A little clarification about "dressing provocatively."
There is a time and place for everything. Dressing provocatively isn't bad in and of itself. There is nothing wrong with a woman feeling good about herself and wanting to show her stuff. But, as the saying goes, timing is everything. There are some situations where common sense should prevail.
Especially in the last 25 years, there has been this "tendency toward empowerment" (everybody's oh-so tough and cool and hot, watch-out-for-me-I'm-in-your face) which (IMO) for women has meant being always provocative, provoking and looking to push buttons. Again, this does Not excuse the rapist, no-way-Jose. But if you're always gonna be lookin for a fight, so to speak, well, by george, at some point you're gonna get punched in the nose.
Sexually, our society has gone from repressive to progressive to obsessive. Too much sugar, baby, too much candy. Our teeth are starting to rot, but we're still licking our lips.
Wow, some people actually think that some 'rape victims' are actually evil women who try to get money out of a guy who had sex with her outside in the park and then laugh maniacally.
Well, sorry to break the bubble but most girls are often too ashamed to even go to the police so we should already give them credit if they have the courage to do so instead of feeding the fear they have of what people might think.
I know some of you might like to blaim the girl for getting raped because she got drunk or dressed provocatively but everybody tries to have a good time in pubs and get drunk and everybody wears their clothes according to the current ideal.
Guys get drunk all the time but have almost zero chance of getting raped by perverted sexually frustrated men and you can't blaim girls for dressing as everyone else because most of them are too insecure about themself to go against the general opinion of what is normal anyway.
Trust me.. It's not the girls' fault that people take advantage of them when they're vulnerable and then beat them up from the inside only to satisfy their instincts. And the idea of turning the victim role around is plain stupidity, not to mention, quite sad.
Originally posted by overlordGuys get drunk all the time but have almost zero chance of getting raped by perverted sexually frustrated men and you can't blaim girls for dressing as everyone else because most of them are too insecure about themself to go against the general opinion of what is normal anyway.
You can, actually. If someone ignorantly gets into a dangerous situation- that could have been avoided had they acted more responsibly- then they need to exercise more sense.
You can't blaim girls in the case of rape. They can't be paranoid to consider every guy interested in them as "a dangerous situation"
They're not expecting it and some were even interested in the guy in question and they often don't even report it because they blame themselves for being taken advantage of. Some even trusted the guy.
You can't expect all girls to be cautious at all times because it still is a taboo in a sense, especially when people are so stupid to say that girls should be more responsible.
But still most rape situations happen when they really can't do anything back and with a random pervert who will most likely never be caught at all.
Punishment for any form of this act should therefor be heavily encouraged.
Originally posted by overlord
You can't blaim girls in the case of rape.
No one is doing so. Read what is posted.
Originally posted by overlord
They can't be paranoid to consider every guy interested in them as "a dangerous situation"
Who insinuated this?
Originally posted by overlord
They're not expecting it and some were even interested in the guy in question and they often don't even report it because they blame themselves for being taken advantage of. Some even trusted the guy.
You can't expect all girls to be cautious at all times because it still is a taboo in a sense, especially when people are so stupid to say that girls should be more responsible.
Please don't make up a paragraph of BS that I didn't say, then tack on the thing that I did say, as if I am condoning the argument you yourself set up.
Originally posted by overlord
But still most rape situations happen when they really can't do anything back and with a random pervert who will most likely never be caught at all.
Punishment for any form of this act should therefor be heavily encouraged.
I'm sure we all agree with this. I'm not sure of the relevance to the rest of the post, but I can safely say this isn't a novel idea you just formulated.
It looks like you have a specific argument to make. Instead of pretending people are saying something so you can oppose them, why don't you just state your point.
I by no means find it surprising that alcohol is a factor in a lot of cases of sexual assault. Or any sort of assault or other criminal offense for that matter. It seems fairly intuitive, and naturally tends to make the whole matter more difficult to handle. The whole matter does tend to support my skeptical attitude towards drinking.
I am, however, frankly a little shocked by the tendency posters here seem to have to jump to conclusions about how these women are in fact responsible for the situation or that their allegations are false because the involvement of alcohol. I'm not saying it's not possible but to immediately jump to that position as soon as alcohol comes into the conversation, without any actual facts to back it up, is pretty horrifying.
If you need it factually laid out that getting dressed up like a curb-dweller and becoming dangerously intoxicated around men, is irresponsible, then I suggest joining us in the real world before commenting on the issue.
Nobody is saying this is always the case, but if it is, then the female has some responsibility.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If you need it factually laid out that getting dressed up like a curb-dweller and becoming dangerously intoxicated around men, is irresponsible, then I suggest joining us in the real world before commenting on the issue.Nobody is saying this is always the case, but if it is, then the female has some responsibility.
-AC
Agreed - Whose the girl in your sig AC she is hot.
Men have to be careful and realise some women will "cry rape" as well imo.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Agreed - Whose the girl in your si AC she is hot.Many have to be careful and realise some women will "cry rape" as well imo.
Exactly. Some girls will actually agree to have sex with a man they otherwise may not sleep with, not like it in the morning and to save face, say that they were forced upon (note the SOME, because I can see an idiot replying with "NOT ALL WOMEN CRY RAPE!" Yes I know, shut up).
And the girl is Adriana Lima.
-AC
Re: Re: A third of all "Rape" victims had been drinking
Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
SO? Still doesnt change the fact that its rape.
An allegation does not prove guilt of the person accused, so "No!" it's not a "fact that it's rape" till a court finds the accused guilty, and if the accuser is drunk it is that much harder to prove culpability on the part of the accused. It actually does not help victims in Rape cases.
What do you mean it's not relevant if she's been drinking? Of course it is.
If a sober woman makes a rape allegation, chances are that she was of able mind to realise she was being raped if she failed to stop it.
Under the influence of alcohol things tend to happen that you later regret and/or don't remember. It alters your mind state. Of course sobriety (or lack thereof) is relevant.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If you need it factually laid out that getting dressed up like a curb-dweller and becoming dangerously intoxicated around men, is irresponsible, then I suggest joining us in the real world before commenting on the issue.
-AC
Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
oh bullshit.......so now its her fault she wasn't sober enough to prevent the rape? You amaze me with that train of thought. Ive got better things to do than argue with someone whose train has clearly jumped the track. See Ya! bye
that's not what anyone has said, ACs argument is completely reasonable, all barristers for the defence would use it.