You're debating my existence? Humorous.
Anyway, he didn't commend my intelligence because I agreed with him, or at least I would hope not. I believe he claimed that we had another intelligent poster because I know how to use a complex sentence, and I don't misspell every other word. I also have a basic grasp of logic, which seems to put me miles ahead of the common poster here.
The ONLY thing Logan has over Pete is skill. His years training and mastering different arts. We have seen time and time again in the marvel universe that skill does not win over brute strength. And many times, brute strength will not win over insurmountable speed. Spidey beats Logan in both categories. I like Wolverine as the character, I would rather read about his stories, his adventures, I love seeing him do excell and beat his enemies, I love seeing him wriggle into a tight spot, and the burst free, seemingly unharmed.
However, what I WON'T see him do, is the impossible, and against spiderman, with or without his webbing, a win is pretty close to impossible.
And if sentences won't get this point across to you, let us see if we can teach you some basic logic.
If a implies b, and a is true, b is also true. Logic doesn't get simpler.
Now let us apply it.
In the marvel universe, if someone has far greater strength then his opponent, and is also faster, no ammount of skill will bridge this gap.
Spiderman has far greater strength than logan, and is faster. His skill won't bridge the gap.
If a, then b. a is true, b is true. Get it yet?
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedPIS nbecause you don't like it? How amusing fanboy. How utterly amusing.
Look again at the explanation on wolverine's thought. It stated he has adamantium bones. How does adamantium bones prevent ligaments, joint, tendons or other connective tissues from being torn apart?That's PIS or more appropriately, it might not have worked if he was try to tear his entire body apart and not just a single limb or head.
Spider-man is only gunning for the head and not the entire body.
How about you show 616 wolverine successfully ripped apart?
Oh yeah that's right it never happened, but hey Spiderman is stronger than grey hulk right?
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedWishful thinking. One would think it logical for what the owners of the intelecctual property to depict as happening being the given, and not your fanboy delusions. . .Use common sense next time and not spider sense. It might work better when trying to reach a logical conclusion.
First of all, it's uncertain of Ba'al's s.l. whether he's 100 or below.http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/baalhadad.htm
Second, seen those scans. Some of it didn't gave shot of Wolverine having ligaments or tendons. That doesn't discount he hasn't have them. The one with the arm is logically PIS considering it's all bones. I mean, how the hell is it connected at all? There's really no logic whatsover to it. It's like Marvel forgot there's such a thing that exist or could just be playing artistic effect of providing artistical views on Wolverine's skeletal innards.
I really dunno how to rule how is it even possible. Just get this, it's plain impossible for him to move if it's all adamantium. It's should be considered as mere plot stupidity and nothing more.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedIt's illogical for a comic book character to do exactly what the owner of the fictional character wants him to do?
Well it's not only illogical,
Originally posted by Sixth_Wingedits a fictional medium that has a person gaining poowers from a fried spider. . . Suspension of disbeleif only applies to one character and not the other?
it's plain impossible.
This double standard hypocrasy is what earns you the label of fanboy, fanboy.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedLike collosus?
Otherwise Logan would stand there and won't be able to move
Oh wait only apply "logic" to wolverine right?
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedOr nothing that we currently know of. . . molecules only came into existence when they were invented with the electron microscpoe right flat-earther?
or if he did, the bones will limp off considering nothing is holding it apart.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedNo yoiu''ll interpret it the way you want it to be rather than the way it is. Dead or alive his skeleton was intact, you can't accept that fact? That's too damned bad.
He is shown as he is normally depicted in a fight using all of those abilities. And if i'm not mistaken, some of those pics are him already dead. the skeleton might have already been gone of course. So he is depicted here as alive, a mutant who basically has an unbelievably fast hf and adamantium bonded skeleton. He's not stated to have any bonded with aside from his skeleton. I'll take it as i interpret it and he is showned that way.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedAnd spiderman once agian acheives that which those stronger than him failed to do. . . Funny.
