Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Of course the Spectre with permission beats Phoenix.
Marvel for all we know doesnt hav a supreme being in the Christian God vein however Phoenixes role in Marvel is the exact same as the Sources so no he would not. He would stalemate Phoenix. You trolling mutha****a LOL. I luv u Whirly 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Marvel for all we know doesnt hav a supreme being in the Christian God vein however Phoenixes role in Marvel is the exact same as the Sources so no he would not. He would stalemate Phoenix. You trolling mutha****a LOL. I luv u Whirly 🙂
Again all supposition GS. Your affection is noted and reciprocated. 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Beyonder. Your understanding is abominable. Just how old are you?All of the above is largely irrelevant.
The point of bringing Strange into it in the first place is not to equate him on the hierarchy to LT, IG or any of the other cosmics, because we all know that isnt the case.
Strange was mentioned because he despite his relatively low standing in the rankings was able to counter the power of the IG. The fact that he was on the defence all the time is irrelevant. This isnt a Strange versus thread. Im not trying to infer anything about Strange other than the fact that he countered the IG. Dont you understand that?
The crux of the matter is that he countered an assault from the IG and LT countered an assault from the IG. Strange doing so doesnt change his position on the hierarchy it certainly doesnt equate him to the IG in power as it was just a counter. Same with LT. LT countered Adams assault. He did it with a snap of the fingers. He did it easier than Strange did, but thats to be expected because hes more powerful as everyone knows.
However all LT did was counter. He never matched Adam blast for blast, never fought him to a standstill and certainly never beat him. Therefore you have no evidence whatsoever to say LT's superior to the IG.
Picking at Stranges battle record is futile because youre missing the point. This isnt really about Strange. Its about the fact that LT only countered Adam. Thats all. You positively cannot say hes more powerful based on a counter.
Me highlighting the fact that Strange has countered Adam as well isnt an attempt to hype Strange up. Im just bringing attention to the fact that lower beings to have countered the power of the IG. As theyre lower you wouldnt expect them to counter as easily as LT did but at the end of the day on both occassions it was still just a counter.
As LT isnt the only one to do so it cant be seen as a feat only achievable by someone who is on par with or beyond the power of IG cos Strange isnt either and at the end of the day it was still only a counter.
Better yet, you bring those scans of Strange V. Warlock and point to where any of those attacks were different from anything Death, Nightmare, or Thanos depowered IG pulled out? Illusions and trickery. One gem at a time. What Strange did wasn't even what LT did. You seem to think Strange to restore beings like Eternity and Galactus back the way they were before Warlock attacked.
It's also funny how Warlock used his Power Gem and yet Strange moved aside to dodge it. Wow, what an attack by Warlock and a counter by Strange. Real impressive on Warlock's part considering the IG wielder to exist anywhere in space...oh wait, that's right Warlock was using the Power Gem at the time. He couldn't use the Space Gem because he'd already use it - to send Strange, Pip, and Gamora really far away! :laughing:
Compare that to Thanos using a blast that took out two Celestials and dozens of planets. Or that blast to the one that had Eternity on his knees by Warlock during the trial.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Better yet, you bring those scans of Strange V. Warlock and point to where any of those attacks were different from anything Death, Nightmare, or Thanos depowered IG pulled out? Illusions and trickery. One gem at a time. What Strange did wasn't even what LT did. You seem to think Strange to restore beings like Eternity and Galactus back the way they were before Warlock attacked.It's also funny how Warlock used his Power Gem and yet Strange moved aside to dodge it. Wow, what an attack by Warlock and a counter by Strange. Real impressive on Warlock's put considering the IG wielder to exist anywhere in space...oh wait, that's right Warlock was using the Power Gem at the time. He couldn't use the Space Gem because he'd already use it - to send Strange, Pip, and Gamora really far away! :laughing:
Irrelevant. When does a counter equate to being superior to something?
Thats a big jump my friend, if you were simply placing them on par then that would be easier to deal with albeit still unsupported.
