Originally posted by jinzin"If you can't explain it, it doesn't matter if that's the way it happens, it still happens the way I want, though the proof is not in my favor."
so.. basically... after reading through this what I'm getting is a wolverine rule of thumb here...
the rule being...if wolverine's done it....
it doesn't count...
🙄.... whatever...
I'd like these people to explain to me how light works, EXACTLY how light works, down to the very minisculeist detail, until I'm satisfied with their answer. . . if they can't then light doesn't work. Period.
That's their logic anyway. .
Originally posted by Creshosk
"If you can't explain it, it doesn't matter if that's the way it happens, it still happens the way I want, though the proof is not in my favor."I'd like these people to explain to me how light works, EXACTLY how light works, down to the very minisculeist detail, until I'm satisfied with their answer. . . if they can't then light doesn't work. Period.
That's their logic anyway. .
seriously..
I mean it would be one thing if this wasn't as common as it is, but this shit goes down in EVERY wolvie thread....
fanboys: wolverine can't take a hulk punch
fact: wolverine's taken tons of hulk punches...
fanboys: he can be ripped apart.
fact: he hasn't been ripped apart in spite of characters like hulk, ba'al, and cyber trying...
fanboys: spiderman can KO him
fact: spiderman's tried, and tried and has yet to succeed.
fanboys:wolverine can't touch spiderman..
fact: every hostile encounter between the two says different.
fanboys:wolverine can be KOed by bullets
fact: one 616 example lacking serious circumstances has yet to be provided.
fanboys: wolverine should be sent flying
fact: every character should be sent flying
fanboys: wolverine should be KOed by forced because admantium doesn't absorb impact..
fact: he's not KOed by force that often
fanboys: logic should apply to wolverine
fact: then they should apply to everyone...
pfffft.
Originally posted by jinzinAnd you know how much I love that last one, it's improper termonology, but if I don't use the same terms they do they wouldn't understand what thell I was talking about.
seriously..I mean it would be one thing if this wasn't as common as it is, but this shit goes down in EVERY wolvie thread....
fanboys: wolverine can't take a hulk punch
fact: wolverine's taken tons of hulk punches...fanboys: he can be ripped apart.
fact: he hasn't been ripped apart in spite of characters like hulk, ba'al, and cyber trying...fanboys: spiderman can KO him
fact: spiderman's tried, and tried and has yet to succeed.fanboys:wolverine can't touch spiderman..
fact: every hostile encounter between the two says different.fanboys:wolverine can be KOed by bullets
fact: one 616 example lacking serious circumstances has yet to be provided.fanboys: wolverine should be sent flying
fact: every character should be sent flyingfanboys: wolverine should be KOed by forced because admantium doesn't absorb impact..
fact: he's not KOed by force that oftenfanboys: logic should apply to wolverine
fact: then they should apply to everyone...pfffft.
I certainly hope the people that object to wolverine's numerous appearences don't object to a new series I just learned about. . . I mean hey Wolverine is (un)dead in it after all. . . It's absolutly hilarious and I'm sure that's the way it was intended. . .
Originally posted by jinzinMartyr complex much...? Works better when you're character is obscure or has zero fanbase... and neither is the case.
seriously..I mean it would be one thing if this wasn't as common as it is, but this shit goes down in EVERY wolvie thread....
Originally posted by jinzin
fanboys: wolverine can't take a hulk punch
fact: wolverine's taken tons of hulk punches...
Originally posted by jinzinHis hand has been blown off by Cyclops visor, Hulk can exert more force than that. Whether or not the bonding process is different is inconclusive.
fanboys: he can be ripped apart.
fact: he hasn't been ripped apart in spite of characters like hulk, ba'al, and cyber trying...
Originally posted by jinzinDo harpoons count?
fanboys:wolverine can be KOed by bullets
fact: one 616 example lacking serious circumstances has yet to be provided.
