Could spidey beat wolvie with out webs?

Started by jinzin23 pages

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So you think that triple-lined kevlar and nomex-weave suit is apparently enough to make you survive punches from beings that can literally lift billions of tons, and apparently stops also the punches causing any internal damage. You also seem to think that Batman is fast enough to roll with punches coming near-lightspeeds at him...and it is not like the rolling would have much effect on a punch of that magnitude...

Okay, I would say that you are probably the only one here to think so... 😕

punches aren't an "everything I've got punch" there's not billions of tons of lifting power behind them.

second off..... his suit in the movies is not his suit in the comics... you should at least be rational enough to realize that.... 🤨

and finally.. spectra is a type of armor that is induced with alien tech.. yeah it's entirely possible for him to take those shots... unless of course you have hardcore scientific evidence against alien tech... 🙄

I bench 200 plus but I doubt I could punch with that force. The steal door ripped off the hinges(sp error) or around it.

Originally posted by steverules
I'm not so sure that batman can take punches from superman, I remember in 'a death in the family' batman hit superman and neally broke his hand.

he can to some extent take them.... with his suit ....................
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which was always the argument....

the waqy they talk about it, you'd think batman only wore spandex or something.... 😕

but superman hit him in supes/bats number 3 and he survived....

but of course.. that doesn't bode well for spiderman taking out batman in one punch like they all wanted to believe so thus the "i don't like it, it didn't happen" argument started up all over again.

Doesn't bats role with those punches and not beinbg punched against a wall.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Good post. Anybody who thinks he can is insane. 😆 They should however report to any Superman Vs threads and say "Supes can't even kill Batman!!!! He loses"

DC must be insane... pffft... again... the ignorance of making fun of people for doing nothing more than believing a FICTIONAL character can do what a fictional character HAS DONE in their own RESPECTIVE fictional world.... regardless of the explainations given numerous times and evidence to back it up.... doh

Originally posted by brainchild81
The nutshot only shows that when Spidey's not trying to hurt you, he can grab you in a hold that is easily gotten out of if he just stands there and lets you. I've seen Spidey put holds on people that couldn't be broken out of.

actually it showed a few things....
first off.. webbing didn't work... AGAIN...

second off infallible spider sense DID NOT WORK.... AGAIN....

and finally... that grabbing wolverine leaves him open for attack... simple as... if you refuse to see at LEAST that much then there's no point in further debating with you.

Originally posted by brainchild81
There are a few ways Spidey(with his superhuman strength, speed and flexibility) can grab Wolvie that Wolvie would be powerless to break free off. .
good for him.... now lets see him apply it to wolverine....

Originally posted by brainchild81
i'm not talking about Spidey putting wolvie in locks and holds anyway. I'm just talking about flesh removal. Won't take that long for Spidey because of the strength and speed..

which he would have to grab logan in order to do.... he's going to have a hard enough time "dodging everything" that the chances of this flesh removal task working are extremely slim... yet you think the odds are in his favor here... 😕

Originally posted by brainchild81
Make no mistake dude, I know Spidey's endurance is nothing compared to Wolvie's. He has however fought for days though. Spidey wore himself out in that book because he was fighting stupid as humanly possible because of fear of death..

which is simply an interpretation of the events that took place.. nothing further...

I believe he wore himself out due to going all out on wolverine to no avail.... he usually doesn't have to try that hard to put a guy down...
but again that's just my interpretation...

what is fact here? he fought wolverine... wolverine held back... spiderman was tired and wolverine wasn't.... any arguments in favor of spiderman's endurance simply don't make sense.

Originally posted by brainchild81
(Wolvie still couldn't touch him. Wolvie didn't pull punches until after Spidey LET him get a hit in. Up until that point he had the claws out and was trying to connect and failing.)..

which is again.. nothing further than a presumption.
looking at the evidence that goes against it, it's rather one that AGAIN is negated by evidence...
if wolverine was trying to hit spiderman why didn't he when he had the chance to do so? he had 3 chances and took advantage of none of them....

answer: he didn't want to hurt spiderman (AGAIN)... wolverine has swung his claws at multiple opponents in dozens of different comics with no intention of harming them... it would seem illogical to say that we was trying to hit spiderman up until he had the chance and then simply changed his mind... it's like your secret wars example.. it's selective about which PARTS of an event are relivent... saying that secret wars was PIS free where spiderman and wolverine were concerned was another way of saying that the OTHER PIS involved in the situation didn't matter to the overall event... which is bias... justlike this claim...

