smashes his face in with Mjolnir
Ra sets him on fire
Kali cuts him into piecesPoor Kratos
He'd kill Baldr (Norse god) if Loki told him his weakness.
biscuits
Also, yeah, Kratos wouldn't stand a chance against the actual mythological Greek Gods. Then again, neither would most characters we routinely discuss here on KMC Games Vs.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The chains aren't semi-elastic as they are made of metal. They have to unwind from around his arms and connect to the blades when he wants to 'throw' them, and then they wind up again when he wants to pull back his blades. Because it happens so quickly, it seems elastic, as if the blade returns on its own due to tensile force.If you are talking about the blades coming back, then it'd make his arm movement slower than it actually is. He has to wait for the Blades to come back before he can thrust them again.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
If we're talking about punches and kicks, then strength wouldn't really factor into how hard a person strikes. Granted, strength has to be there for durability and muscle mass.That's only because we've seen him punch in gameplay (the one time we see him punch in a 'QTE' of sorts, it is slowed down at some point), where he punches fairly slow. If the speed of his bolts (lightning speed) are tied to his arm movement, then his arms should be able to move extremely fast.
He's taken punches from Hercules with the Cestus. When Hercules is using the Cestus, the amount of force he could dish out would be exponentially greater than Dante's with Gilgamesh.
Got some guy to try find the Kratos' strength. Max strength shown is the full body lift of Cronos' hand and maybe lower arm, a weight of 100-150,000 tons that Kratos was able to push up. Aka Kratos max whole body lift, two arms and the body. [100-150k tons is from a whole body lift, a hit from eg Zeus thats more then enough to hurt him would use arm+ strength not full body strength. It would be less then the number used.[1]]. For fun/example purposes lets put that at 200,000[2], just in case. Dante was able to push off 2,000+[3] tons with one arm. 100x difference. So his attacks need to be 100x to be at that level. 2 steps and a bonus one;
1. Gilgamesh. First there's the strength increase, for low-ball sake just say it only makes him 2x stronger.(After seeing how strong Real Impact is.. 2 is very, very low.[4]) [100/2=50x] Next he can charge it twice, but instead of going 4x am just going to bunch it together for 3x. [50/3=17x] Finally the Just part which increases damage by 2x. [17/2=9x] Rounding the numbers up.
2. DT set to be 5x stronger then base. [9/5=2x] So max amped Dante is 1/2 Kratos or Zeus max strength, and we know how much Zeus' hits hurt. And thats without...
3. The small print. [1]-using the whole body number instead of the arm strength- [2]-increasing the number for the hell of it-, [3]-using the weight of only the Saviors arm, 2k and not the rest of the body pushed off- and [4]-Just 2x for base Gilgamesh- Without these 'for the oppositions sake' edits and using more accurate figures for Dante's side... Max powered Dante is going to by damaging Kratos. Worse if you add a sword to the mix.
Sorry 'bout that. Looked like a good a time as any to bring it up.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
When Cloud-to-ground Lightning occurs, a stepped leader (which the naked eye cannot perceive) travels down from the cloud to the ground at 60,000 m/s. Once it reaches the ground, an ionized path is created, and a return stroke (which is what we see as the lightning bolt) travels much faster from the ground to the cloud. One team's site (UCAR) put its speed at >28000 km/second, while another (Global Hydrology and Climate Center - affiliated with NASA) stated that it was close to the speed of light.
Since this happens so fast, we perceive the lightning bolt as coming down from the cloud, which is why people used to believe that Zeus/Thor/Jupiter/etc. threw Lightning down from the Heavens.
Return strokes sometimes appear to flicker, which is why they last for milliseconds or seconds at a time. In actuality, that flicker indicates that there are numerous lightning strokes occuring. Each lightning stroke takes on average 30 microseconds (always in the low microseconds range), and if there are numerous lightning strokes, the gap between each one is usually in the millisecond range.
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Just used a program called MWSnap 3. It's a free program, so you should be able to download it if you google it. Works well. Better than the whole print-screen thing.No no, 30 microseconds is the average duration for the actual lightning bolt/return stroke if there is only one lightning stroke. The connection between the negatively charged cloud area and the positively charged Earth is done via the Stepped Leader and upwards streamers. The Stepped leader travels at 60km/s.
That's the actual lightning bolt in the videos, not the stepped leader (which is vastly forked - hence the word 'stepped', and it is something the naked eye cannot perceive during lightning). Like I said before, people see the lightning bolt as coming down from the clouds, and thus in olden times, they chose to explain it as a higher power throwing Lightning down from the Heavens. The GoW verse has one example of this 'higher power', and that is why they've chosen to portray lightning bolts this way.Kratos can roll much faster than he can actually run. It nearly matches Hermes' basic speed in the boss battle.
Also, Kratos' roll would not be close to the speed of even a Stepped Leader, let alone the actual Lightning Bolt. It just seemingly takes the same amount of time as a Lightning Bolt. 313 (though I haven't checked for it meself)
So I did retain a little from those classes. Good to know. The thing is the screen-shots you took are showing the travelling bolt going down to the ground, and as we can see it move from your shots I doubt it was 30micros as you wouldn't be able to catch it nor would it be slow enough for you to capture it over that period if time. Like I said its hard to match the background to the gameplay as his attacks, like Kratos' movements and roll, don't match up.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
She flies toward Kratos in an attempt to ram into him in the first part of their battle. >__> As does Zeus.
While that cloud thing in 3 happened in roughly a second, he travelled much higher than the base of the cloud.
Poseidon never really faces off against Kratos in his regular form. We only see Poseidon accelerate from 0 to over Mach 1, and he then flies down to one-shot a Titan.It was still just casual movement. In the second fight, he'd be faster. He can also teleport around the ship, and it's pretty quick. His fastest 'movement' in gameplay.
Probably some sort of magic attack that kills those people who are alive and dare to get onto his boat (you have to be dead to be ferried by Charon). Charon is the ferryman of the Underworld after all. He seems to be more powerful in this incarnation, as opposed to his mythological one.
He doesnt use that speed in combat or to evade.
Two things I'm curious to.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Doppelgänger for two people that fight with high speed. [And no, Zeus makes clones but he doesn't fight at fast speeds.] Pandora's Revenge an Omen. Alastor's lightning speed and ability to shoot lightning at that speed. And freeze him with Cerberus or incinerate with Ifrit.