Originally posted by jinzinThis should depend upon the transfer of momentum, but if I suspend disbelief I can accept Colossus resisting via his strength a punch from Thing and vice versa. But Wolverine? (Or Spider-Man for that matter.)
fanboys: wolverine should be sent flying
fact: every character should be sent flying
Originally posted by jinzinWhich is not to say he cannot be KOed by force.
fanboys: wolverine should be KOed by forced because admantium doesn't absorb impact..
fact: he's not KOed by force that often
Originally posted by jinzinIf it is beyond the realms of their defined powerset then yes it probably should.
fanboys: logic should apply to wolverine
fact: then they should apply to everyone...
Originally posted by jinzinPffft, yourself.... throwing around words like fanboy... for shame...
pfffft.
A pox on both your houses.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotOr not, seeing as how the other characters aren't Wolverine. . . Just a thought.
Martyr complex much...? Works better when you're character is obscure or has zero fanbase... and neither is the case.Which basically disregards everything else Hulk is capable of.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotNot in cannon.
His hand has been blown off by Cyclops visor,
Originally posted by xmarksthespotAnd only a theory to explain data available, it being conclusive or inconclusive has no bearing on the data at hand.
Hulk can exert more force than that. Whether or not the bonding process is different is inconclusive.
The fallacists fallacy. 😉
Originally posted by xmarksthespotWait stats again? Joy. . .
If it is beyond the realms of their defined powerset then yes it probably should.
Originally posted by Creshosk🤨? I'm tired... You lost me...
Or not, seeing as how the other characters aren't Wolverine. . . Just a thought.
Originally posted by CreshoskMeh.
Not in cannon.
Originally posted by CreshoskIt's not the only theory. It's one theory. You're theory. The "data available" doesn't include that Legion Quest, at least according to the text within it, only sends the four back 20 years.
And only a theory to explain data available, it being conclusive or inconclusive has no bearing on the data at hand.The fallacists fallacy. 😉
The theory assumes the skeleton was bonded incorrectly or differently, based on the assumption that if bonded correctly the skeleton cannot be severed at any point. Based on three or four examples vs Wolverine having the ability to move in every single appearance he's ever had. Which is the writer flaw? I don't know, my mind tells me the former... but hey that's just IMO.
Originally posted by CreshoskOh boo hoo... you wanted canon well it's canon...
Wait stats again? Joy. . .
Spider-Man. Wolverine. Wolverine. Spider-Man... it's of no consequence to me... Blink, Shadowcat and Krang can kill them both...
Originally posted by xmarksthespotIt's not disregarding everything hulk does if a character goes against the norm. This character has something about him that allows him to, some thing that we might not know about that the other things hulk has done does not.
🤨? I'm tired... You lost me...
Do not discard variables because they are not known, or because they do not suit you.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotYEs you are tired. it's amazing how one little letter can change the entire meaning of not only a sentence but everything that's being said. I'm sure if you reread my post (even where you quoted me) you'll notice the little letter that I'm talking about that changes the sentiment from "it's only" theory to "only A theory" as in it's only one theory.
It's not the only theory. It's one theory.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotEven looking at other events should tell you.
You're theory. The "data available" doesn't include that Legion Quest, at least according to the text within it, only sends the four back 20 years.
As I said, while the original 5 X-men were running around and even fighting Magneto Wolverine was in the CIA for quite a few years. That's all you really need to know.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotThe theory explains the descrpencies between universes. That is it's only purpose. It does not alter any data.
The theory assumes the skeleton was bonded incorrectly or differently,
Originally posted by xmarksthespotNeither. You are trying to discard data here.
based on the assumption that if bonded correctly the skeleton cannot be severed at any point. Based on three or four examples vs Wolverine having the ability to move in every single appearance he's ever had. Which is the writer flaw?
He moves, and he cannot be severed.
That is the data available. This data does not hold to other universes. In other's he can be severed. How do you exaplain it? Tiny springs?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotYou're wishful thinking desire tells you the former, which flies in the face of the present data of 616 not being cut, burned or ripped apart.
I don't know, my mind tells me the former...
YOUR theory doesn't hold because of the data available. Sorry.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
but hey that's just IMO.
Oh boo...Spider-Man. Wolverine. Wolverine. Spider-Man... it's of no consequence to me... Blink, Shadowcat and Krang can kill them both...
Shadowcat. . . Wolverine is a given. . Spiderman I'm not so certain.
Krang? Depends on the incarnation and what he has a vailable to him.