Originally posted by brainchild81
Wolvie didn't let Spidey hit him @ all. Why do people keep saying that without any proof whatsoever?

cause he DID let spiderman hit him 😮nfused:

and we uhhh HAVE shown proof... 😕

Originally posted by brainchild81
Fighting smart expends way less energy than fighting dumb. The pis for everybody else IS irrelevant Jinzin. This is Spidey Vs. Wolvie the last time I checked. Are you trying to say that Spidey can't do that to Wolvie?

stop pulling out your buddy the strawman.. that's not what I was saying at all.. what I'm saying is that you're being extremely selective.. if there was numerous PIS in FAVOR of spiderman for the rest of that fight then why would it not apply to him when he reached wolverine? the same bias for spiderman was still put into effect so to say that the other PIS is irrelivant is wrong...

Originally posted by brainchild81
I refuse to believe that Jinzin really thinks that. He's just bulls**ting himself and us because he's in need of something to support his side of the issue and there's not much "real" stuff to go on. If Jinzin really believes that I'm gonna run upstairs and start crying 😆 Knowing that Jinzin is absolutely insane would be bad. He takes Supes punches and gets KOed by Deathstroke. Makes no sense. Waitaminute. DS went to Karate class. It makes perfect sense now 😮

again.. lacking any real argument without fallacy you rely on insults to do for you what your intelligence has failed to do.... ❌

batman got KOed by deathstroke some years ago.. he hadn't started taking supes and ww punches and darksied beat downs till recently... he didn't develop spectra till recently... me thinks there's some connection...

unless of course you're under the impression he's just wearing tights.. 🤨

LOL if this can happen with her then hmmmm it can happen for spiderman.............

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he gets jumped and nearly stabbed?

he jumped Spiderwoman and she shoved those foot long claws through his neck..................he did the jumping not her🙂 If Spiderwoman is capable of it then so is SM.

Spider-Woman didn't beat Wolverine. She suckered him and gave him some bad damage quickly, then he slapped her aside and was about to stab her before Cage stopped him.

from another forum lol spidey vs wolverine is world wide

Spidey can beat Wolverine by immobilizing him and cutting off his leverage, using the environment against him, shooting webbing down his throat until he passes out from lack of breath, cutting off the blood to his brain by pinching down on the carotid artery, webbing him up so he can't free himself except by stabbing himself, and let him keep stabbing himself to get free until he passes out, or just hit him in the non-Adamantium areas. Wolverine, of course, could take Spidey out with one good, clean stab, or tactically trick Spidey into making a mistake, and incapacitate him with a few solid nerve blows. In general, though, I think Spidey's speed, strength, and distance attack advantages give him the edge in an enormusly close battle.

You guys that said Spider-man wins every time have got to be kidding me. I'm assuming you guys didn't see how bad Wolverine made Spider-man look when Spider-man attacked him in Marvel Presents, and Wolverine batted him around, kicked him in the stomach, and flashed him his claws, showing that he could've killed him but he chose not to. Or how in Spider-man's on comic recently, they fought, and Spider-man got stuck (and no, you can't say that Spider-man was beating him up the next issue, because Wolverine had his hands behind his head, and he was letting Spider-man vent. Then Spider-man passed out from Blood loss. If that was a real fight, and Wolverine wanted to kill him, he would be mincemeat. Honestly, Spider-man did toss Wolverine throw a tombstone way back when, and it ended like Spidey had the upper-hand, but there have been times where Wolverine had the upper-hand too. There was an area when Spidey was totally undefeatable, and one where Wolverine was. There's never been a clear cut winner. It basically depends on who's writing it. Spidey's faster and more agile, but Wolverine's only one level behind in both, and he's infinitely more skilled. In close quarters Spidey doesn't have much of a chance. Out in the open, he has a bit of an advantage, but not so much to make a huge difference, cause Wolverine's far more skilled. I pick Wolverine 5.5 out of 10

Well, I certainly agree the people saying Spidey curbstomps Wolvie are taking it a bit far. It's a very close fight.

