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Originally posted by olympianhes done that to him already. look at JLA vs AVENGERS #2 in that comic book superman and thor go at it. thor gives him a big challenge big time. but superman was the last one standing.
And who is denying that? It can go either way.Saying he would -never- be able to do that, would be selling him short.
Originally posted by Juntai
[B]I dunno, without being powered up by Death or the IG, or HOTU, or Cosmic cubes or whatever else, Superman would probably give Thanos a hell of a run though I'm not sure if he'd win or not, when Surfer went into superspeed to snatch the glove of Thanos' hand.
1] Permanent power up by Death - Thanos Quest #1
After that, he was never powered up by her again. His curse by her prevents him from dying, not from being K.O.ed.
Superman would have trouble with the old Thanos; the one that fought Thor and Thing at once. Current Thanos slaps Supes around like he does Surfer, Thor, and Drax.
Thanos couldn't even throw a full punch by the time he went by[interplanetary mind you]. When it's all added up Superman's speed strength durability and cunning in battle are nearly unrivaled. . He's a hell of a combination.
That's funny since Lobo, Mongul, and Metallo have all tagged/bust Supes up. WW and Captain Marvel have also taken shots from Supes without being K.O.ed. Speed and strength is going to overpower Thanos?
Originally posted by Beyonder"That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed."
That's funny since Lobo, Mongul, and Metallo have all tagged/bust Supes up. WW and Captain Marvel have also taken shots from Supes without being K.O.ed. Speed and strength is going to overpower Thanos?
Originally posted by Juntai
"That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed."
Thanos turned a Skrull into stone just by blinking his eyes. Supes gets turned to stone. Thanos knocked Galactus on his ass on one shot. Supes gets blasted to death.
Thanos blinked and imprisoned Odin in a force block - without using a gun. You may claim that it's a contridiction to when he used the gun, but Thanos himself said he hadn't perfected it right after he shot WM Thor. And there was an entire issue between when he shot Thor and his fight with Odin. When he imprisonned Odin, it was without any gun. Supes get trapped as well.
<<They dont need to use strenght usually. They dont have as many appearances either. But just for grabs, Zeus without going all out has done to Thor what Superman in JLA/Avengers didnt do.
Cassually putting down Thor without straining.
Ko Namor with one move.
Ko immortal Herc with two.>>
true. but don't forget herc ko'd zeus (non-canon) but still . . .
If anyone post lists of Supes' feats, keep in mind pre-crisis S was just ridiculous, he is gone, forget him. People also giving heavy props to Thanos need to see again how he was taking his best shots at Odin, and the AllFather was still smacking him around.
And this whole SupermanvsThor-JLA/Avengers thing - we are supposed to debate on the merits of their abilities, not influenced by crossover compromises and such.
If first meetings are supposed to dicate all meetings forever on, then Lobo beats Superman always! 🙄
Originally posted by roughrider
If anyone post lists of Supes' feats, keep in mind pre-crisis S was just ridiculous, he is gone, forget him. People also giving heavy props to Thanos need to see again how he was taking his best shots at Odin, and the AllFather was still smacking him around.
And this whole SupermanvsThor-JLA/Avengers thing - we are supposed to debate on the merits of their abilities, not influenced by crossover compromises and such.
If first meetings are supposed to dicate all meetings forever on, then Lobo beats Superman always! 🙄
i think all those feats are POST crisis . . .
"true. but don't forget herc ko'd zeus (non-canon) but still . . ."
Good call. I have that fight. There is only three "problems" besides the non cannon part.
1) Zeus wasent ko by Hercs final berserk attack. He was conscious.
2) Zeus didnt fought back the moment Hercules went berserk. And while one could say that he couldnt, i belive it wasent the case. Considering Zeus got up just fine after the attack, and told him it was all a test for him to become the new ruler of olympus.
...Wich was confirmed, when panels after, Zeus leaves this plane of existence where the other gods wer already. Leaving Herc on his new task.