Originally posted by dvampireThis much was appearent from Spiderman (in any form close enough to his original form) and Wolverine (in any form close enough to his original form.)
This is going to be another loooooooong vs. thread. 🙁
But hopefully it can be kept civil (sorry for my earlier outbursts, I'm quite stressed out, I should be asleep but can't sleep due to nervousness). And hopefully something new can be gained(ha! how's that for supreme optimism?).
Originally posted by Creshosk
PIS nbecause you don't like it? How amusing fanboy. How utterly amusing.
or possibly because your post consist of ridiculous one-sided bias arguments and dislike for anyone who disagrees. Fanboy, oh please. Just look at your signature, lot's of credibility being fair there.
How about you show 616 wolverine successfully ripped apart?
How about someone already tried, didn't succeed because of "adamantium bones"
Oh yeah that's right it never happened, but hey Spiderman is stronger than grey hulk right?
Nope, that bs just came from you.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedYes fanboy.
or possibly because your post consist of ridiculous one-sided bias arguments and dislike for anyone who disagrees. Fanboy, oh please.
One sided bias arguments? Like "spiderman can rip Wolverine in two"?
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedSo he can't be ripped apart due to adamantium bones?
How about someone already tried, didn't succeed because of "adamantium bones"
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedSorry, green hulk. . . Hey, a green Hulk failed to rip him apart. So if you're saying that Spiderman will succeed where Hulk failed, you're basically saying that Spiderman is stronger than Hulk.
Nope, that bullshit just came from outta your head.
So no, the only bullshit, is the bullshit of "spiderman can rip him in two".
Yes I'm tired. Yes tiny springs. Shadowcat kicks his ass... Wolverine said so himself. Krang has the Technodrome.
Originally posted by dvampireAnd it shouldn't be... people should just say their piece and then leave it be since there was already a huge thread about this (as I will after this post so don't try and point out any dramatic irony).
This is going to be another loooooooong vs. thread. 🙁
Yes, people need to realise that defense of Wolverine in itself does not equate to being a fanboy.
But, likewise others need to get it through their head that just because people not thinking Wolverine wins, and not accepting absolutely everything about him that makes no sense.. isn't the same as if they hypothetically speaking pushed your retarded little brother down the stairs. He has unbreakable bones. Check. He has a healing factor that enables him to recover from near fatal injury given adequate time. Check. He has three claws that are housed in his forearms and extend via mental commant. Check. He can't be knocked out by anything short of a meteor crashing into him? Sorry no. He has full range of motion but has adamantium ligaments and tendons? Sorry no. Limiting suspension of disbelief doesn't instantaneously make people a) fanboys of the other character or b) Wolverine haters. Just because someone doesn't love something as much as you doesn't mean they hate it...
It's so spite thread time...
Originally posted by Creshosk
No yoiu''ll interpret it the way you want it to be rather than the way it is. Dead or alive his skeleton was intact, you can't accept that fact? That's too damned bad.
Sure. I'm not really that all to fond of yours, so i'll stick to my own.
And spiderman once agian acheives that which those stronger than him failed to do. . . Funny.
riiiiiight.....Wolverine record any better? *LOL*
Originally posted by xmarksthespotI don't need wolverine saying that. I know Kitty kicks Wolvies ass. Spiderman is more of a challenge.
Yes I'm tired. Yes tiny springs. Shadowcat kicks his ass... Wolverine said so himself.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotKrang beats both of there asses with the push of a button. . . IT's that easy.
Krang has the Technodrome.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotDramatic irony?
And it shouldn't be... people should just say their piece and then leave it be (as I will after this post so don't try and point out any dramatic irony).
Originally posted by xmarksthespotOr anyone for that matter. . . Except Rhino, or blob. . . or any other jobber. . . Because only a fanboy could love a jobber in a way that has them defending them. . . Unless it's a really damned good argument.
Yes, people need to realise that defense of Wolverine in itself does not equate to being a fanboy.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotWell, no, but it takes more than most people will accept as well. . .