No way is he healing his way from decapitation and there is simply no way his skeletal system is made without any connective tissues unless stated.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedHmm. . .
I won't try to argue further about how it looks like cause for all we know, the artist could have just decided not to include it when he draws logan and not eliminate the fact that he still has them.
Originally posted by marvelprinceNon-cannon feats override cannon feats? Why am I not surprised?
Jus look at ultimate Wolverine and how the Hulk pulled him apart.
Ultimates is not 616. . .
Originally posted by marvelprinceAnd he lied or was mistaken. Seeing as how Wolverine was holding back at that point I suspect he lied to spare Pete's ego.
Also in the Spider-Man vs Wolverine when Spider-Man grabbed his neck, didn't he know what SM was planning on doing. Basically he acknowlegded that what SM was planning to do would work.
Originally posted by marvelprinceGoing to. . but didn't. . .
Oh and in the X-men where the met Nightcrawler's father in 'hell', they were going to pull off his arms and then souder the eound so he wouldn't heal from that. Prove that his limbs whcih can be taking off from their joints
Yeah, shoulda would a coulda overrides fact? Again, no surprises there.
Originally posted by marvelprinceSo Spiderman has a better healing factor than Wolverine?
And SM's stamina isn't horribly slow. He does have super-human endurance and has been shown fighting for 12 hrs straight before.
Keep dreaming.
Originally posted by marvelprinceYou mean like how it didn't? Twice?
Also SM may not be as strong as Wolverine's other opponnents, but he is much faster. A melee of punches against Wolverine's skull is sure to do some damage.
Originally posted by marvelprinceHow?
Close, but Spider-Man still takes this.
Originally posted by marvelprinceHasn't worked before. . . why would it work now?
Besides the fact that i think that Wolverine regrowing his heads is PIS, i don't think thats really the point. If he just hit him hard enough on his neck he could conceivably break his spinal cord. Wolvie might eventually heal, but at least there is KO
Originally posted by marvelprinceReread what you said. Then try to give that poor atrophied grey matter in your cranium some excersice and actually think for a change.
How is it different? The only difference that i can remember between 616 and ultimate wolverine is that in ultimate adamantium is only semi-indestructible. And besides that, what about the example in X-Men
Originally posted by marvelprinceOnly because you're blinded by your fanboyism.
Sorry but i just don't understand you. Wolverine's neck is attached yes. But its attached like beads on a chain. The beads are indestructible but if you severe the link...you get the picture. The proof you have is not conclusive,
People have tried to seperate Wolverine's bones and failed.
Cutting, burning and ripping have all failed. . yet Spiderman is magically going to do what has failed multiple times in the past? Funny.
Originally posted by marvelprinceAnd yet his arm has not been severed before? Gee, what does that tell you?
as what i'm refering to happened along last year, i think. Diagrams in question only showed the bones in his arm, not the connective tissue.
Originally posted by marvelprinceWhen has his neck been snapped?
And when Wolvie's neck was snapped was his spinal cord also broken? If not its a moot point
Originally posted by marvelprinceOh so something a character was planning to do but never did, proves that it could happen despite it failing to happen in the past?
The example i mean is when Nightcrawler's father was planning to remove Wolverine's arms by cutting them off at the joints and then healing up the wound. He knew all about Wolverine and his adamantium skeleton and he knew that the joints were weak spots so to speak. This seems a lil more conclussive than what you have given me so far
It seems that Hulk is nearly succeeding here...at least Wolverine is in pain:
http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/7718/pullingapart4br.gif
Originally posted by marvelprinceYert he moves AND can't be severed, guess that blows your wishfull thinking theory clean out of the water, doesn't it?
Don't have my issue in front of me, i have the one before that. I know its from Uncanny X-men and the arc was "The draco". If you have scans that would great. And anyway, no one is debating that Wolverine's skeleton and bones are adamantium, but he still only have regular connective tissue, something that the diagrams did not show. So it stands to reason that Azazel simply deduced this and figured it out. It doesn't take a degree in Wolverine to realize that its impossible for his connective tissue to be adamantium, otherwize he wouldn't be able to move.
