The Ancient Sith Empire vs. The Yuuzhan Vong

Ever heard the term hyperbole? It is more likely then not Jaina used that when describing how Luke fought, since he did have a hard time with the unimpressive Welk. Sadow ripped out the cores of stars with the same technology he kept with him at all times. Strongest Jedi doesn't meant strongest force user. Ragnos kept all of those people who could throuw stars under his belt for over a hundred years. To say Luke is the strongest is unfounded, although he would give anyone a hard time.

Point is that Luke was exausted by the time he fought Shimrra, meaning Shimrra isn't almost equal to Luke, making him a good bit weaker then the likes of Sadow and Ragnos. I'm not saying the Sith wouuldn't lose,it just won't be overkill on the ground.

I don't see why people keep falling back on the star ripping feats when discussing the ancient sith. Especially considering that they used tech to do it. Hell, Kun's lackey Aleema, who is fairly low tiered, was able to reproduce such a feat when given the right equipment, which kinda takes away from the star ripping as a whole. Also, what has Ragnos done that you can say he's the strongest. Aside from assumptions of course.

Ragnos ever threw a star? Source now. When is it said he ever could? And Sadow never tore a star core's out: He caused a chain reaction in the core. And for all we know, Shimrra would destroy any of the ancient Sith with pure power alone. That he killed Shimrra while exhausted is Luke's skill, not shim's deficiency

And a hard time with Welk? Luke was holding back more than he was with Lomi Plo. The second he got serious, Welk died. It was
Luke: Come on, welk, you don't need to do this
Welk: DARK NEST IS INVINCIBLE! HIIIIIISSSSSSS!
*SLASH SLASH SLASH!
Luke: Now look what you made me do...

I never said he could throw a star, please take time to read my post, doing what you are currently doing makes you look ignorant. I said Ragnos ruled over hundreds of people who had the power to throw stars. He kept them in line by focusing them on him. He made them hate him and want him dead, yet they weren't strong enough to even challenge him. That's power.

Why did they never throw stars then? Woulda helped a lot when Kressh wanted to ambush Sadow and Sadow needed to escape pursuit...

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I never said he could throw a star, please take time to read my post, doing what you are currently doing makes you look ignorant. I said Ragnos ruled over hundreds of people who had the power to throw stars. He kept them in line by focusing them on him. He made them hate him and want him dead, yet they weren't strong enough to even challenge him. That's power.

Wait a second, hundreds of star throwers here. If my memory serves me correct, only Sadow did such. I don't remember anyone else except for Aleema later on, albeit an ultimately fatal attempt. Still, I don't see why the star ripping is such a big deal when Sadow requires his ship to do so. It certainly proves his intelligence and ingenuity, and he's certainly above average in terms of power, but NJO Luke? no way

Just imagine the force power you would need to create a ship like that? It wasn't like he used technology to do it, he used the force. He still needed to be powerful enough to do it himself, otherwise he couldn't have made technology to do it.

Ragnos ruled over hundreds of star throwers..
They should make a movie about that: "Star Socker"

Originally posted by Fishy
Just imagine the force power you would need to create a ship like that? It wasn't like he used technology to do it, he used the force. He still needed to be powerful enough to do it himself, otherwise he couldn't have made technology to do it.

The fact is though that we have no clue as to what it took to make that thing. We do know that when he used it, he was able to destroy a star, but that in no way means that he can do it without. So, until evidence comes out to the contrary, we have to assume it can only be done using that ship.

No proof Sadow even ade the ship, Fishy. Because, quite frankly, it is obviously the ship that does the destruction.

I can imagine this war would turn into something of an NJO/Vong scenario.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
No proof Sadow even ade the ship, Fishy. Because, quite frankly, it is obviously the ship that does the destruction.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Ever heard the term hyperbole? It is more likely then not Jaina used that when describing how Luke fought, since he did have a hard time with the unimpressive Welk.

Yet he managed to own Raynar Thul and Lomi Plo simultaneously. Funny how that works.

To say Luke is the strongest is unfounded, although he would give anyone a hard time.

And saying something like 'Ragnos pwns him' isn't unfounded?

Point is that Luke was exausted by the time he fought Shimrra, meaning Shimrra isn't almost equal to Luke, making him a good bit weaker then the likes of Sadow and Ragnos. I'm not saying the Sith wouuldn't lose,it just won't be overkill on the ground.

Agreed here. While the Sith lack the inter-galactic resources, numbers, and naval ability, they're no push-overs.

Actually, they may be able to handle the Vong in space for a very long time with their mysticism and illusions. And certainly, their individual skills would be pains in the necks.

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Yet he managed to own Raynar Thul and Lomi Plo simultaneously. Funny how that works.

What do you mean own? Raynar shoved him into the wall and if he hadn't been wearing a helmet would have shattered his skull.

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
And saying something like 'Ragnos pwns him' isn't unfounded?

Who said Ragnos pwns who?

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
What do you mean own? Raynar shoved him into the wall and if he hadn't been wearing a helmet would have shattered his skull.

DN3, Glentract. The very last battle.

Who said Ragnos pwns who?

You said Ragnos would defeat Luke, and then claim others are using unfounded assumptions when they argue otherwise.

"Nah, NJO Luke wouldn't be able to take Ragnos. . . "

Marka was powerful, no doubt, but there is just no solid evidence to support the claim that he would "pwn" NJO Luke, or vice versa.

I'd say Luke's done more than a few impressive things to support a pro in his opinion...and a student of Luke's Academy managed to outwit and stop Ragnos

To stop Long-Dead Ragnos, not Ragnos at his prime.

Ragnos was practically the dark side herald. His brains and ability shouldn't have been hindered too much while in Tavion. For evidence, I point to Palpatine inhabiting Jeng Droga or Ben inhabiting Luke

If you've been dead 5000 years, even Marka Ragnos won't be as powerful as he once was.

But still, he'd probably waste Pre-NJO Luke. Late and Post-NJO Luke though is another story.