But, likewise others need to get it through their head that just because people not thinking Wolverine wins, and not accepting absolutely everything about him that makes no sense.. isn't the same as if they hypothetically speaking pushed your retarded little brother down the stairs. He has unbreakable bones. Check. He has a healing factor that enables him to recover from near fatal injury given adequate time. Check. He has three claws that are housed in his forearms and extend via mental commant. Check. He can't be knocked out by anything short of a meteor crashing into him? Sorry no.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotI'm not sure what it is, obviously not adamantium tendons and ligiments as those are not drawn in when we can see his skeleton. That's why I'm leaving it more ambigous.
He has full range of motion but has adamantium ligaments and tendons? Sorry no.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotIt's the one sided hypocracy 😉 .
Limiting suspension of disbelief doesn't instantaneously make people a) fanboys of the other character or b) Wolverine haters. Just because someone doesn't love something as much as you doesn't mean they hate it...
Originally posted by xmarksthespotGod I hope not, neither of these characters need any more attention than they are currently receiving. . . which is also too much. . particularly hooverspleen . . luberscreen. . . What the hell does Wolverine rhyme with?
It's so spite thread time...
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedOwn what? Interpritation?
Sure. I'm not really that all to fond of yours, so i'll stick to my own.
Sure avoid reality further, I simply stated the fact.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedI'm pretty sure Wolverine has failed to rip himself in two. . I'm not even sure if he's tried. . . other than trying to get out of times he's bound up. . .
riiiiiight.....Wolverine record any better? *LOL*
Originally posted by Creshosk
Yes fanboy.One sided bias arguments? Like "spiderman can rip Wolverine in two"?
If you can site any posts where I explicitly claim for him to be able to do so, be my guess.
You know there some saying about looking in the mirror before calling someone names. You might not know what troll might just pop out.
So he can't be ripped apart due to adamantium bones?
*cough* sarcasm *cough*
Sorry, green hulk. . . Hey, a green Hulk failed to rip him apart. So if you're saying that Spiderman will succeed where Hulk failed, you're basically saying that Spiderman is stronger than Hulk."So no, the only bullshit, is the bullshit of "spiderman can rip him in two".
Wow, as if he tried. But if you stick with that analogy, he got koed before with a glancing blow. Spider-man was able to stick for more. So i'd guess his less durable now isn't he?
It would be dramatic irony If I were to say that people shouldn't repetitively post in this thread without realising my doing so...
Damn you Creshosk you wiley minx... droolio
What's one sided hypocrisy...? I'm tired... 🙁
Sure Wolverine and Spider-Man have tonnes of threads... but Captain Planet and Papa Smurf have so few.... and I feel sorry for them...
Originally posted by Creshosk
Own what? Interpritation?Sure avoid reality further, I simply stated the fact.
What fact?
Oh right, you're agreeing with the fact Logan doesn't have connective tissues and that it's all skeleton.
I'm pretty sure Wolverine has failed to rip himself in two. . I'm not even sure if he's tried. . . other than trying to get out of times he's bound up. . .
What's that? Uhmm.....
"Wolverine rip himself"??? WTF
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedThern why argure the point of him being able to be ripped apart?
If you can site any posts where I explicitly claim for him to be able to do so, be my guess.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedI do, and don't see what I'm accsuing you of being. Sorry.
You know there some saying about looking in the mirror before calling someone names. You might not know what troll might pop out.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedFigured as much, but part of mre was hoping you'd drop the point after that. . .
*cough* sarcasm *cough*
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedThe minority of the events. . . do not determine the majority of the outcome.
Wow, as if he tried. But if you stick with that analogy, he got koed before with a glancing blow.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedStick for more? Than one hulk punch? Wolverine has survived more than one hulk punch. What justification is ther e for Spiderman to have done so?
Spider-man was able to stick for more. So i'd guess his less durable now isn't he?
Originally posted by Sixth_Wingedthe fact that there were no remaining attatching ligiments in the sources sited for exposed skeleton.
What fact?
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedSomething about the skeleton that's doing the work. Do you even know what the hell you're talking about?
Oh right, you're agreeing with the fact Logan doesn't have connective tissues and that it's all skeleton.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedThat's the record you've got to be talking about because that's the one I was talking about.
What's that? Uhmm....."Wolverine rip himself"??? WTF