I'm assuming you guys didn't see how bad Wolverine made Spider-man look when Spider-man attacked him in Marvel Presents, and Wolverine batted him around, kicked him in the stomach, and flashed him his claws, showing that he could've killed him but he chose not to.

No evidence he could've killed Spidey. That looked to me more like Spidey dodged it. Wolverine dodged Spidey twice, backhanded him away, Spidey knocked the cigar out of Wolvie's mouth, dodged the claw, then Wolvie landed a kick, and they break up. Yoiu forget that Spidey thought it was an imposter, and at one point beleives he could have no powers ... Wolverine's speed hadn't convinced Spiodey he was even dealing with a superhuman opponent yet. Spidey thought he should "go easy". He was clearly holding back at the beginning from his statements, and it was an extremely brief skirmish, with neither doing much damage. Wolvie looked better, but it was Spidey treating him like he would a two-bit loser at first, and Wolverine's battle prowess convincing him it really is Wolverine.

Now, when Wolverine KNEW he was fighting the real Spidey, in Secret Wars, Spidey easily dodged him, and literally pimp-slapped a charging Wolverine away. Wolvie even stated, when Nightcralwer noted Spidey was getting away from The X-Men: "We're lucky that's all he was trying to do! He really clobbered us --- made us look lioke fools! Like amateurs!"

Or how in Spider-man's on comic recently, they fought, and Spider-man got stuck (and no, you can't say that Spider-man was beating him up the next issue, because Wolverine had his hands behind his head, and he was letting Spider-man vent. Then Spider-man passed out from Blood loss. If that was a real fight, and Wolverine wanted to kill him, he would be mincemeat.

There is ZERO evidence Wolverine was letting Spider-Man do anything. He tries to issue a threat at first, then back-tracks. The simplest interpretation is that Wolverine was covering his head because Spidey was too fast for him,a nd was pounding the crap out of him. Wolverine is effectively beaten before I-M pulls spidey off, and stays on his knees for 3 panels afterwards. Spidey was on the verge of a KO.

In the MKSP, there's much more than ZERO evidence that Wolverine was letting spider-man hit him. Wolverine had his hands BEHIND his Head lol. He was letting the guy vent! He even said "I know you think I deserve this petey but cut it out" or something to that effect. I mean come on, the guy has taken dead on blows from the Thing and the Hulk, but he's gonna curl up in a ball, cause Spidey's too much for him? Thatdoesn't even sound right. He was letting the guy vent because he felt bad for poking him. If he wanted to, all he would have to do is slash widly, and spidey would've at least had to back off to dodge his claws. That wasn't the serious fight. The serious fight was when they were exchanging blows back and forth, and Spidey got poked. How is that the serious fight when Wolverine clearly had his hand behind his head letting Spidey take out his frustrations? Spidey was on the verge of a KO? Come on now, Spider-man punched Wolvie out of a window from Avengers Tower, and they guy comes back like 6 panels later like "jeez, he can't take a joke". I seriously doubt it. I mean, it's up for interpretation, but that doesn't make that much sense. Spidey prolly gets in like 38 straight blows, and Wolverine's from a kneeling to an upright position in like 2 or 3 panels, and all he's doing is rubbing his neck.

Wolverine is not at a disadvantage because of Spider-man's speed and agility. Nightcrawler and Wolverine spar all the time, and Nightcrawler is just as agile as Spidey, and he's faster cause of the teleportation. Wolverine has a method for fighting speed fighters anyways, like he shows when he defeated Speed Demon. "There's a trick to fighting speedsters. All you have to do is stay in it long enough to figure out where they pop up next". Wolverine then pops him one good after he figures out his fight pattern. Speed Demon is MUCH faster than Spidey.

Spidey did incapacitate Wolverine in th MTU issue, but Wolverine wanted to see if there was an easier way to get free b4 he stabbed himself to cut the web. I'm sure that hurts even though he heals. That wasn't the first time he's broken free from something like that, and he's back up in like 3 secs.

