Originally posted by Mider
Darkseid was erased from existence by Spectre and had to be recreated by a higher power so heh your agrument is moot.
Superman comes in and beats Darkseid done to the point Darkseid was willing to give up Apokolips. Supes handed Darkseid and keeping him in check.
Spectre should call Superman next Darkseid gets out of hand.
Less we forget Spectre has been caged by Joker with Mxy's powers.
As for hostless or not, Spectre uses a host most of the time; he isn't always hostless.
Originally posted by Mider
are we being sarcastic guess you havent heard of PIS if you even read about the first appreances of darkside any logical person would know that superman winning is bull thanks for another moot argument.
Oh wait, Darkseid gets to use PIS as an arguement but you don't apply the same for LT?
Maybe you can explain where a brute like Doomsday riped apart Darkseid to the death?
CIS? PIS? But that doesn't apply to LT?
Originally posted by BeyonderWhy do people try to bring this up?
Superman comes in and beats Darkseid done to the point Darkseid was willing to give up Apokolips. Supes handed Darkseid and keeping him in check.Spectre should call Superman next Darkseid gets out of hand.
Less we forget Spectre has been caged by Joker with Mxy's powers.
As for hostless or not, Spectre uses a host most of the time; he isn't always hostless.
Spectre is the reason Mxyz was powerless last we saw him.
Spectre last time fighting a 5th dimension imp, eye blasted him and it was over.
Spectre at the end of EMPEROR JOKER, recreated the universe in a couple of panels.
Emperor Joker messed up HAL, making him thing that he if he started summoning power, it would mess up the universe. While the power is unlimited, he still had the scope of a human, this was covered later on in his series, when he entered the void and moved his perceptions beyond human boundaries. But like I said, he recreated it anyways, so its not out of the question to believe he could just got up, and fixed everything, since he did it in the end anyways.
at least the PIS is explained with Darkseid and Spectre low powerlevels when Darkseid got his power level back up he totally destroyed cyborg superman only reason superman doesnt die the same way is cause of the sources protection and when have you ever brought any evidence that shows the LT's powers were greater then the IG's never so why do you keep arguing for it when you cant show one freaking shread of evidence your the same guy who said LT couldnt defeat the original beyonder now your defending him against someone like Spectre who shows higher feats? Why you know very well he cant defeat spectre and ive already told you why if you wanna keep arguing about why he should its pure bull and you know it.
Originally posted by Juntai
Why do people try to bring this up?Spectre is the reason Mxyz was powerless last we saw him.
Spectre last time fighting a 5th dimension imp, eye blasted him and it was over. Spectre at the end of EMPEROR JOKER, recreated the universe in a couple of panels.
Point is LT isn't the only one with low showings.
Emperor Joker messed up HAL, making him thing that he if he started summoning power, it would mess up the universe. While the power is unlimited, he still had the scope of a human, this was covered later on in his series, when he entered the void and moved his perceptions beyond human boundaries. But like I said, he recreated it anyways, so its not out of the question to believe he could just got up, and fixed everything, since he did it in the end anyways. [/B]
[Mider-mode]: well that still doenst matter because Spectre was still affected so you cant expect to tell me that spectre is that powerful I don't get why you people so he's so powerful when Empower Joker messed him up
Originally posted by Juntai
The difference between Spectre fighting Darkseid and Superman fighting Darkseid...
Is that Superman actually had to fight, Spectre just willed him out of existance, then willed him back into it.
How about Superman vs Spectre in DOJ? Spectre looked at him and it was over. Turned him into a statue.
Juntai, your acting as if I'm taking this seriously.
Spectre has laws that bond him from doing anything he wants. Furthermore, he isn't always hostless. There's things that hinder a character's performance.
Just because Strange defied LT means shit. So Spectre ended magic in DC, does that mean Spectre would beat LT because Spectre can handle a group of mages while Strange defied LT?
Spectre isn't always hostless and going around owning people. When he had a host, he still had trouble with Joker. Does that mean someone that can beat an Imp would beat Spectre Hal?
Does this clear things up for you?
Originally posted by BeyonderYep, both do have an occasional low showing, Spectre's is rationally explained in his own comics though, as being the mere scope of human understanding. Does LT have this to explain his downfall, or is it merely a lack of power?
Point is LT isn't the only one with low showings.[Mider-mode]: well that still doenst matter because Spectre was still affected so you cant expect to tell me that spectre is that powerful I don't get why you people so he's so powerful when Empower Joker messed him up
Then on the opposite spectrum. Spectre has the far end high feats that seem out of LT's range. Universal recreation, multiple times, defeating Parallax, defeating Anti-Monitor, universal/multiversal leveling characters.
Originally posted by BeyonderExcept that I don't think anyone else has ever beat an Imp... save another Imp...
Juntai, your acting as if I'm taking this seriously.Spectre has laws that bond him from doing anything he wants. Furthermore, he isn't always hostless. There's things that hinder a character's performance.
Just because Strange defied LT means shit. So Spectre ended magic in DC, does that mean Spectre would beat LT because Spectre can handle a group of mages while Strange defied LT?
Spectre isn't always hostless and going around owning people. When he had a host, he still had trouble with Joker. Does that mean someone that can beat an Imp would beat Spectre Hal?
Does this clear things up for you?
