"Shouldn't the Thanos vs. Odin fight be a low showing for Odin also then?"
No, because Odin didnt used his full power either. They usually use theyr full power against beings such as Surtur, classic Mangog, full powered Thyphon, Set, Celestials and such.
Thanos otoh considering he is quite above the top tier especially where durability is concerned (wich was what was impressive against Odin, not his raw power).
Originally posted by Arabian Knight
Which is almost always PIS/CIS. That isn't a good thing, and it doesn't change the fact that anyone near superman's level has 0% chance against any skyfather.
true, nuff, but perhaps skyfathers aren't quite as powerful as so many seem to think they are. even wiki (non-canon/unofficial, but still . . . has him listed as CONSIDERABLY less than galactus) their very high showings and their lower showings are likely pretty much equal. thanos CLEARLY demonstrated more fear and respect for galactus than odin, and g dealt with thanos swiftly -- one shot through his shield, next would have ended him. odin . . . no where near so good. and i love all the 'odin didn't fight at his best' stuff i always hear, or, 'his power shook the multiverse'. 🙄 well, odin was also manhandled/'killed' once by mangog, (a non-cosmic whom thor himself defeated) has been tricked/trapped by loki (non-cosmic), did ZERO damage to a single celestial (even working with other skyfathers) that was threatening asgard, had to have his sould saved by hela, was contolled by egyptian gods, was possessed by surtur and apparently slain by surtur, had a very tough time v the dark gods along with other low-end showings that i can't recall off hand. zeus has RARELY had ANY 'high-end' showings.
as far as olympian's take on what happened in some of those issues we'll agree to disagree on some of them. we've been over them before so it's an old debate. good showings by top tier heroes against skyfathers is self-evident though, so perhaps people are once again overestimating skyfathers in general.
though 1on1 odin would still beat supes rather easily.
Again. Things to take in consideration.
"true, nuff, but perhaps skyfathers aren't quite as powerful as so many seem to think they are. even wiki (non-canon/unofficial, but still . . . has him listed as CONSIDERABLY less than galactus"
Holds much water as handbooks Leo. Odin wakeaned once ko with one punch, Ulik who is sligh above cl 90 considering his fights with Thor. And what is the rating he gets in the hanbooks? And they are less than Galactus in some showings. And others rougly on par.
"thanos CLEARLY demonstrated more fear and respect for galactus than odin"
And? he shouldnt?
"and i love all the 'odin didn't fight at his best' stuff i always hear, or, 'his power shook the multiverse'. "
Read the stories and youll see both are true.
"Mangog (a non-cosmic whom thor himself defeated"
Mangog not portraited with the same power levels. You can see that by reading his prior fights.
Here is a link where you can see Silver Age mangog including the "fight" Odin just did better.
http://superherochat.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=93025&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=600
"did ZERO damage to a single celestial (even working with other skyfathers) that was threatening asgard"
Obvioulsy. The power difference is quite considerable. Would anyone expect they would be able to? Galactus isent above them in most showings either.
"tough time v the dark gods along with other low-end showings that i can't recall off hand"
And its those low showings that keep him from getting higher in the cosmic ranting.
"zeus has RARELY had ANY 'high-end' showings."
He doesnt have a regular comic or apperances either. OTOH he rarely has any low showing either, and definatly not in the leagues Odin has.
"as far as olympian's take on what happened in some of those issues we'll agree to disagree on some of them. we've been over them before so it's an old debate."
No problem. The scans show pretty much what i want.
"so perhaps people are once again overestimating skyfathers in general"
Theyr placed just fine. Way above the top tier and below the cosmics. (altho some like Stranger are sligh below, with losses against Thor and hades, for example).
Originally posted by olympian
"Shouldn't the Thanos vs. Odin fight be a low showing for Odin also then?"No, because Odin didnt used his full power either. They usually use theyr full power against beings such as Surtur, classic Mangog, full powered Thyphon, Set, Celestials and such.
Thanos otoh considering he is quite above the top tier especially where durability is concerned (wich was what was impressive against Odin, not his raw power).
Actually, I take it different from you. Thanos is freaken durable and so Odin not putting down Thanos does not prove Odin is weak or that he wasn't using for power. He put both Drax and Surfer down in one shot each, and Thanos survived shots after shots. Thanos could barely move Odin while Odin sent Thanos across Asgard. It was a high showing of durability that Thanos displayed, much like every others he's shown. In no way did Thanos show he hurt or pose a threat to Odin. Thanos' output is not skyfather level.
leonidas quote: (post)true, nuff, but perhaps skyfathers aren't quite as powerful as so many seem to think they are. even wiki (non-canon/unofficial, but still . . . has him listed as CONSIDERABLY less than galactus) their very high showings and their lower showings are likely pretty much equal. thanos CLEARLY demonstrated more fear and respect for galactus than odin, and g dealt with thanos swiftly -- one shot through his shield, next would have ended him. odin . . . no where near so good. and i love all the 'odin didn't fight at his best' stuff i always hear, or, 'his power shook the multiverse'.
