Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Bullshit you? Namor wasn't fighting at full power in neither of their fights.THIS is Namor's full force punch:
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/2563/incrediblehulk118187ji.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3936/incrediblehulk118195ly.jpgSaying that he hit Wolverine with anywhere close to full power on any of their encounters, now THATS bullshit.
Originally posted by marvelprince
And other than the time at which it happened what is different about the process. An i admit that you are right, Wolverine's entire skeleton system is infact adamantium. However his connective tissue, which is part of his muscular system, is still just that...muscle. That is unless his muscles are also adamantium, i think i missed the issue where he talks about his adamantium glutes and pecs. lol 😆 lol
I alreayd post 4 issue that show that wolverines skeleton is all attached
Originally posted by Boozing
that wolverines skeleton is all attached. like I said I ****ing gvae u the issue numbers. they show clearly that his adamatium bones are all attached to eachother.
Yes and i checked it. Melted arm flesh not clearly showing and connective tissus as such cannot be discounted. Dead Logan's skeleton pix and even the separated bones. How does that prove anything again?
And furthermore since you maintain that you proved his skeletons are all attached, kindly please explain to us of lesser knowledge how is he able to move.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Yes and i checked it. Melted arm flesh not clearly showing and connective tissus as such cannot be discounted. Dead Logan's skeleton pix and even the separated bones. How does that prove anything again?And furthermore since you maintain that you proved his skeletons are all attached, kindly please explain to us of lesser knowledge how is he able to move.
again i don't know how he can move, I just proved how it attached.
how can namor fly?
how can banner turn into hulk?
how can sentry have the power of a million exploding suns?
how can spiderman shoot webs ?
again the comics I posted clearly show the his bones are connected to eachother. they show that his muscle and skinn are gone but yet his arm is still connected same with the other issue I stated.
Originally posted by Boozing
again i don't know how he can move, I just proved how it attached.
how can namor fly?
how can banner turn into hulk?
how can sentry have the power of a million exploding suns?
how can spiderman shoot webs ?
again the comics I posted clearly show the his bones are connected to eachother. they show that his muscle and skinn are gone but yet his arm is still connected same with the other issue I stated.
Considering all those explanations have been stated one time or another in comics and are pretty much given, i cannot say it's exactly the same logic as Wolverine not having any connective tissue.
Point 1. He moves like a normal human. Surely there has to be an explanation for that. There hasn't been anything seen in comics that showed an adamantium being flexible cept for all Deathlok not even on the scenes desribing the process of the adamantium bonding process to wolverine. Even Ultron needed a molecular re-arranager to just move his all adamantium body.
Point 2. It hasn't been stated AFAIK anywhere in comics(brings out to your analogy, there was no explanation for the ones above but one time or another been specifically mentioned or discussed even questioned). If you can site an evidence, i'll be more than happy to change my stance.
Point 3. Just because it hasn't been showned doesn't mean it's not there. remember this comic book like what you've mentioned a while ago, they need not go into too much detail and the connective tissues not appearing might simply be the result of them just plainly oblivious or just ignored them. It could be the same as anthromorphic exxagerations. Some characters we accept, some are just plain bullshit impossibly unproportional.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Considering all those explanations have been stated one time or another in comics and are pretty much given, i cannot say it's exactly the same logic as Wolverine not having any connective tissue.
my bad. The word in bold is suppossed to be situation and not explanation. I just can't edit the original(15 minutes past and then i just noticed).
Spider-man wins, I'd say even assuming wolv.s joints are magically/miraculously/ridiculously made of solid adamantium. More speed/strength/agility + better reflexes/precog-spidersense means the fight's spidey's to lose.
If somehow wolvie can't be knocked unconscious(which nets the fight for spidey, a ko is a ko, he doesn't need to kill him to effectively win.), which I'm sure is something that's happened to him in the past, but assuming he can't spidey just has to beat him up and immobilize(which nets the win) or kill him by resorting to using stuff in the surrounding environment(take a light post and bend it around him so as to stop him from using his arms/claws, throw him in a volcano, tie him and drown him, etc).