To me, HTH skill always counts and always is the difference maker. That's the same reason why Wizard picked Batman taking out Spidey with a nerve pinch if they fought head-to-head. And Wizard picked Wolverine over Batman. They actually had Wolverine KILLING Batman. Wixard's an expert source. Batman > Spider-man. Woverine > Batman. Wolverine > Spider-man. Speed's not an issue, Wolverine's faced faster with the same agility and won.

Oh, and in MP when Spidey is containing that villain in a hold who was similar to Wolvie, he was like "sssttr--onng-g aaa-s W-wwolverine, and Just as fast!!!!!" as she breaks free from him. He was really struggling with her, and she was as strong as Wolverine. Marvel's site has Wolverine at Level 4 out of 7 strength, So I don't think Spidey's strength hurts Wolverine that much either, Specially if he can take hits from the Hulk and get up. Hulk's infinelty stronger than Spidey.
Like I said b4, there was a time when Marvel even said Spider-man was unstoppable (around the time of Secret War). No matter who he fought, he was gonna win, cause he was their most popular character. Wolverine also had one of those periods around the time when he one-upped Spidey in MP. Now, they are two of Marvel's most popoular characters, so it depends on the writer. It's close enough to go either way depending on the situation, but I just HAVE to give it to Wolvie more often than not, cause he's a way better fighter. Skills MATTER in a fight. It's what allows someone like DD to go to-to-toe with Namor. It's why Wolvie can fight toe-to-toe with the thing, the Hulk, and Badrock, even though they are much stronger. Wolverine has more fight experience than even Cap. Spidey can take Wolverine too, but Wolverine'll win more often than notl cause he's the best there is. Oh and for the record, I don't really count what happens in Reggie Hudlin books, cause it doesn't seem like he does the research, he just writes good stories. I mean, he had Black Panther decapitate Sabretooth after 3 mins of fighting, so I mean you have to take his examples with a grain of salt. Honestly, it all depends on the writers, cause in close battles like this, any writer can think of a situation where the other could possibly win. If I wrote 10 Spider-man vs Wolverine books though, I would have WOlverine win six, and Spidey win four, cause Wolverine's a more skilled fighter. Same reason I think Bats or Cap could take him. EVEN BENDIS said that Wolvie, Cap, Iron Man, and Sentry were more of the Heavy Hitters of the New Avengers book. I think Spidey's a heavy hitter too def, but I just think that the other guys are a bit tougher. I just can't see Spidey overwhelming Wolvie skill and Healing factor more often than not. Read Wolverine vs the Marvl universe (Wolverine #134). The guy takes out: Moon Knight, Warbird, Vision, Firestar, Justice, Solo, Black Widow, US Agent, the Falcon, Black Cat, the New Warriors and the human torch in one book. Nuff said

You have a couple of points, but in the Marvel Presents, Spider-man's first couple of swings WERE full power, which Wolverine EASILY dodged, and then Spidey says, "geez, maybe I should take it easy on him cause he doesn't have powers". I have the comic in front of me, and Wolverine flashed him his claws right in front of Spider-man's face, after taking Spider-man's punch right to the chin, and kicked him in the stomach. Then Wolverine was like, "I am who I say I am, if you still want me, COME TO POPPA", and then Spider-man realized he was the real thing. Spider-man only got one hit in. Wolverine definetly trumped him that time.

