Superman vs King Thor/ Any Sky Father

Started by olympian14 pages

"thor did have a great showing. zeus admits he COULDN'T kill thor"

Because he wasent meant to. Thats clear in the story.

"zeus did still look quite out of it when herc was ready to whack him with the axe and he didn't get up right way. no way to tell if herc could have finished it, but it did look that way"

He was down, bloodied and asking Hercules what would his decision be. Rule by the axe or heart. Herc lets the axe fall on the floor and in the next panel Zeus is holding his son (blinded of one eye and with an useless arm) smiling and without any marks of battle.

"frustrated because he couldn't beat them anywhere near as easily as he'd expected, iMo . . ."

Except anytime they tried they would get ko. And at the beginning he was doing it casually.

Even the Avenger who was stated to -hurt- Zeus by giving all she had (Captain Marvel/Photon) was amazed he was standing up, and without any injuries. When they all dogpiled at him, one move made them all go down.
They had a pretty good showing, yes. But not one where i see Zeus had any real trouble of beating them. Likewise for his fights with Thor.

Getting frustated because he -couldnt- would imply he was doing his best. Wich wasent the case.

Getting frustated because say someone like Thanos like in his fight with odin wasent going down as easily as he would expect, while using a high range of his power its valid.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
All post crisis feats RR supes really is that Super.

I'm not doubting Supes post-crisis ( 1986 on) is still super. Things proceeded on a steady, more consistent level since then; the wacko days of him pulling some new power out of his backside - so the writer gets out of a jam - to end things, doing something unimaginable etc. I don't like to see as evidence in the debates anymore. At least we put PC Supes in his own threads, but I gave up debating in those. All the crazy issues past, what can you say?

So, people honestly believe Superman has a chance against a Sky Father?

Originally posted by long pigg
So, people honestly believe Superman has a chance against a Sky Father?

Not me.

If you take everything away that makes a "skyfather" a "skyfather" then you have Superman.

Strong/fast/mid-high level output and nothing else. SFs all have that as a base level.

Originally posted by long pigg
So, people honestly believe Superman has a chance against a Sky Father?

Not me either. Only his die haed fans do. ๐Ÿ™„

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Superman losses to Silver surfer due to a technicality i.e. absorption of radiation/ the creation of Kryptonite.

Power/strength/ durability wise Superman rapes Surfer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ๐Ÿ™‚

Why is Sufer using his powers a technicality? Bias?

Anyway, Regular Thor would beat the mess outta Supes and so would King Thor. The Skyfathers would murder Supes and then feel bad about beating up on a helpless opponent.

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Not me either. Only his die haed fans do. ๐Ÿ™„

Awww crap... Pulled a Thorv... haed = hard

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Awww crap... Pulled a Thorv... haed = hard

Ah, Thorv... ๐Ÿ˜†

Originally posted by long pigg
So, people honestly believe Superman has a chance against a Sky Father?

Yup!! ๐Ÿ™‚ only the Supes haters seem to think he doesn't ๐Ÿ™‚

Imperiex
Darkseid
Angels all fodder for the man of steel.

"So, people honestly believe Superman has a chance against a Sky Father?"

As much as Thor, Surfer and the like have. Wich granted isent much.

"Darkseid"

DS a Skyfather? That was pre crisis where he used to beat Supes left and right. Post Crisis he isent.

"Angels all fodder for the man of steel"

Depending the Angel. Wich one did he fought that was skyfather level? Asmodel?

What did he do, besides that fight with electro Superman.

Originally posted by olympian
"thor did have a great showing. zeus admits he COULDN'T kill thor"

Because he wasent meant to. Thats clear in the story.

"zeus did still look quite out of it when herc was ready to whack him with the axe and he didn't get up right way. no way to tell if herc could have finished it, but it did look that way"

He was down, bloodied and asking Hercules what would his decision be. Rule by the axe or heart. Herc lets the axe fall on the floor and in the next panel Zeus is holding his son (blinded of one eye and with an useless arm) smiling and without any marks of battle.

