Originally posted by Victor Von DoomHold your horses with breaking my message in parts and calling it BS. I dissagreed with being able to blame a girl in any degree, even if she acts stupid and not cautiously.
No one is doing so. Read what is posted.Who insinuated this?
Please don't make up a paragraph of BS that I didn't say, then tack on the thing that I did say, as if I am condoning the argument you yourself set up.
I'm sure we all agree with this. I'm not sure of the relevance to the rest of the post, but I can safely say this isn't a novel idea you just formulated.
It looks like you have a specific argument to make. Instead of pretending people are saying something so you can oppose them, why don't you just state your point.
After that, I was attacking the general opinion of girls being stupid again. Don't think that I'm attacking you. Your message was much too vague to point out your opinion in that certain aspect.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There was nothing vague about what he said, you're just defending something that cannot be defended by saying that someone who is stupid and irresponsible still isn't to blame for it to any degree.-AC
Agreed.
Rape is always difficult to prosecutedue to the fact most Rape victims know the perpetrator, however if the person behaves irresponsibly it makes it still more difficult for numerous obvious reasons we have gone over already, not least "some" women make excuses for their own behaviour with the accusation of "rape".
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriComparing girls being taken advantage of whilst drunk shouldn't be compared to dangerous acts like falling asleep on railways anyway, so the message was vague to what he was trying to say.
There was nothing vague about what he said, you're just defending something that cannot be defended by saying that someone who is stupid and irresponsible still isn't to blame for it to any degree.-AC
Originally posted by overlord
Hold your horses with breaking my message in parts and calling it BS. I dissagreed with being able to blame a girl in any degree, even if she acts stupid and not cautiously.
My apologies if you were not addressing my post. You used the wording from my post, so you can understand the reasoning.
I am not sure anyone, bar perhaps Kidrock, is presenting the argument against which you rail.
It's not a matter of blame; it is a matter of responsibility. If someone acts in such a way as to increase the chances of a negative consequence, then to that degree they have acted irresponsibly. It does not extenuate the actions of the attacker, but it does lack common sense.
You can't really assert the 'I'll do and wear what I like' argument without acknowledging that it will possibly attract adverse attention.
Okay, I'll break it down again what I'm trying to point out:
Every degree of putting blame on a girl for acting irresponsibly by consuming alcohol should be discouraged as you can't expect them to be this cautious at all times.
We all go out, all go a bit too far with liquor some times but nobody can expect that someone will try to take advantage of you in this kind of way.
Originally posted by overlord
Okay, I'll break it down again what I'm trying to point out:Every degree of putting blame on a girl for acting irresponsibly by consuming alcohol should be discouraged as you can't expect them to be this cautious at all times.
We all go out, all go a bit too far with liquor some times but nobody can expect that someone will try to take advantage of you in this kind of way.
That's fine. It's not helpful though.
If you remove responsibility, you remove care.
If someone is careless, they can get into trouble.
You should expect to be taken advantage of in a potentially risky situation, otherwise you are being naive, and therein lies the additional risk.
Originally posted by overlord
Okay, I'll break it down again what I'm trying to point out:Every degree of putting blame on a girl for acting irresponsibly by consuming alcohol should be discouraged as you can't expect them to be this cautious at all times.
We all go out, all go a bit too far with liquor some times but nobody can expect that someone will try to take advantage of you in this kind of way.
Well it's not like it'S thir fault that they got raped...they could have behaved in a different manner though and maybe prevent it by that. I mean it would be wonderful if the world was a place like that where girls could wander the streets at night wearing the shortest dresses getting completely wasted without a chance of them getting raped but it isn't .....so everyone has to rtake care of themself too....(reminds me of a 7th heaven episode)
Well, people start going out and most probably are naive and expect everything to be oh so fun.
Some are either new to it or go too far but I think it's important that we all stop putting too much blame on their shoulders and come up with "I told you so" and "Well, you shouldn't have dressed like a **** then"
Because of commonly stated opinions like that, the girls will just be ashamed and often be even more scared to report while these guys know fully well that she doesn't put out signals wich tell them to go **** her.
Well, just contributing to the thread..
I hope people won't get mad that I stated my opinion to this aspect.
Originally posted by overlord
Well, people start going out and most probably are naive and expect everything to be oh so fun.
Some are either new to it or go too far but I think it's important that we all stop putting too much blame on their shoulders and come up with "I told you so" and "Well, you shouldn't have dressed like a **** then"Because of commonly stated opinions like that, the girls will just be ashamed and often be even more scared to report while these guys know fully well that she doesn't put out signals wich tell them to go **** her.
Well, just contributing to the thread..
I hope people won't get mad that I stated my opinion to this aspect.
I don't think anyone is expecting them to be raped, and then to say 'I told you so': the point is more that if it weren't such a taboo to say 'Actually, it's not that smart to act irresponsibly in risky situations', then a lot of rapes and attacks could be avoided.
Originally posted by overlord
Well, people start going out and most probably are naive and expect everything to be oh so fun.
Some are either new to it or go too far but I think it's important that we all stop putting too much blame on their shoulders and come up with "I told you so" and "Well, you shouldn't have dressed like a **** then"Because of commonly stated opinions like that, the girls will just be ashamed and often be even more scared to report while these guys know fully well that she doesn't put out signals wich tell them to go **** her.
Well, just contributing to the thread..
I hope people won't get mad that I stated my opinion to this aspect.
That's also a part of the problem! All those damn taboo's.. If there would just be more attention to these dangers before kids turn sixteen and are allowed to drink then it would also help considerably.
But no.. Schools are afraid to touch common subjects like sex. Instead of teaching neutrally and educating appropriately, they let religion have a much too great influence.
Originally posted by overlord
That's also a part of the problem! All those damn taboo's.. If there would just be more attention to these dangers before kids turn sixteen and are allowed to drink then it would also help considerably.But no.. Schools are afraid to touch common subjects like sex. Instead of teaching neutrally and educating appropriately, they let religion have a much too great influence.
In England Religion has little or no influence and schools try, it's a culture of the ignorant here 🙁
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriWow, you must one frustrated teenager or something that you just won't let me contribute to a thread.
Yeah so all that aside, are you ready to join us in the real world and admit that acting stupid, careless and irresponsible means you are partially to blame?Because it's due to attitudes such as yours that rapes are too frequent.
-AC
And if you really feel so much hatred towards girls who are naive enough to dress like the mass and act like the crowd then I feel very sorry for you.. 🙁