and why if i made it so that Spectre did have permission that wouldnt be much of a battle now would it LT's powers though do not get higher or lower his powers stay the same from what ive seen since he's been punked more then once Spectre has been punked as well but not more then once usually by the same person.
Originally posted by GalacticStormThe Source is the Big Bang, the energies of creation from which all life sprung from. Its canon that the same holds true for Phoenix. We clear buddy? 🙂
The Source Wall has also been completely ignored by Lucifer, passing through it. The only thing that it can hold was PC Darkseid and Yuga Khan, even the Khan has escaped on his own and Metron has removed PC Darkseid from it. PC Darkseid also hurt the Wall and Cyborg Supes controlled a portion of it. Spectre, Michael, and Lucifer don't answer to the Source. Michael wanted to talk to the Presence, not the Source.
Who said i was using crossover in this instance? Incorrect buddy. Bit too quick on the trigger 🙁 [/B]
Then what are you using. What connection do you have of the Source and Phoenix being the same thing?
Big bangs? Is that it? Cause if that's the case, LT and Spectre are protectors of the DCU & MU. Spectre answers to Presence; LT answers to TOAA. Presence=TOAA - Nuff said.
Originally posted by Beyonder
The Source Wall has also been completely ignored by Lucifer, passing through it. The only thing that it can hold was PC Darkseid and Yuga Khan, even the Khan has escaped on his own and Metron has removed PC Darkseid from it. PC Darkseid also hurt the Wall and Cyborg Supes controlled a portion of it. Spectre, Michael, and Lucifer don't answer to the Source. Michael wanted to talk to the Presence, not the Source.
Beyonder, your major downfall is that you pay far too much attention to forum talk, hearsay basically and that im afraid has no place in debates. In fact it often leads to the presentation of invalid points. Kind of like now. 🙁
Youre talking as if Lucifer not talking to the Source equated to Lucifer being greater than it. He merely saw the Source in his travels. The Source exists at a point in reality from which all the events of creation can be witnessed. Lucifer needed to monitor events on Earth as part of his machinations so he flew to this point and saw the Source there but as stated in the issue he had no business with the Source so he didnt talk to it. They both just watched creation with Lucifer focusing on Earth.
Yet another unsupported assumption of yours my friend 🙁
As for the other stuff, youre confusing role with power once again. The Source in DC is an aspect of God, its role in Dc was to be the power source of creation, it flows through everything, it gives life to everything. That is its purpose. Not doing something outside of that role doesnt negate from the fact that is still an aspect of DC's supreme being. You need to understand that Bey.
The Presence is the father aspect as stated on panel so when Michael wants to go and see his father he goes to the Presence because that is its role. Spectre is a representation of Gods wrath on the world, it abides by Gods will so it serves The Word aspect. Spectre is the face of the Word in creation. Ok?
From all of your talk i can tell you dont read much Lucifer, Spectre and the like. You obviously are just going by what you've been told or what you've picked up on the forums. Not a very sensible thing to do.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Then what are you using. What connection do you have of the Source and Phoenix being the same thing?
A most horrible understanding of the presented B. If you look back and read again you'll see i said while Marvel doesnt have a Christian like Supreme being as per DC Phoenix and Source have the same roles in their respective multiverses. I never said that they were actually the same being. Come on now B. That was my point draw from that what you will. The parallels drawn and refernces made on panel while heavily suggestive did not conclusively confirm a God connection and i accept that. No being in Marvel has been conclusively linked to the supreme being so its cool.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Big bangs? Is that it? Cause if that's the case, LT and Spectre are protectors of the DCU & MU. Spectre answers to Presence; LT answers to TOAA. Presence=TOAA - Nuff said.
Nope yet another assumption. While its true that Spectre answers to Dc's supreme being, theres no evidence that LT does the same in Marvel, we've been through that already. No comic in Marvel history states that or conclusively shows that. LT answers to a being above the IG thats all. Not debatable. Anything else is speculation.
Originally posted by MiderThats not true little mister, Thanos became TOAA the other TOAA didnt die, he never really existed in the first place he was no more than an untapped river of limitless power, And now that Thanos reset the universe' he is back, Michael and Lucifer morningstar govern over 1 universe TOAA governs over ALL universes, big difference
TOAA died when Thanos had become him during the end just to redo the universe if the presence wanted to redo the universe he could just call micheal and lucifer morningstar.
Theres nothing to conclusively support either of your theories actually. Thanos didnt actually know about the origins of the power we call HOTU. He himself only speculated on it being linked to the supreme being. As that wasnt actually stated on panel by other sources it has to be treated as just that. Speculation. All we know for a fact is that Thanos tapped into a power source which enabled him to humble the abstracts and LT. We have nothing definitive on its origins aside from Thanos' speculation. On top of that Marvel Universe: The End isnt canon anyway.
Originally posted by GalacticStormwhy isnt it canon???well technically it never happened, but it is cannon because in thanos' most recent miniseries, him and AW mention it.
Theres nothing to conclusively support either of your theories actually. Thanos didnt actually know about the origins of the power we call HOTU. He himself only speculated on it being linked to the supreme being. As that wasnt actually stated on panel by other sources it has to be treated as just that. Speculation. All we know for a fact is that Thanos tapped into a power source which enabled him to humble the abstracts and LT. We have nothing definitive on its origins aside from Thanos' speculation. On top of that Marvel Universe: The End isnt canon anyway.
it should be canon nothing wrong with it anyway IMO but yes Thanos in the beginning said he was tricked into taking that power being tempted into it so that he would be the one to reset the universe instead of TOAA and thus destroy himself how would Thanos with THOTU fare in DCU im not sure how would he indeed he died just resetting the universe while just two of the presances underlings can make one while the presance is stronger then both but yeah thats still pretty high up there only three beings in the whole DCU who could probably take him i dont know about Spectre though nah i dont think so not on his own power.
Originally posted by Mider
it should be canon nothing wrong with it anyway IMO but yes Thanos in the beginning said he was tricked into taking that power being tempted into it so that he would be the one to reset the universe instead of TOAA and thus destroy himself how would Thanos with THOTU fare in DCU im not sure how would he indeed he died just resetting the universe while just two of the presances underlings can make one while the presance is stronger then both but yeah thats still pretty high up there only three beings in the whole DCU who could probably take him i dont know about Spectre though nah i dont think so not on his own power.
To be fare Lucifer and Michael are from mere underlings. They were created in the first place to be Yahwehs successors