*waits for fanboy denial*
Originally posted by marvelprinceBe it real or technologically based powers indlucding his damned skeleton. OR else Dr. Doom being powered by a blackhole certian disproves that weak attempt.
And please don't counter with its a comic book so it doesn't have to be logical. It doesn't. But it is. Marvel makes sure that reality is suspended generally only where the powers are concerned. Everything, at least recently, is factually based.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Oh and to clarify, i now the diff between ultimate and 616 Marvel in terms of history and continuity.
And yet you tried to use something from ultimates to prove 616. . .
Originally posted by marvelprinceAnd then ignore the information anyway. . cute.
I follow both closely.
Originally posted by marvelprinceLet's see, people try to rip him apart in 616 and fail. . people try to cut and burn him apart and fail. . . it happens once in ultimates. . . and yet they are similar enough to use?
I meant how is the bonding process different from 616 to ultimate Wolverine to the point where i can't compare the two.
ultimates isn't cannon to 616.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerI'd be surprised if attempts sucessful or failures didn't hurt.
It seems that Hulk is nearly succeeding here...at least Wolverine is in pain:
http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/7718/pullingapart4br.gif
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedYou mean when only the skeleton remained and was still connected, as in not a pile of bones but an actual skeleton? Or when his flesh was burned off and his arm was still attatched?
what evidence? you mean when he's already dead and their showing his evidence or when his arm flesh was melted off and we couldn't properly tell if the connective tissues are still there?
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedAnd yet here you are doing that very thing? Funny.
I rationalize it so we can interpret what are the factors here more clearly. I didn't try to enforce strict science when a man w/ claws a foot long can unsheath it in his forearms.
Hulk has not very good leverage, though, he's pulling from claws...if he'd grab from wrists, the result might be different, has anyone who is in Hulk's strenght class ever tried to snap Wolverine's neck or pull apart his limbs?
Originally posted by Creshosk
You mean when only the skeleton remained and was still connected, as in not a pile of bones but an actual skeleton? Or when his flesh was burned off and his arm was still attatched?
Hmm...I've seen human skeletons with their arms connected even when there is nothing but skeleton left...
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerThat's not grey hulk in the picture Quadeight posted?
Hulk has not very good leverage, though, he's pulling from claws...if he'd grab from wrists, the result might be different, has anyone who is in Hulk's strenght class ever tried to snap Wolverine's neck or pull apart his limbs?
Even with poor leverage, Hulk failed to rip his arms off, or even the claws out. . . What chance does Spiderman have even with better leverage?
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerUsually mummified or speciall displayed. OR are you saying it's normal for skeletons to remain in one piece when the flesh is cut or burned or even attempted to be ripped?
Hmm...I've seen human skeletons with their arms connected even when there is nothing but skeleton left...
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerYou mean like the Spiderbeating Wolveirne has taken before? No, obviously not as the implication is that the punches will do something more than cause pain.
Same with Spider-Man.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerThere are those that claim that the adamantium doesn't absorb any of the blow and it's all directly transfered to the brain. . . Other's think that the adreniline helped wolverine. . . Who knows why exactly? We do know that outside of it being neccisery to the plot or other circumstances which are often not mentioned it is hard for Wolverine to be knocked out through pure physical force.
Only reason why he was still concious was probably because adamantium skull was shieling his brains like a helmet.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedWhy are you even saying that there is no conective tissue?
Wow you sure don't read my post, don't you.I don't need to repeat myself but once again, your "proof" don't invalidate the fact that wolverine walks, moves, acts like a normal humanoid. Saying there's no connective tissues present in his skeletal structure leaves me with the loss of words.
Wolverine moves normally and can't be detatched from limbs in 616. . . yet despite the occurances where there have been failed attempts you beleive that Spiderman doing it this time will be successful?