In the MKSP, there's much more than ZERO evidence that Wolverine was letting spider-man hit him. Wolverine had his hands BEHIND his Head lol. He was letting the guy vent! He even said "I know you think I deserve this petey but cut it out" or something to that effect. I mean come on, the guy has taken dead on blows from the Thing and the Hulk, but he's gonna curl up in a ball, cause Spidey's too much for him? That doesn't even sound right. He was letting the guy vent because he felt bad for poking him. If he wanted to, all he would have to do is slash widly, and spidey would've at least had to back off to dodge his claws. That wasn't the serious fight. The serious fight was when they were exchanging blows back and forth, and Spidey got poked. How is that the serious fight when Wolverine clearly had his hand behind his head letting Spidey take out his frustrations? Spidey was on the verge of a KO? Come on now, Spider-man punched Wolvie out of a window from Avengers Tower, and they guy comes back like 6 panels later like "jeez, he can't take a joke". I seriously doubt it. I mean, it's up for interpretation, but that doesn't make that much sense. Spidey prolly gets in like 38 straight blows, and Wolverine's from a kneeling to an upright position in like 2 or 3 panels, and all he's doing is rubbing his neck.
Wolverine is not at a disadvantage because of Spider-man's speed and agility. Nightcrawler and Wolverine spar all the time, and Nightcrawler is just as agile as Spidey, and he's faster cause of the teleportation. Wolverine has a method for fighting speed fighters anyways, like he shows when he defeated Speed Demon. "There's a trick to fighting speedsters. All you have to do is stay in it long enough to figure out where they pop up next". Wolverine then pops him one good after he figures out his fight pattern. Speed Demon is MUCH faster than Spidey.
Spidey did incapacitate Wolverine in th MTU issue, but Wolverine wanted to see if there was an easier way to get free b4 he stabbed himself to cut the web. I'm sure that hurts even though he heals. That wasn't the first time he's broken free from something like that, and he's back up in like 3 secs.
To me, HTH skill always counts and always is the difference maker. That's the same reason why Wizard picked Batman taking out Spidey with a nerve pinch if they fought head-to-head. And Wizard picked Wolverine over Batman. They actually had Wolverine KILLING Batman. Wixard's an expert source. Batman > Spider-man. Woverine > Batman. Wolverine > Spider-man. Speed's not an issue, Wolverine's faced faster with the same agility and won.
Oh, and in MP when Spidey is containing that villain in a hold who was similar to Wolvie, he was like "sssttr--onng-g aaa-s W-wwolverine, and Just as fast!!!!!" as she breaks free from him. He was really struggling with her, and she was as strong as Wolverine.

Marvel's site has Wolverine at Level 4 out of 7 strength, So I don't think Spidey's strength hurts Wolverine that much either, Specially if he can take hits from the Hulk and get up. Hulk's infinelty stronger than Spidey.
Like I said b4, there was a time when Marvel even said Spider-man was unstoppable (around the time of Secret War). No matter who he fought, he was gonna win, cause he was their most popular character. Wolverine also had one of those periods around the time when he one-upped Spidey in MP. Now, they are two of Marvel's most popoular characters, so it depends on the writer. It's close enough to go either way depending on the situation, but I just HAVE to give it to Wolvie more often than not, cause he's a way better fighter. Skills MATTER in a fight. It's what allows someone like DD to go to-to-toe with Namor. It's why Wolvie can fight toe-to-toe with the thing, the Hulk, and Badrock, even though they are much stronger. Wolverine has more fight experience than even Cap. Spidey can take Wolverine too, but Wolverine'll win more often than notl cause he's the best there is. Oh and for the record, I don't really count what happens in Reggie Hudlin books, cause it doesn't seem like he does the research, he just writes good stories. I mean, he had Black Panther decapitate Sabretooth after 3 mins of fighting, so I mean you have to take his examples with a grainof salt. Honestly, it all depends on the writers, cause in close battles like this, any writer can think of a situation where the other could possibly win. If I wrote 10 Spider-man vs Wolverine books though, I would have WOlverine win six, and Spidey win four, cause Wolverine's a more skilled fighter. Same reason I think Bats or Cap could take him. EVEN BENDIS said that Wolvie, Cap, Iron Man, and Sentry were more of the Heavy Hitters of the New Avengers book. I think Spidey's a heavy hitter too def, but I just think that the other guys are a bit tougher. I just can't see Spidey overwhelming Wolvie skill and Healing factor more often than not. Read Wolverine vs the Marvl universe (Wolverine #134). The guy takes out: Moon Knight, Warbird, Vision, Firestar, Justice, Solo, Black Widow, US Agent, the Falcon, Black Cat, the New Warriors and the human torch in one book. Nuff said

Truer words were never spoken. There's nothing left for me to say. :yay:

You have a couple of points, but in the Marvel Presents, Spider-man's first couple of swings WERE full power, which Wolverine EASILY dodged, and then Spidey says, "geez, maybe I should take it easy on him cause he doesn't have powers".

Right. He says he should cool off. That doesn't mean they were full power; it means they had enough power they could really hurt a normal guy. The fact that they were slow enough that a normal human could dodge them (afterall, why would he question whether or not his opponent was superhuman, had he seen superhuman speed? Answer: the punches were held back enough that humans could dodge them) proves he WAS holding them back.