"frustrated because he couldn't beat them anywhere near as easily as he'd expected, iMo . . ."

Except anytime they tried they would get ko. And at the beginning he was doing it casually.

Even the Avenger who was stated to -hurt- Zeus by giving all she had (Captain Marvel/Photon) was amazed he was standing up, and without any injuries. When they all dogpiled at him, one move made them all go down.
They had a pretty good showing, yes. But not one where i see Zeus had any real trouble of beating them. Likewise for his fights with Thor.

Getting frustated because he -couldnt- would imply he was doing his best. Wich wasent the case.

Getting frustated because say someone like Thanos like in his fight with odin wasent going down as easily as he would expect, while using a high range of his power its valid.

stop ruining things. you had it right earlier when you stated in YOUR OPINION. mine is different. zeus was plenty po'd in that fight with the avengers. even thor says cm hurt him unlike any mortal ever has. regardless of whether he 'showed pain' or not. i'll take thor's word over your interpretation. and MAYBE zeus could have stopped herc. didn't look like it to me, though it's an obvious question if the axe would have been enough to truly kill zeus. in any event, there is no reason why even if zeus DID die his plan couldn't have been achieved. herc would have went on about his business forgetting zeus eventually and siring new gods.

as for thor -- he's saying he wasn't destined to be the one to kill thor so he couldn't? doesn't really fly. if that were the case thor was never in any danger from ANY villain at ANY time. i suppose ultimately (though ragnarok came about in a different way from the legends) it was true, but there is no way that explanation is a sufficient one.

avengers -- good showing, hurt zeus
thor -- good showing 1on1
herc -- good showing 1on1

would thanos do better against all the avengers and a full strength thor and herc? prolly not, not the showings are not very inconsistent.

Originally posted by long pigg
So, people honestly believe Superman has a chance against a Sky Father?

not anyone in their right mind. but skyfathers HAVE been challenged by beings who are NOT cosmics in the past.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Yup!! ๐Ÿ™‚ only the Supes haters seem to think he doesn't ๐Ÿ™‚

Imperiex
Darkseid
Angels all fodder for the man of steel.

i like supes . . . ๐Ÿ˜•

seriously whirly, i don't see it. his victory over darkseid is a good one, but 'seid only fought h2h. IF the skyfathers only fought him h2h i'd give him a chance -- though everyone will say -- THEY CAN AMP TO INFINITY. bullcrap.

they CAN alter reality and do all sorts of other nasty things to him IF they are written correctly. ๐Ÿ™

"zeus was plenty po'd in that fight with the avengers"

The only time he was -getting- pissed was in the end right before Ko his son in two moves. He stopped when he saw it was Hercules who he put down. Until then, he dealt with all of them casually.

"even thor says cm hurt him unlike any mortal ever has"

Already said that. Its true. And yet he was what we all could call : fine. Futhermore, since that was theyr best shot that still did nothing, it doesnt get from me a showing with problems.

"as for thor -- he's saying he wasn't destined to be the one to kill thor so he couldn't?"

No. Hes saying he belives in the -fates- and Ragnarok (and Thors part on it). And so wont use enough power to kill or ko him.

The main point of the story was his vow that no God would interfer in the Trojan War. And that was what he did. He stopped Thor intend to do so, by keeping him busy as long the War was going on.

"would thanos do better against all the avengers and a full strength thor and herc? prolly not, not the showings are not very inconsistent."

Thanos showings are pretty consistence. Against -that- team? He would.

Originally posted by leonidas
not anyone in their right mind. but skyfathers HAVE been challenged by beings who are NOT cosmics in the past.

Which is almost always PIS/CIS. That isn't a good thing, and it doesn't change the fact that anyone near superman's level has 0% chance against any skyfather.

Who exactly? Avengers? Hercules? Thor?

To pose a challenge you have to do what Thanos did. Less than that are merely atempts. And of course im counting on the fact, that either Zeus and Odin are actually figthing back.

Here is btw the Thor/Zeus fight that some refer as "low showing" for zeus.