It's not a low showing for Odin at all. Galactus is above Cube Beings who are above Skyfathers. It be crazy if Thanos was afraid of Odin more than Galactus. If you looked at both Beyonder V. Kubik and Beyonder V. Molecule Man, they were messing with the universe and planes of reality were destroyed in their fight.
well, odin was also manhandled/'killed' once by mangog, (a non-cosmic whom thor himself defeated) has been tricked/trapped by loki (non-cosmic), did ZERO damage to a single celestial
When was he manhandled by Mangog? Silver Age Mangog was freed by Loki, only for Mangog to trap Loki. He stomped through Frost Giants and the army of Asgard, including Thor. SA Odin showed up and stopped Mangog by bringing the billions of soul that died at Odin's hand/curse.
As for the Celestials, Kubik even stated that they (him & Kosmos) are nothing compared to the Celestials or the one Celestial they encountered. Nothing's taken away from the skyfather's. Celestials physical forms are only shells for them to operate in the normal universe. They also rank higher than the Watchers as well.
(even working with other skyfathers) that was threatening asgard, had to have his sould saved by hela, was contolled by egyptian gods, was possessed by surtur and apparently slain by surtur, had a very tough time v the dark gods along with other low-end showings that i can't recall off hand. zeus has RARELY had ANY 'high-end' showings.
Surtur is a peer of his. And secondly, Odin has also controlled Surtur and used him as an instrument to fight Ymir. Surtur even needed the Twilight Sword to have an edge over Odin. He did have a hard time with the Dark Gods. But how does that take away from him since Thor was a kid. The Dark Gods had their own skyfather level being along with Perrikus. Odin & Asgard still came out on top and trapped the Dark Gods. Odin himself stomped a handful of Enchanters, one was enough to beat Thor's ass.
though 1on1 odin would still beat supes rather easily.
With Odin hand behand his back.
Originally posted by Beyonder
It's not a low showing for Odin at all. Galactus is above Cube Beings who are above Skyfathers. It be crazy if Thanos was afraid of Odin more than Galactus. If you looked at both Beyonder V. Kubik and Beyonder V. Molecule Man, they were messing with the universe and planes of reality were destroyed in their fight.When was he manhandled by Mangog? Silver Age Mangog was freed by Loki, only for Mangog to trap Loki. He stomped through Frost Giants and the army of Asgard, including Thor. SA Odin showed up and stopped Mangog by bringing the billions of soul that died at Odin's hand/curse.
As for the Celestials, Kubik even stated that they (him & Kosmos) are nothing compared to the Celestials or the one Celestial they encountered. Nothing's taken away from the skyfather's. Celestials physical forms are only shells for them to operate in the normal universe. They also rank higher than the Watchers as well.
Surtur is a peer of his. And secondly, Odin has also controlled Surtur and used him as an instrument to fight Ymir. Surtur even needed the Twilight Sword to have an edge over Odin. He did have a hard time with the Dark Gods. But how does that take away from him since Thor was a kid. The Dark Gods had their own skyfather level being along with Perrikus. Odin & Asgard still came out on top and trapped the Dark Gods. Odin himself stomped a handful of Enchanters, one was enough to beat Thor's ass.
With Odin hand behand his back.
wasn't that thanos was MORE afraid of g -- he didn't seem to fear odin at all -- in fact he seemed to look forward to the battle. and surely he should have had SOME fear for one whose power has 'shaken the multiverse'. 🙄 one writer makes one ridiculous comment and everyone latches onto it and claims it as a feat. again, bullcrap. i like your take of the thanos fight though, b. sounds plausible -- more plausible than 'odin didn't fight at his max . . .'
as for when he was manhandled by mangog -- early thor. 196-198. i have ONE of the issues. mangog was a bad ass, no doubt, but again, thor beat him on his own. it's arguable whether he was portrayed different then and now. and about the celestials -- it DOES take away a bit when you consider thor busted open exitar then busted up his brain dome. invsible woman ALSO had a good showing v the celestials. and why should surtur be a peer? odin's power is far more versatile. surtur is a fire giant. odin is far more. odin did end up doing well v the dark gods. all's im saying is odin's power has been frequently shown to be limited relative to cosmics. looking at his average displays of power, it is the 'multiverse shaking' power levels (yes i have the issue where he battles set . . .) that should be considered pis moreso than the lower showings.