And Spectre can do whatever he wants, so long as it is part of his mission of fullfillment that will lead to his understanding of all things, and lead his soul to the afterlife...
I'm guessing, when a versus thread is made with Spectre, we're experiencing him in "Optimum capacity" for the fight, as per forum rules.. so The Logoz would be with him, rather than holding power from him to teach him a lesson. Unless of course, it's specifically stated... but then it would just be a disembodied ghost vs [character]. See what I'm saying?
Originally posted by Mider
at least the PIS is explained with Darkseid and Spectre low powerlevels when Darkseid got his power level back up he totally destroyed cyborg superman only reason superman doesnt die the same way is cause of the sources protection and when have you ever brought any evidence that shows the LT's powers were greater then the IG's never so why do you keep arguing for it when you cant show one freaking shread of evidence your the same guy who said LT couldnt defeat the original beyonder now your defending him against someone like Spectre who shows higher feats? Why you know very well he cant defeat spectre and ive already told you why if you wanna keep arguing about why he should its pure bull and you know it.
Now show me evidence of Spectre being greater than LT. I've brought me scans in. You bring yours in now.
Do you have proof that the magics of DC are any greater than MU's? Or that Strange affected LT?
Originally posted by BeyonderSpectre in COIE? Depowered the Anti-Monitor, cut his connection to the multitude of heros from across the planes from which he was drawing power, defeated him, and banished him back to the Anti-Matter realm, and destroyed the multiverse and created the DCUniverse.
Now show me evidence of Spectre being greater than LT. I've brought me scans in. You bring yours in now.Do you have proof that the magics of DC are any greater than MU's? Or that Strange affected LT?
Spectre in Zero Hour?
Showed up, sapped Hal of all of his energy, and recreated the universe.
Emperor Joker? He recreated the universe at the end.
In Day of Vengeance JSA tie in, just recently, he eye beamed and defeated a 5th Dimension Imp. Which we know for fact are capable of universal level manipulation and destruction.
In Spectre Year One, Corrigan describes his first time meeting another hero, who happened to be Doctor Fate, and defeated an Elder God Koth-Shugoth, with a couple of punches and a flash of light.
OK, now show me LT's feats greater than his.
Originally posted by Juntai
[B]Except that I don't think anyone else has ever beat an Imp... save another Imp...
Who tried and failed?
And Spectre can do whatever he wants, so long as it is part of his mission of fullfillment that will lead to his understanding of all things, and lead his soul to the afterlife...I'm guessing, when a versus thread is made with Spectre, we're experiencing him in "Optimum capacity" for the fight, as per forum rules.. so The Logoz would be with him, rather than holding power from him to teach him a lesson. Unless of course, it's specifically stated... but then it would just be a disembodied ghost vs [character]. See what I'm saying?
I see him as he appears, mostly with a host but with bloodlust on.
OK, now show me LT's feats greater than his. [/B]
Wasn't addessing you, but list his feats. And as we both know, LT doesn't have that many appearances. Spectre even has his own books.
Originally posted by Juntai
[B]Spectre in COIE? Depowered the Anti-Monitor, cut his connection to the multitude of heros from across the planes from which he was drawing power, defeated him, and banished him back to the Anti-Matter realm, and destroyed the multiverse and created the DCUniverse.Spectre in Zero Hour?
Showed up, sapped Hal of all of his energy, and recreated the universe.Emperor Joker? He recreated the universe at the end.
In Day of Vengeance JSA tie in, just recently, he eye beamed and defeated a 5th Dimension Imp. Which we know for fact are capable of universal level manipulation and destruction.
First appearance, had Zom freaking out at the thought of him coming and rid of him in an instance. The same some that was bounded by Dormammu and imprisoned by Eternity. Umar had Dormammu's powers and still couldn't affect Zom, she ran from him. Strange and Ancient One got slapped around; Zom even killed Ancient One, then proceeded to beat around Strange with Ancient One's power. All he manage was to rip Zom's hair off.
LT fought Nebulos, killed him.
Restored order to the court where Eternity, Ziran, Watcher, Galactus, Chaos, Order, etc. couldn't.
Magus used five Cosmic Cubes just to hide from him. Even with that much power, he still couldn't assemble the Infinity Gauntlet; needed LT to do so.
Even Thanos with the HOTU admitted that LT was that top being.
In Spectre Year One, Corrigan describes his first time meeting another hero, who happened to be Doctor Fate, and defeated an Elder God Koth-Shugoth, with a couple of punches and a flash of light.
Not sure how powerful Koth Shugoth was. Obviously DC's version of Shuma Gorath. Both copies of Cthuthlu.
Anyways, Strange beat and absorbed Gorath's general and went on to defeat Shuma Gorath himself, power enough to destroy galaxies just by existing in the normal universal. Strange is no Spectre in power, but he did take out Gorath.
Something ive been wondering on here, and ive seen answered only 1 time, but ive forgot, does anyone know why The Spectre couldn't do anything after he beat the Anti-Monitor in Crisis?? and why he was just laying ther?? have anything to do with Jim?? or was it from the fight with AM?? or maybe because Jim wasn't connected with Spectre and thats why he wasn't able to help??? any other thoughts? Juntai i believe u answered it 1 time b4, could u answer it again. 🙂