Spectre runs loose in the MU

Originally posted by Beyonder
Wasn't addessing you, but list his feats. And as we both know, LT doesn't have that many appearances. Spectre even has his own books.

First appearance, had Zom freaking out at the thought of him coming and rid of him in an instance. The same some that was bounded by Dormammu and imprisoned by Eternity. Umar had Dormammu's powers and still couldn't affect Zom, she ran from him. Strange and Ancient One got slapped around; Zom even killed Ancient One, then proceeded to beat around Strange with Ancient One's power. All he manage was to rip Zom's hair off.

LT fought Nebulos, killed him.

Restored order to the court where Eternity, Ziran, Watcher, Galactus, Chaos, Order, etc. couldn't.

Magus used five Cosmic Cubes just to hide from him. Even with that much power, he still couldn't assemble the Infinity Gauntlet; needed LT to do so.

Even Thanos with the HOTU admitted that LT was that top being.

Not sure how powerful Koth Shugoth was. Obviously DC's version of Shuma Gorath. Both copies of Cthuthlu.

Anyways, Strange beat and absorbed Gorath's general and went on to defeat Shuma Gorath himself, power enough to destroy galaxies just by existing in the normal universal. Strange is no Spectre in power, but he did take out Gorath.

Impressive, good to know some history. 😄
I still consider Spectre's universal recreation, and stopping people like Hal/Parallax in Zero Hour, and the Anti-Monitor, to be a bit higher on the chain...

but damn, Strange is pimp. lol.

So what's the deal with LT not being able to defeat Korvac and just sealing off that universe or whatever, that I read GS talking about?

Originally posted by Juntai
Impressive, good to know some history. 😄
I still consider Spectre's universal recreation, and stopping people like Hal/Parallax in Zero Hour, and the Anti-Monitor, to be a bit higher on the chain...

but damn, Strange is pimp. lol.

So what's the deal with LT not being able to defeat Korvac and just sealing off that universe or whatever, that I read GS talking about?

it DOES count because that's the same lt. what ifs are NOT canon for characters who have 'other selves' in the what if universes. but lt is the same everywhere, so his feats in what if ARE considered to be canon . . .

so basically the entire MU is left dead after Spectre runs through it?

Originally posted by leonidas
it DOES count because that's the same lt. what ifs are NOT canon for characters who have 'other selves' in the what if universes. but lt is the same everywhere, so his feats in what if ARE considered to be canon . . .

That doesn't even make sense. What If's aren't canon. All characters in them aren't canon.

As for LT being every, What If's aren't alternate universes.

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
TOAA's left testicle will stop Spectre.

Exactly...and probably with a mere gesture. If Spectre proves to be a multiversal threat, then LT will stop him,,,its his duty and he has the power.

he hasnt the power never been shown to have it Spectre will age him to the point before he was created and TOAA winning oh wow what a suprise

Originally posted by Beyonder
That doesn't even make sense. What If's aren't canon. All characters in them aren't canon.

As for LT being every, What If's aren't alternate universes.

what's not to make sense of? if cap does soemthing in a what if it is not 'really' cap -- least not the cap of 616 so any differences between the 2, ie: feats, decisions, choices, aren't being made by OUR cap so they don't count.

there is only one living tribunal who rules over all the multiverse -- all the what if universes included. the 616 lt is the same lt that shows up in what ifs on occasion. since there is only one, it makes sense that his feats in what ifs ARE canon. 😉

dont tell anyone that they dont want to acknowledge the living jobber as what he really is.

😖hifty:

Originally posted by leonidas

there is only one living tribunal who rules over all the multiverse -- all the what if universes included. the 616 lt is the same lt that shows up in what ifs on occasion. since there is only one, it makes sense that his feats in what ifs ARE canon. 😉

Now where did it say that What If's are alternate universes of the multiverse? What If's are just that: What If. Each What If's are different. Some have Watcher calling it an alternate universe. Other's don't. The Watcher himself doesn't even show up in a lot of them.

What If...Silver Surfer? and What If Captain America had been revived? are just examples of that.

Mider dont tell anyone that they dont want to acknowledge the living jobber as what he really is.

Coming from he who knows nothing about the Living Tribunal or Dr. Strange? Your argument is as weak as your sentences.

Hmm....I've always wanted to see Beyonder and Leonidas go at it. I'm gonna sit back and enjoy...

Originally posted by Beyonder
Now where did it say that What If's are alternate universes of the multiverse? What If's are just that: What If. Each What If's are different. Some have Watcher calling it an alternate universe. Other's don't. The Watcher himself doesn't even show up in a lot of them.

What If...Silver Surfer? and What If Captain America had been revived? are just examples of that.

where does it say that? hmm, will this do?

the scan is from what if vol2 #5 -- what if the vision had destroyed the avengers.

and demi, stop instigating. that's MY job . . . 😄

Originally posted by leonidas
where does it say that? hmm, will this do?

the scan is from what if vol2 #5 -- what if the vision had destroyed the avengers.

and demi, stop instigating. that's MY job . . . 😄

That's what I said. Some What If's have Watcher in it, some doesn't. Some refer it to an alternate universe, some don't. I too have issues of Watcher claiming such and some don't.

just because he's not at the start saying it, doesn't make them NOT part of the multiverse though, when it has been claimed many many times that such IS the case. i suppose if you personally want you could view the ones where there is no watcher as non-canon, but that doesn't seem to make much sense if all the others ARE canon -- for lt that is. if what ifs are NOT what comprise the multiverse in your opinion, what are you supposing does?

Originally posted by leonidas
just because he's not at the start saying it, doesn't make them NOT part of the multiverse though, when it has been claimed many many times that such IS the case. i suppose if you personally want you could view the ones where there is no watcher as non-canon, but that doesn't seem to make much sense if all the others ARE canon -- for lt that is. if what ifs are NOT what comprise the multiverse in your opinion, what are you supposing does?

What IFs. That's what they are. They're published by the same company but it doesn't mean it's in the same canon multiverse.

I have every single What If ask me anything. I can post any picture from any What If youd like so ask away.

beyonder if you wish to come and post here you can do so but please keep the insults to yourself have i insulted you if i have im sorry you have not added any new information that no one has already disputed with more evidence then you yourself have shown i may not be an expert on the LT but i do know that he hasnt shown any such powers as you would have him being able to do this and that on a multiversal scale yeah she snaped his fingers and put everyone back in the same place they were AND he also looked worried when he thought of fighting the IG if he's worried about battling the IG you raelly think he'd do any better against the spectre??????????

so what makes up the multiverse then in your opinion? are only SOME of the what ifs canon, or are you disreagrding the watcher's claim altogether? he IS uatu, the same watcher who watches/watched the 616, he's merely looking at other universes while he's looking at ours. there HAS been overlap between 616 and 'alternate/what if' universes in the past as well. proctor used a watcher to hunt down alternate universe sersi's because he had the ability to peer into these alternate universes. seriously, b, i'm not sure how you can be debating this point.

Damn B, looks like Leo got you there. AND he says it's futile to debate the point futher.

Ouch!