Shatterpoint. Depa beats Mace in a saber fight. Granted, Mace wasn't 100%.
You're speculating. If he could destroy Mace with his powers (Something Lucas explicitly says he tried to do) he would have.
Lucas says he faked being to weak. That means he really wasn't to weak and if he wasn't to weak he could have saved himself. Remember when Mace lifts his lightsaber over his head to finish off Sidious? That left his entire body vulnerable to Force Lightning or whatever else Sidious used could use on him. Or a Force Push out the window.
He faked being weak after his attempt to destroy Mace failed. If Sidious could have force pushed Mace out the window, why didn't he before? Since a saber doesn't block telekenisis, I don't see where you're going with this.
Originally posted by darthsith19
But he does, every source we have says that it was a fair fight, nothing says that Dooku was holding back. If Dooku was, for some foolish reason, holding back then that's Dooku being arrogance. Either way, Anakin beat Dooku fair and square.
I agree. Never trust a man with a beard.
Originally posted by GM Nebaris
The thing is DS, Mace would be able to sence it if Sidious were to have launched an attack, and defend against it.
He faked being weak after his attempt to destroy Mace failed. If Sidious could have force pushed Mace out the window, why didn't he before? Since a saber doesn't block telekenisis, I don't see where you're going with this.
sidious probably foresaw anakin coming to his office to stop mace from killing him so he probably faked that he was weak so anakin himself could stop mace and completing his journey to the darkside. sidious had won from the start , he held off on mace so anakin would be responsible for helping to kill mace and sidious used those events to turn anakin. so therefor sidious was stronger then mace all along.
Updated list:
1. Master Windu (ROTS).
2. Grand-Master Yoda (AOTC).
3. Darth Sidious (ROTS).
4. Darth Tyranus (ROTS).
5. Insane Depa Billaba (Shatterpoint).
6. Darth Vader (full potential).
7. General Kenobi (ROTS).
8. General Unduli (ROTS).
9. Instructor Bulq (AOTC).
10. Double Agent Vos (ROTS).
Runners up: Cin Drallig, Assaj Ventress, Kit Fisto and Plo Koon.
Originally posted by GM Nebaris
Updated list:
1. Master Windu (ROTS).
2. Grand-Master Yoda (AOTC).
3. Darth Sidious (ROTS).
4. Darth Tyranus (ROTS).
5. Insane Depa Billaba (Shatterpoint).
6. Darth Vader (full potential).
7. General Kenobi (ROTS).
8. General Unduli (ROTS).
9. Instructor Bulq (AOTC).
10. Double Agent Vos (ROTS).Runners up: Cin Drallig, Assaj Ventress, Kit Fisto and Plo Koon.
What? Darth Vader full potential, AT 6??? We don't know how strong he is, and if he was full potential he would WTFpwn any on that list for sure.
And why do you keep persisting on Windu being the top of the order? Why? He has done nothing to be put above Yoda. Here....
Yoda has defeated him before...
Yoda with one hand could lift something Mace wasn't even near able to lift with all his force strenght (in Shatterpoint)....
Yoda dodged strikes from Depa (who Mace said was a better swordsman than himself) and two other jedi, effortlessly, without a saber....
Mace confessed himself that Yoda was better than him, as a warrior, as a jedi...
If you are going to say that CW Windu was teh ownage, then CW Yoda was even more so. Here's info on the ships that Yoda lifted and crashed into eachother, from "the complete guide to machines and spaceships". (Directly translated from Swedish so I don't know if it's the same on english).
It can go 587km per hour, which Yoda stopped. It has 28 troop transports inside (one of them which Qui-Gon Jinn was escaping from, which themselfs has 128 troops inside). 114 AAT tanks (which has 4 troops inside). Then it has a crew of 88 droids who are controlling it. That itself is an army, he lifted multiple of these, pushed an incoming army back inside, then pushed the whole thing back and steered another one into it. Then he took two of them and made them crash into eachother....
That is much more impressive than Windu pushing multiple droids, considering that there were over thousands of droids inside those ships, and over 150 mechanical vehicle's, one which Qui-Gon couldn't even consider to stop....
Now what has Windu done to be put over Yoda forcewise, or swordwise?
Defeated Sidious? Not really....
The place Mace and Sidious fought in is not even comparable to the one Yoda and Sidious fought in. Unlike there, Sidious could move freely, used the force AT ALL, and had things to toss at Yoda, plus a much bigger enviroment. Put Windu in Yoda's position in the senate chamber and Windu is pretty dead, put Yoda in Windu's position and Yoda would have won. Also, Sidious didn't use the force once against Windu, they only had a swordfight. We saw that Windu would have lost if Sidious continued to fire lightning against him, even then he was in a much worse position. (Underneath Windu, unarmed as well). Plus the fact that Sidious was converting Anakin, so the fight itself could have been fake...
Yoda, even under those conditions in the senate chamber, disarmed Sidious almost as fast....
Originally posted by GM Nebaris
Updated list:
1. Master Windu (ROTS).
2. Grand-Master Yoda (AOTC).
3. Darth Sidious (ROTS).
4. Darth Tyranus (ROTS).
5. Insane Depa Billaba (Shatterpoint).
6. Darth Vader (full potential).
7. General Kenobi (ROTS).
8. General Unduli (ROTS).
9. Instructor Bulq (AOTC).
10. Double Agent Vos (ROTS).Runners up: Cin Drallig, Assaj Ventress, Kit Fisto and Plo Koon.
Just wanted to edit the list: [5. Master Billaba (pre-Shatterpoint)]
@Kamikz:
'What? Darth Vader full potential, AT 6??? We don't know how strong he is, and if he was full potential he would WTFpwn any on that list for sure.'
Sorry, I wasn't too clear. I meant Anakin before his potential was severely reduced by Kenobi.
'And why do you keep persisting on Windu being the top of the order? Why? He has done nothing to be put above Yoda.'
imo, Windu is better, but to tell the truth, I have no problem with anybody putting either Yoda or Sidious above him. Those are the top three imo.
You guys are ridiculous. First off, how is Windu above Yoda and Sidious when he should be under the two? And secondly, can you kids quit with the ridiculous and unsubstantiated fanboy rumors that Sidious threw the fight? Sidious was beat and if he faked anything it was after the initial lightning strike failed.. End of story.