PS
BTW what does "Pis" mean
Eh.
Out of all the superheros, there is probably not a stronger following then to spider man and wolverine. I don't mean solely fans, I mean fanboys. Stereotypical "Wolvergod" or "spidergod" fanboys.
However, if we look at powers, and powers alone. We can see this:
Spider man vs. Wolverine
10 tons vs. ~1000 pounds
Speed to dodge.....anything(doc Ock's tentacles?) vs. speed to dodge human warriors.
Webs (I'm aware they arent 'allowed' in this match up, Im just looking at aspects of the character) vs. claws
And lastly, in durability....there is probably equal comic-based support for each.
Taking reader opinions, author opinions, and general bias out of the equation, spiderman (with or without webs) will probably take this fight at LEAST 60% of the time, realistically, 80-90%. There really is no conceivable way for Wolverine to match him. The only way Wolverine truly outclasses peter is in skill. Wolverine has trained with the best, and could probably match Captain America in sheer skill, but as we have seen a million times in comics, if person A is more than ten times stronger than person B, it doesn't matter how many styles person B has mastered. He is getting ***** slapped.
As far as which character I prefer? Wolverine. 100%. I like the idea of a strong character, who could kick ass after ass by himself, and is ENHANCED by his mutations. He knows damn near every fighting style, unarmed, and armed, and is pretty much Captain America's equal in Strength, agility, and durability - that is, peak human capacity. Then....regeneration and claws.
It wins it for me over a teen who got super powers from a spider. Eh. To each his own.
Even WITH my bias, I can see that spider man could not POSSIBLY fail to whoop up on wolverine. One is peak human + regeneration and claws, and the other is a super human in every sense of the word. It is THAT easy to see. All these fanboys just need to be more realistic, grow up, and be a little more mature.
Oh, and I'm new to the forum - what is CIS? PIS? Any other important acronyms I should know?
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
martial arts, weaponx, shield,samaria,w/e training
Are they equal on stats. Last time i heard spider-man is a lot more stronger, faster and has a danger sense. I don't see how much effective training that revolves around normal human combatant would work. If only spider-man was a comparable equal to him, that would've made such a difference.
hightened senses
Is Peter sneaking in or hiding for some reason?
healing factor,adamantuim skeleton and claws, or knowledge of fighting.
Those are the point that gives him a fighting chance and not the ones above. Add in the willingness to kill and go all out. Knowledge in fighting goes for both cause ASM alone has 500+ issue where he deals with a wide variety of foes.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Yes wolverine has no martial arts,weaponx, shield,samaria,w/e training, healing factor,adamantuim skeleton and claws, hightened senses or knowledge of fighting .
I do believe I noted his "martial arts, weapon x, shield, samaria, w/e training, healing factor, adamantuim skeleton, claws, and knowledge of fighting."
Please, for the love of god, learn how to string a sentence together a little better, send it through spell check a few times, and THEN post it. Anyways.
I DID allude to his training, which encompasses most of what you talked about. I also mentioned that all the training in the world will not save you from someone who has over 20 times the brute strength you do. The only thing I DIDN'T mention in my post is his heightened (yes, that's how you spell it) senses. Mostly because, while he can smell someone sneaking up on him, or track someone down, it isn't like a spider sense, in a straight up "cage" fight, or what not, his senses aren't going to help much.
Originally posted by Boozing
funny he in water in that pic and thats the only time he done that.
Water is Namors NATURAL environment, so all fights he does in ground are, in fact fights with weakened Namor, unless he is straight from water, which he wasn't in the Invaders fight, or the other fight, and he wasn't fighting to his fullest on either.
The punch Namor makes here is not even close to his strongest...and it stills send Thing (who is heavier then Wolverine) flying.
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7751/namorfeat1020mm.gif
And he makes it on ground...pretty clear that he was not punching Wolverine with full power.
Re: Eh.
Originally posted by Soljer
Oh, and I'm new to the forum - what is CIS? PIS? Any other important acronyms I should know?
Nice, more intelligent new members. 🙂
Explanations:
"Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates."
Also, other rules are at this link: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t308157.html