I have the comic in front of me, and Wolverine flashed him his claws right in front of Spider-man's face, after taking Spider-man's punch right to the chin, and kicked him in the stomach.

Yes. His claws are in front of Spidey's face. My dispute is that Spidey likely moved back so that they didn't directly hit his face.

Then Wolverine was like, "I am who I say I am, if you still want me, COME TO POPPA", and then Spider-man realized he was the real thing. Spider-man only got one hit in.

Spider-Man only tried to him Wolverine 3 times. The first two, he was holding back so much that, according to HIM, a normal human could've dodged the blows. After he determined his opponent was superhuman, he landed his one attempt quite solidly.

In the MKSP, there's much more than ZERO evidence that Wolverine was letting spider-man hit him. Wolverine had his hands BEHIND his Head lol. He was letting the guy vent!He even said "I know you think I deserve this petey but cut it out" or something to that effect.

He covered his head because he was getting pounded too fast and hard to put up any type of defense. This is not the first time Spidey's beaten Wolverine onto the ground too fast for Wolverine to mount any defense. It also happened in Spider-Man vs. Wolverine. Wolverine covered his head because he was getting pounded.

As for his text, FIRST Wolverine said "Man up, Parker. It's just a scratch", and then a warning: "I'm only gonna tell you this ONE time ... It was an accident!"

Wolverine tried to threaten Spider-Man first, THEN once Spidey was really layiong into him he started backtracking. The simplest interpretation is that Wolverine's apolegetic text started while he was getrting owned BECAUSE of the fact he was getting owned. There isn't even the most remote indication of what you say. Your best argument seems to be "he covered his head". Likewise, I could point out that Spidey was shooting webs at Wolverine's OTHER arm as he was getting stabbed in the sparring session. I could just as easily claim Spidey LET Wolvie land that to help him train, not knowing he'd pop the claw in the process.
Both arguments are pure speculation, with ZERO text to back them up, so the ONLY objective approach is to take both scenes at face value: Spider-Man did not let Wolverine tag him purposely, though it was sparring, so he obviouisly wasn't going all-out with speed like he would in a real fight. Still, Wolvie's tag was legit. Likewise, Wolverine didn't let Spidey tag him purposely either. Spidey unleashed on Wolverine and, like in SMvW, Spidey was again just too fast for Wolvie to put up any defense.

I mean come on, the guy has taken dead on blows from the Thing and the Hulk, but he's gonna curl up in a ball, cause Spidey's too much for him? That doesn't even sound right. He was letting the guy vent because he felt bad for poking him. If he wanted to, all he would have to do is slash widly, and spidey would've at least had to back off to dodge his claws. That wasn't the serious fight. The serious fight was when they were exchanging blows back and forth, and Spidey got poked. How is that the serious fight when Wolverine clearly had his hand behind his head letting Spidey take out his frustrations? Spidey was on the verge of a KO? Come on now, Spider-man punched Wolvie out of a window from Avengers Tower, and they guy comes back like 6 panels later like "jeez, he can't take a joke". I seriously doubt it. I mean, it's up for interpretation, but that doesn't make that much sense. Spidey prolly gets in like 38 straight blows, and Wolverine's from a kneeling to an upright position in like 2 or 3 panels, and all he's doing is rubbing his neck.

Nothing you stated has any basis in reality. Wolverine landed his claw-shot in a non-serious sparring match. Spidey was fine after it save for his bleeding. Then, in the SERIOUS fight, Spider-Man owned Wolverine. Wolvie obviously WAS incapaciotated, being that he was sucking floor for THREE panels AFTER Spidey was off of him. As for Spidey passing out, that happened AFTER Iron Man pulled Pete off of Logan, and he escaped, then ranted and raved while he continued to bleed. If he was thinking straight, he could've just covered the wound with webbing. Or, if I-M hadn't interfered, he could've finished Wolvie off, THEN covered the wound with webbing.

As for panels, when people aren't stunned, they're usually up immediately in comics. For instance, when Wolvie hit Spidey in SMvW, Spidey instantly shrugged it off. Wolverine was on the ground, on his knees, rubbing his head for 3 panels afterwards. That shows that he was too stunned to mount anmy defense at the time.

