Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Beyonder, your major downfall is that you pay far too much attention to forum talk, hearsay basically and that im afraid has no place in debates. In fact it often leads to the presentation of invalid points. Kind of like now. 🙁
Wait. Your trying to interpret my knowledge? You who take scans from a respect thread to prove what Strange did was the same as what LT did? Even when I said Warlock used one gem at a time against Strange, you INSISTED that I don't know what I was talking about. Then when I went into details, you didn't have anything to argue against except the same B.S. about Strange countering Warlock and therefore it's the same as what LT did - yet it wasn't even close.
I even brought up instances where Strange fought Nightmare and Death in the same fashion. Warlock wasn't even doing anything on the level he or Thanos did against the deities. You still, however, act as if Strange's feat was comparable to LT's.
Youre talking as if Lucifer not talking to the Source equated to Lucifer being greater than it. He merely saw the Source in his travels. The Source exists at a point in reality from which all the events of creation can be witnessed. Lucifer needed to monitor events on Earth as part of his machinations so he flew to this point and saw the Source there but as stated in the issue he had no business with the Source so he didnt talk to it. They both just watched creation with Lucifer focusing on Earth.Yet another unsupported assumption of yours my friend 🙁
Let me make this clear to you, Lucifer, Michael, and Spectre disregard the Source. The Source is linked with the New Gods and the OE; it's not God or an aspect of God.
As for the other stuff, youre confusing role with power once again. The Source in DC is an aspect of God, its role in Dc was to be the power source of creation, it flows through everything, it gives life to everything. That is its purpose. Not doing something outside of that role doesnt negate from the fact that is still an aspect of DC's supreme being. You need to understand that Bey.
Scans of where it says the Source is an aspect of God would be nice. All I'm hearing from you is what's said on forums as well. You acuse me of doing such, yet you yourself doing is okay?
The Presence is the father aspect as stated on panel so when Michael wants to go and see his father he goes to the Presence because that is its role. Spectre is a representation of Gods wrath on the world, it abides by Gods will so it serves The Word aspect. Spectre is the face of the Word in creation. Ok?
😆 So whose Jesus and the Holy Spirit?
Both Lucifer and Michael reference to the Presence as their father because the Presence directly created them and regarded them as his sons. You see any other angels refering to the Presence as father or the father?
From all of your talk i can tell you dont read much Lucifer, Spectre and the like. You obviously are just going by what you've been told or what you've picked up on the forums. Not a very sensible thing to do.
So your going to throw assumptions around? You haven't read much Strange, IG, IW, or LT. You pull things out of a scan a twist it to your liking. And much of what you say, you stretch it and draw assumptions and connect dots where there's not even dots to connect.
Don't talk to me about sense when you compare a feat by Strange as equal to LT because both countered the same object, even though both attacks and response were at different levels of output.
Sense? LT stopping Korvac is a low feat according to you. Yet try to explain away the fact that Phoenix was killed and owned by Magneto/Xorn's brother gave her a stroke by using the Earth's magnetic poles. Next time maybe Phoenix out to stay out of fights with Magneto/Xorn's brother. She couldn't even beat Arishem.
I dying and not being able to beat someone is a better feat then locking up someone and they couldn't do a thing to you.
Which part? Michael dismissing all the angels and went to see the Presence. Lucifer with his own cosmos outside that of Presence's creation? Where was the Source and power of creation?
A most horrible understanding of the presented B. If you look back and read again you'll see i said while Marvel doesnt have a Christian like Supreme being as per DC Phoenix and Source have the same roles in their respective multiverses. I never said that they were actually the same being. Come on now B. That was my point draw from that what you will. The parallels drawn and refernces made on panel while heavily suggestive did not conclusively confirm a God connection and i accept that. No being in Marvel has been conclusively linked to the supreme being so its cool.
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Are you freaken serious with me? You've always drawn the conclusion that Marvel's Supreme being is the Christian/Kaballah GOD. You even asked me where it said that it doesn't say LT was linked to GOD. Then you posted scans and your opinion regarding the Phoenix/Seraphim relationships to GOD.
You accept what now? You can accept the Source and Phoenix having the same role but you can't accept LT and Spectre? 🙄
Wait, your saying you accept that Phoenix is not connected to MU's Supreme Being? Well, that didn't take long...except 6-8 months +, hundreds of post, essays, and most people dismissing your b.s about Phoenix being an aspect of GOD and above LT. Don't act as if your the graceous type.
Nope yet another assumption. While its true that Spectre answers to Dc's supreme being, theres no evidence that LT does the same in Marvel, we've been through that already. No comic in Marvel history states that or conclusively shows that. LT answers to a being above the IG thats all. Not debatable. Anything else is speculation. [/B]
LT is above the IG. Prove to me where the IG even threatened LT? All you have is one conversation, yet eventhing else shown by IG, Warlock 1, and IW proves otherwise. Even when you bring up Korvac, the deities still turned to LT and no else.
Now that your crusade of Phoenix being an aspect of GOD and greater then LT has turned into Phoenix = LT in power, you just wanna bring LT down a peg.
Next please, you boring me with your assumptions again.
