Originally posted by -Pr-
So what then, because he has speed, he automatically uses it?
Since he fights to the best of his ability, absolutely.
The fact that Bladam has to be argued to not be 'in-character' if he uses his speed as well as we know he can, is telling enough for Black Bolt's actual chances; That there is literally no argument for how Black Bolt wins if Black Adam goes all out.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Since he fights to the best of his ability, absolutely.The fact that Bladam has to be argued to not be 'in-character' if he uses his speed as well as we know he can, is telling enough for Black Bolt's actual chances; That there is literally no argument for how Black Bolt wins if Black Adam goes all out.
That's not what that term means; at least not within the confines of the rules.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Since he fights to the best of his ability, absolutely.The fact that Bladam has to be argued to not be 'in-character' if he uses his speed as well as we know he can, is telling enough for Black Bolt's actual chances; That there is literally no argument for how Black Bolt wins if Black Adam goes all out.
BB has fought stronger and faster characters than BA with greater powersets... So why is he an after thought against him...?
Originally posted by Tony Stark
BB has fought stronger and faster characters than BA with greater powersets... So why is he an after thought against him...?
Gladiator?
He's not stronger OR faster.
Besides that. Black Bolt himself has no speed feats to even suggest he should fight with Gladiator evenly.
He's a super-hypersonic level character, in flight. And some enhanced reactions outside of pure flight, but nothing that any street levelers haven't already done.
Is Black Bolt someone who is going to be able to keep up with a speed-force character on his feet--(or even in the air)? Nope.
Originally posted by CosmicCometGladiator has feats of being stronger and faster.
Gladiator?He's not stronger OR faster.
Besides that. Black Bolt himself has no speed feats to even suggest he should fight with Gladiator evenly.
He's a super-hypersonic level character, in flight. And some enhanced reactions outside of pure flight, but nothing that any street levelers haven't already done.
Is Black Bolt someone who is going to be able to keep up with a speed-force character on his feet--(or even in the air)? Nope.
Originally posted by Tony Stark
BB has fought stronger and faster characters than BA with greater powersets... So why is he an after thought against him...?
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Gladiator?He's not stronger OR faster.
Besides that. Black Bolt himself has no speed feats to even suggest he should fight with Gladiator evenly.
He's a super-hypersonic level character, in flight. And some enhanced reactions outside of pure flight, but nothing that any street levelers haven't already done.
Is Black Bolt someone who is going to be able to keep up with a speed-force character on his feet--(or even in the air)? Nope.
Originally posted by Mindset
Gladiator has feats of being stronger and faster.
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Originally posted by CosmicComet
Gladiator?He's not stronger OR faster.
Besides that. Black Bolt himself has no speed feats to even suggest he should fight with Gladiator evenly.
He's a super-hypersonic level character, in flight. And some enhanced reactions outside of pure flight, but nothing that any street levelers haven't already done.
Is Black Bolt someone who is going to be able to keep up with a speed-force character on his feet--(or even in the air)? Nope.
"Gladiator?
He's not stronger OR faster".
Your joking right?
Originally posted by CosmicCometYou have been wrong about everything.
For one dude against three who can't really bring a case against what I said?Not really.
You all should be ashamed at your impotence. 😎
Glads has busted a planet, he has flown 100x ftl, he had a fight with Hyperion where their movements were measured in nano seconds.
What superior feats does BA have?
Originally posted by Mindset
You have been wrong about everything.Glads has busted a planet, he has flown 100x ftl, he had a fight with Hyperion where their movements were measured in nano seconds.
What superior feats does BA have?
First off Mindset, don't be slow. Read.
I said Gladiator is NOT stronger or faster, not that Adam is better.
(Although he is.)
Glads busted a big rock in space. Black Adam matched Superman in strength. And his strength has been described as possibly above Superman's by other character statements. Even if you don't take it literally, it still undeniably shows that they are at least peers, and that Superman wasn't simply jobbing when they fought--(like he might be jobbing when he fights a Solomon Grundy type.) And Superman's best feats of strength are better than Gladiators. No doubt.
OOOOhhh 100x time light speed in flight statement. Was just waiting for that to show up. That means he can cover in one minute what would take light 100 minutes to cover. That means he can cover one light year in 3.65 days. Light would take over 30 minutes just to get from Jupiter to Earth. And that's just in our tiny little corner of the solar system. Just to give you an idea. Black Adam on the other hand? Has flown from all the way from the other end of the universe to Earth. It took him awhile, but it equates out to much higher than 100x time lightspeed unforuntately. At best, their flight speed is
equal.
Nanoseconds, is good. Black Adam is on that same scale.
Black Bolt however? Is not. That's been the point this whole time.
I'm not slow, you're just dense.
I'm saying Glads has the BETTER high end strength/speed feats.
The big rock that was a planet. Nothing suggests BA's strength is over Supes, in fact, everything points to the opposite.
When has BA ever been shown to be on that scale?
Your point has been wrong the whole time. That'd be like me only using the high end feats of characters and passing that off as the norm. You act like this is your first time debating here.
Originally posted by Mindset
I'm not slow, you're just dense.I'm saying Glads has the BETTER high end strength/speed feats.
The big rock that was a planet. Nothing suggests BA's strength is over Supes, in fact, everything points to the opposite.
There were outside character statements that certainly suggested it. It's not as if this was some supposition created out of nothing. Again, even if you choose to not believe it that's fine,but you have no choice but to accept that he's at least a peer to superman in strength, as he's shown that consistently. He's also stomped other Kryptonians like Powergirl, while weakened. Glad there's no argument that Superman is stronger than Gladiator though.
When has BA ever been shown to be on that scale?
Ever since he became Black Adam, with the speed of Heru. Ever Since he's been on the scale of other nano-second level guys like Superman and Captain Marvel. Since he's been shown to be fast enough to give guys like Flash some trouble. The guy raced Jay Garrick up to the speed of light point and this was while Jay was stealing his speed the whole time.
Your point has been wrong the whole time. That'd be like me only using the high end feats of characters and passing that off as the norm. You act like this is your first time debating here. [/B]
Apparently you are forgetting what the whole point has been the entire time; that since they are fighting to the best of they're demonstrated abilities, that we have no choice but to understand that not only is BA stronger and more durable than Black Bolt, but that he's literally thousands of times faster too.
Those are the facts. Anything else, like the 'in-character' arguments, are nothing but subjective, arbitrary points discussions that can have no concrete resolution.
The facts are that if BA fights to his best, BB has no counter. He's not fast enough, period.