None of your claims are backed by LT's other appearances. You have not a shred of evidence. Just your OPINION on what happened in that scene. Its a scene which is open to interpretation, nothing is conclusively stated therefore no facts can be conclusively drawn from it. Understand that.
LTs biggest display of power is creating a supernova with a single force blast a feat he stated to be his ultimate punishment and an action detailed in his bio.
Your whole argument is opinion. Even worse than that its unsupported opinion. 🙁
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Marvel for all we know doesnt hav a supreme being in the Christian God vein
Changing your opinion. Good, all that Kaballah, White Crown, Angel, and Seraphim barf was annoying everybody.
however Phoenixes role in Marvel is the exact same as the Sources so no he would not. He would stalemate Phoenix. You trolling mutha****a LOL. I luv u Whirly 🙂 [/B]
Proven by what? That she flew into the Source Wall?
1] Your using a crossover.
2] PC Darkseid mindraped her throughout the series.
3] If you want, let's play crossover: LT and Spectre teamed up to find GOD/Supreme Being - they only found the Brothers
4] LT and Spectre we responsible for the Brothers, observed by Dweller in Darkness. Phoenix beat Dweller convincing everyone not to be afraid.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Irrelevant. When does a counter equate to being superior to something?Thats a big jump my friend, if you were simply placing them on par then that would be easier to deal with albeit still unsupported.
None of your claims are backed by LT's other appearances. You have not a shred of evidence. Just your OPINION on what happened in that scene. Its a scene which is open to interpretation, nothing is conclusively stated therefore no facts can be conclusively drawn from it. Understand that.
LTs biggest display of power is creating a supernova with a single force blast a feat he stated to be his ultimate punishment and an action detailed in his bio.
Your whole argument is opinion. Even worse than that its unsupported opinion. 🙁
Bring out those scans and point to where any of Warlock's attack were even devasting compared to Thanos with the IG or Warlock during the trial? Did you see Warlock trying to convince Eternity or Chaos?
You've got nothing on LT.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Changing your opinion. Good, all that Kaballah, White Crown, Angel, and Seraphim barf was annoying everybody.Proven by what? That she flew into the Source Wall?
1] Your using a crossover.
2] PC Darkseid mindraped her throughout the series.
3] If you want, let's play crossover: LT and Spectre teamed up to find GOD/Supreme Being - they only found the Brothers
4] LT and Spectre we responsible for the Brothers, observed by Dweller in Darkness. Phoenix beat Dweller convincing everyone not to be afraid.
A classic post actually 🙂
Man...
I was thinking about getting involved in this thread, but I already see the writing on the wall.
You two should go into business together.
www.threadkillers.com/whirly&GS 👇
Spectre loses, by the way. Out of his jurisdiction.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Changing your opinion. Good, all that Kaballah, White Crown, Angel, and Seraphim barf was annoying everybody.
Nope ive admitted that my opinion (at least as far as the God connection) isnt canon as its not stated(You hear that B? Learn from me 😉 )
Originally posted by Beyonder
Proven by what? That she flew into the Source Wall?
The Source is the Big Bang, the energies of creation from which all life sprung from. Its canon that the same holds true for Phoenix. We clear buddy? 🙂
Originally posted by Beyonder
1] Your using a crossover.
2] PC Darkseid mindraped her throughout the series.
3] If you want, let's play crossover: LT and Spectre teamed up to find GOD/Supreme Being - they only found the Brothers
4] LT and Spectre we responsible for the Brothers, observed by Dweller in Darkness. Phoenix beat Dweller convincing everyone not to be afraid.
Who said i was using crossover in this instance? Incorrect buddy. Bit too quick on the trigger 🙁
Originally posted by Beyonder
Bring out those scans and point to where any of Warlock's attack were even devasting compared to Thanos with the IG or Warlock during the trial? Did you see Warlock trying to convince Eternity or Chaos?You've got nothing on LT.
No. You have nothing on LT which is why you diverted to the Phoenix thing 🙂
A counter does not equate to being superior. Nowhere is it stated or shown that LT is superior to or even equal to the IG in power.
No on panel evidence to back it. Theory goes down the drain 🙁