not sure why i'm going on about it since i still think odin deals easily with supes, but it's made for some interesting convo.
oh, and happy new year, all! 😄
Originally posted by leonidas
wasn't that thanos was MORE afraid of g -- he didn't seem to fear odin at all -- in fact he seemed to look forward to the battle. and surely he should have had SOME fear for one whose power has 'shaken the multiverse'. 🙄 one writer makes one ridiculous comment and everyone latches onto it and claims it as a feat. again, bullcrap. i like your take of the thanos fight though, b. sounds plausible -- more plausible than 'odin didn't fight at his max . . .'as for when he was manhandled by mangog -- early thor. 196-198. i have ONE of the issues. mangog was a bad ass, no doubt, but again, thor beat him on his own. it's arguable whether he was portrayed different then and now. and about the celestials -- it DOES take away a bit when you consider thor busted open exitar then busted up his brain dome. invsible woman ALSO had a good showing v the celestials. and why should surtur be a peer? odin's power is far more versatile. surtur is a fire giant. odin is far more. odin did end up doing well v the dark gods. all's im saying is odin's power has been frequently shown to be limited relative to cosmics. looking at his average displays of power, it is the 'multiverse shaking' power levels (yes i have the issue where he battles set . . .) that should be considered pis moreso than the lower showings.
not sure why i'm going on about it since i still think odin deals easily with supes, but it's made for some interesting convo.
oh, and happy new year, all! 😄
You see all the inconsistances in marvel writing 🙂 thats the problem Leo and thats why I am going to wind them all up with - Who has Odin ever beaten apart from Thanos who is a jobber a lot of the time, not as much of a jobber as Darksied has become but still a Jobber. In fact Odin himself is a jobber, Supes character shieds mean he wins. We need character shields on this forum!!!
Originally posted by leonidas
i like supes . . . 😕seriously whirly, i don't see it. his victory over darkseid is a good one, but 'seid only fought h2h. IF the skyfathers only fought him h2h I'd give him a chance -- though everyone will say -- THEY CAN AMP TO INFINITY. bullcrap.
they CAN alter reality and do all sorts of other nasty things to him IF they are written correctly. 🙁
" IF the skyfathers only fought him h2h I'd give him a chance -- though everyone will say -- THEY CAN AMP TO INFINITY. bullcrap."
Like usual Leon, i agree (Especially about the 'Infinite power' bullcrap!)
King Thor would probably melt supes, with a Adamantium destroying blast, but in H2H, I think it would be close !
This thread has once again been taken completely out of context, by those who are consistent posters on the 'Superman is the worst character ever' thread. 😉
Originally posted by Fishy 500
" IF the skyfathers only fought him h2h I'd give him a chance -- though everyone will say -- THEY CAN AMP TO INFINITY. bullcrap."Like usual Leon, i agree (Especially about the 'Infinite power' bullcrap!)
King Thor would probably melt supes, with a Adamantium destroying blast, but in H2H, I think it would be close !
This thread has once again been taken completely out of context, by those who are consistent posters on the 'Superman is the worst character ever' thread. 😉
agreed 🙂 those special people that like characters whose titles always get cancelled.
Originally posted by Fishy 500
" IF the skyfathers only fought him h2h I'd give him a chance -- though everyone will say -- THEY CAN AMP TO INFINITY. bullcrap."Like usual Leon, i agree (Especially about the 'Infinite power' bullcrap!)
King Thor would probably melt supes, with a Adamantium destroying blast, but in H2H, I think it would be close !
This thread has once again been taken completely out of context, by those who are consistent posters on the 'Superman is the worst character ever' thread. 😉
😂
these kinds of threads seem to ALWAYS be taken out of context. but it has spurred some decent discussion, which is something of a plus! 😉
Originally posted by Fishy 500
" IF the skyfathers only fought him h2h I'd give him a chance -- though everyone will say -- THEY CAN AMP TO INFINITY. bullcrap."Like usual Leon, i agree (Especially about the 'Infinite power' bullcrap!)
King Thor would probably melt supes, with a Adamantium destroying blast, but in H2H, I think it would be close !
This thread has once again been taken completely out of context, by those who are consistent posters on the 'Superman is the worst character ever' thread. 😉
hey thor is better then supes in h2h department ....... 😉