3) Zeus prior to Herc gone berserk was only going physically with him, and made one of Herc`s eye and arm useless.
Plus the Avengers one its canon.
herc looked ready to finish zeus off in that fight. thor also had a months' long battle 1on1 with zeus and thor was badly weakened in that avengers confrontation or it might have ended differently. either way, the avengers DID pose a challenge to zeus who was getting frustrated AND angry before he finally finished them.
Originally posted by roughrider
If anyone post lists of Supes' feats, keep in mind pre-crisis S was just ridiculous, he is gone, forget him. People also giving heavy props to Thanos need to see again how he was taking his best shots at Odin, and the AllFather was still smacking him around.
And this whole SupermanvsThor-JLA/Avengers thing - we are supposed to debate on the merits of their abilities, not influenced by crossover compromises and such.
If first meetings are supposed to dicate all meetings forever on, then Lobo beats Superman always! 🙄
All post crisis feats RR supes really is that Super.
"herc looked ready to finish zeus off in that fight"
Wich was Zeus plan all along. He wanted to see the decision his son would make (being a murderous leader or a righteous one). Considering he got up without problems when Herc made his decision, ill take he could have done that when he wished for it.
"thor also had a months' long battle 1on1 with zeus "
One where all Zeus wanted was to make him busy so he wouldnt interfear with the Trojan War. Thor didnt had any advantage in the fight.
How we know Zeus didnt even wanted to kill him or get him badly injured?
With the following quotes :
"My Thunderbolts will not slay thee, nor are they meant to".
and:
" Thy death be inscribed from time out of mind in the book or ragnarok"
Right in the second page of the fight. All this saying of course Thor did had a great showing. Nothing weird for who at the time has made Ego and Galactus fleed for theyr life.
"and thor was badly weakened in that avengers confrontation or it might have ended differently"
Weaker yes. But if anything he only went down faster than he did in the last one. Both times he didnt do anything.
Plus Hela`s curse didnt actually let him die iirc. She wanted him to live forever with his weaker bones that could be broken. Thus why he need to wear his armour.
"the avengers DID pose a challenge to zeus who was getting frustrated AND angry before he finally finished them"
Frustated because they wouldnt aknowlege defeat. And of course it finished when he had enough pretty quick. Not to mention the Avengers wer (most of them) knocked out more than once in that story, including fellow gods.
Originally posted by olympian
"herc looked ready to finish zeus off in that fight"Wich was Zeus plan all along. He wanted to see the decision his son would make (being a murderous leader or a righteous one). Considering he got up without problems when Herc made his decision, ill take he could have done that when he wished for it.
"thor also had a months' long battle 1on1 with zeus "
One where all Zeus wanted was to make him busy so he wouldnt interfear with the Trojan War. Thor didnt had any advantage in the fight.
How we know Zeus didnt even wanted to kill him or get him badly injured?
With the following quotes :
"My Thunderbolts will not slay thee, nor are they meant to".
and:
" Thy death be inscribed from time out of mind in the book or ragnarok"
Right in the second page of the fight. All this saying of course Thor did had a great showing. Nothing weird for who at the time has made Ego and Galactus fleed for theyr life.
"and thor was badly weakened in that avengers confrontation or it might have ended differently"
Weaker yes. But if anything he only went down faster than he did in the last one. Both times he didnt do anything.
Plus Hela`s curse didnt actually let him die iirc. She wanted him to live forever with his weaker bones that could be broken. Thus why he need to wear his armour.
"the avengers DID pose a challenge to zeus who was getting frustrated AND angry before he finally finished them"
Frustated because they wouldnt aknowlege defeat imo.
thor did have a great showing. zeus admits he COULDN'T kill thor. an odd thing that i had forgotten. zeus did still look quite out of it when herc was ready to whack him with the axe and he didn't get up right way. no way to tell if herc could have finished it, but it did look that way.
frustrated because he couldn't beat them anywhere near as easily as he'd expected, iMo . . .