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/562/fa5cd6dbjpgorig4hq0yr4mb.jpg

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/8166/fa5cd6d1jpgorig0hh6ii8ur.jpg

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/9057/fa5cd6cajpgorig7kg1wk1iy.jpg

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/2282/fa5ccf5bjpgorig5np6hw6nl.jpg

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/8833/fa5ccf50jpgorig6gt6yb9yj.jpg

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/8318/fa5ccf48jpgorig7io5fn2pc.jpg

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/4936/fa5cc8fajpgorig0zi9fj8wf.jpg

Note the first page where the statements im talking about are. And how the fight went. Thor did nothing.

And the Avengers one. Zeus was "hurt" twice.

Here:

http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/6842/avengersv123284178nt.jpg

Ironically enough, she tries again a much powerful blast that does:

http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/9382/avengersv123284187zl.jpg
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/6598/avengersv123284206il.jpg

Nothing. And this is the only part that is jobbing. A minor sneak light attack gets that reaction -but- a following blast like that doesnt? Thor who is more powerful did -nothing- in both figths, powerwise and physically.

Heck she even says she went easy in the only blast that got his reaction? ๐Ÿ˜›

And the second one :

http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/5702/avengers285079oo.jpg

Where the Ebony mystic blade manages to send one of Zeus thunderbolts back at him.

Wich was -after- Zeus ko the Avengers crew once more. Notice how even She Hulk says he let them regain consious?

Top tiers are nothing but attention seekers to Skyfathers. I give them that much.

Originally posted by olympian

And the Avengers one. Zeus was "hurt" twice.

.

Wow, he's smashing Namor there.

Meh, at least he noted his blow. ๐Ÿ˜›

Must have felt like an ant crawling on your back.

Originally posted by olympian
Who exactly? Avengers? Hercules? Thor?

To pose a challenge you have to do what Thanos did. Less than that are merely atempts. And of course im counting on the fact, that either Zeus and Odin are actually figthing back.

Here is btw the Thor/Zeus fight that some refer as "low showing" for zeus.

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/562/fa5cd6dbjpgorig4hq0yr4mb.jpg

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/8166/fa5cd6d1jpgorig0hh6ii8ur.jpg

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/9057/fa5cd6cajpgorig7kg1wk1iy.jpg

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/2282/fa5ccf5bjpgorig5np6hw6nl.jpg

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/8833/fa5ccf50jpgorig6gt6yb9yj.jpg

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/8318/fa5ccf48jpgorig7io5fn2pc.jpg

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/4936/fa5cc8fajpgorig0zi9fj8wf.jpg

Note the first page where the statements im talking about are. And how the fight went. Thor did nothing.

And the Avengers one. Zeus was "hurt" twice.

Here:

http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/6842/avengersv123284178nt.jpg

Ironically enough, she tries again a much powerful blast that does:

http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/9382/avengersv123284187zl.jpg
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/6598/avengersv123284206il.jpg

Nothing. And this is the only part that is jobbing. A minor sneak light attack gets that reaction -but- a following blast like that doesnt? Thor who is more powerful did -nothing- in both figths, powerwise and physically.

Heck she even says she went easy in the only blast that got his reaction? ๐Ÿ˜›

And the second one :

http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/5702/avengers285079oo.jpg

Where the Ebony mystic blade manages to send one of Zeus thunderbolts back at him.

Wich was -after- Zeus ko the Avengers crew once more. Notice how even She Hulk says he let them regain consious?

Top tiers are nothing but attention seekers to Skyfathers. I give them that much.

Shouldn't the Thanos vs. Odin fight be a low showing for Odin also then? ๐Ÿ˜•

Originally posted by dvampire
Shouldn't the Thanos vs. Odin fight be a low showing for Odin also then? ๐Ÿ˜•

Nope.

Thanos is above Supes/Surfer. ๐Ÿ™‚

Thanos did fairly well against Odin.

Thanos is the bridge between Herald level and Skyfather level. ๐Ÿ˜‰