The Ancient Sith Empire vs. The Yuuzhan Vong

Who would take this one?

Advantages:
Sith:
1. much more freedom when it comes to direction
2. The Dark Side sorcery bit
3. as they have a cluster of worlds, easy to defend and plan, if they have a strong Lord.

The Vong:
1. Numbers, far more than the Sith, a whole galaxy's worth.
2. Inventive. The Shaper and priest castes are always bringing out new weaponry.
3. Unable to be affected by most powers of and undetectable via the Force. It's unlikely strict adherents to the Dark Side could actually sense them.
4. Totally unselfish: They'll build a rampart of their dead to fight over, a Sith wouldn't ever willingly give his life.

It's hard to tell, but when it comes to ground battles, the Sith can't afford to sacrifice troops out of sheer numbers. This is a tough matchup. Your thoughts?

Since the Force, Dark or Light, would be ineffective against the Vong in general, (except for techniques that are only fueled by the Force, but still cause harm..i.e Lightning,) And since I'm pretty sure the only way to thin the Vong numbers are to get Sadow to blow up a very stragetic star....then I doubt the Sith would win.

Long fight though, those Sith are tenacious.

Sadow'd have to blow up a lot of stars though...like I said, the Vong are numerous enough to populate a galaxy and are much less self serving than the Sith...They'd have no compunction hurling their fighters, pilot and all into colissions....and if captured, they could laugh all the way through torture

Vong Pawn.

How often did the Sith Empire send their own ground troops? Sadow used Massassi forces, it's not like they had Siths doing any dirty work. Vong don't "pawn" anything.

Originally posted by Illustrious
How often did the Sith Empire send their own ground troops? Sadow used Massassi forces, it's not like they had Siths doing any dirty work. Vong don't "pawn" anything.

The Yuuzhan Vong pwn them easily. They will kill the Sith in both ground and space with their superior technology and immunity to the force. Also note that the Sith lack hyperspace routes and are therefor unable to attack the Yuuzhan Vong who are not in Sith territory.

When they run out of Massassi, the Sith're gonna have to deal with this themselves...The Vong can sit back and let their reptile slaves do the work against the Massassi....and the average Vong could take down a LOT of Massassi

I doubt a Vong can take a Massassi on his own. A Slayer could take dozens of them and Shimrra could probably fight hundreds of Massassi, but it's the Vong's massive numbers and hundreds of force hunting Voxyn that will give them victory.

Masassi were little more than cannon fodder, we saw the Republic generic soldiers killing a few themselves....And Vong....all of them are warriors of an elite level. Shedao Shai's subordinate flicked a knife out of the air with his amphistaff-from a Noghri no less-, swept his legs out, impaled him and turned to face Jacen and Ganner before the knife hit the ground. A Vong could probably give a sith warrior a run for his money. Tsavong Lah himself could tear most of them limb from limb
And Jori Daragon, a girl just given a lightsaber manages to kill Gav's Massassi escort.

Shai's subordinate was far from an average Yuuzhan Vong. You are right though, the Vong will win.

Thought so.

I wasn't talking about Deign Lian, I was talking about...whatshisname...Krag Val. He was a pretty average Vong warrior

Dont forget Shimmra took on NJO Luke, he could take on the most powerful dark lords including Ragnos.

Nah, NJO Luke wouldn't be able to take Ragnos and Shimrra only nearly took Luke after Luke had already fought several slayers.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Nah, NJO Luke wouldn't be able to take Ragnos and Shimrra only nearly took Luke after Luke had already fought several slayers.

You have any reasoning behind that claim? And Luke took out those slayers fairly easily, it wouldnt give him enough of a workout that the fight with Shimmra would be affected.

Nope, by then, Luke is probably the most powerful Force User of all time. Shimrra was a freaking monster and Luke managed to kill him after the Slayers and cutting his way through thousands of Vong

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Nope, by then, Luke is probably the most powerful Force User of all time. Shimrra was a freaking monster and Luke managed to kill him after the Slayers and cutting his way through thousands of Vong

Excluding Sekot and Nihilus yeh probably.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
You have any reasoning behind that claim? And Luke took out those slayers fairly easily, it wouldnt give him enough of a workout that the fight with Shimmra would be affected.

Read TUF. Even before Luke made it to Shimrra, he was exausted, if even said so. He had a very hard time doing it. That was after fighting hundreds of Vong.

Nothing has ever shown Luke to be the most powerful force user of all time. He could get anyone a hard time, but he's certainly not the strongest.

He didn't 'say so', it was what JAcen sensed....he was exhausted because he's near fifty and hacked his way through an ARMY....considering he killed the elite of the Vong crop after hacking through army and then killed Shimrra himself...not to mention some of the things he does in Dark Nest...and in a weaker incarnation, bested Sidious-DE Sidious at that, outsmarted Exar Kun, blocked a storm of blaster shots, created a shield from the force alone to shield him from an AT AT's blaster shots....there's really no competition, not any other force user has done things that come close

And not the strongest? He tosses fleets of star destroyers around, returns to his body, moves black holes, hides planets from view, is declared hands down THE strongest jedi of all time, channels spirits, moves fast enough to wield one lightsaber as if it were twenty...