In ASM#522, if anything, that's more pro-Spidey proof. Spidey punched Wolverine out of an "unbreakable glass" window before Wolverine could even REACT, then nonchalantly walked away, after Logan had verbally picked a fight. Spidey basicsally dismissed Wolverine. Additionally, Wolverine is NOT up in "6 panels". It was TWO PAGES LATER when Wolverine finally got back into the room.

Wolverine is not at a disadvantage because of Spider-man's speed and agility. Nightcrawler and Wolverine spar all the time, and Nightcrawler is just as agile as Spidey, and he's faster cause of the teleportation.

Nightcrawler was in utter awe of Spidey's speed in Secret Wars. Spidey was shown faster than Nightcrawler in a Chris Claremont MTU issue as well. Additionally, Nightcrawler easily handled X-23, who took Logan out at least once, and has similar powers.

Wolverine has a method for fighting speed fighters anyways, like he shows when he defeated Speed Demon. "There's a trick to fighting speedsters. All you have to do is stay in it long enough to figure out where they pop up next". Wolverine then pops him one good after he figures out his fight pattern. Speed Demon is MUCH faster than Spidey.

Speed Demon doesn't have a spider-sense. Additionally, speedsters in comics are stupid. They often run around in circles, which is why guys like Gambit hit guys like Quicksilver. Spider-Man, however, does NOT do this. Instead, he uses acrobatics and chaotic movements while running rings around his opponents. He's not nearly as predictable as a speedster, plus he's MUCH stronger. Spidey's actually DODGED some Speed Demon attacks before, and reached out, grabbed the ankle of, and tripped a running Speed Demon.As for Wolverine's slash, you leave out that it was landed during a sparring session, and Spidey was actually just spraying webs at Wolvie's other arm as it landed. No way that would've happened in a straight fight like that, as we've seen every time Wovlie's attempted it.As for Spider-Man passing out, given how he left Wolvie out of it so quickly, if Iron Man hadn't pulled Spidey off of him, chances are Spidey would've KOed Wolvie in plenty of time to tend to his wound. Spidey passed out an entire page AFTER he was still beating the crap ouit of Wolverine in the serious fight.

This issue prove:

*Wolvie can tag Spidey in a sparring session
*If Spidey doesn't tend to a wound, eventually he'll pass out from loss of blood like anyone else
*Spidey can beat the crap out of Wolverine so fast he can't mount a defense if he's serious, and is capable of quickly leaving him stunned to the point he's on his knees for 3 panels after I-M makes the save, pulling Spidey off of him

BTW, if you claim Wolvie "let" Spidey do it, I claim Spidey was letting Wolverine hit him in the sparring session, and simply didn't know he'd use the claw. There's abouyt the same ammount of evidence for each view. Really, though, this proves nothing we didn't already know. Everyone knows a good Wolverine slash can cut Spidey, and if Spidey doesn't tend to the wound, he'd eventually pass out. What it does show, though, is Spider-Man being able to leave Wolverine incapacitated in seconds if he doesn't mess around and just speed-blitzes him.

Honestly, Spider-man did toss Wolverine throw a tombstone way back when, and it ended like Spidey had the upper-hand, but there have been times where Wolverine had the upper-hand too. There was an area when Spidey was totally undefeatable, and one where Wolverine was. There's never been a clear cut winner. It basically depends on who's writing it.

OK, now this I mostly agree with. I think Spider-Man vs. Wolverine and MCP#49 arguably support Wolverine as the favorite. Secret Wars#3, MKSM#14 (the issue mentions where, after the sparring stab, Spidey pounds Wolverine hard), MTU#1, and ASM#521 arguably support Spidey as the favorite. Spider-Man's been able to incapacitate Wolverine straight-up before, though, whereas Wolverine hasn't really done it to Spidey straight-up. There's implications at times both could take the other out. Generally, though, Spidey dominates physically, but has trouble putting Wolverine down. Wolverine can try to lure Spidey into messing up and get a claw on him, and cut through most webbing.

Spidey's faster and more agile, but Wolverine's only one level behind in both, and he's infinitely more skilled. In close quarters Spidey doesn't have much of a chance. Out in the open, he has a bit of an advantage, but not so much to make a huge difference, cause Wolverine's far more skilled. I pick Wolverine 5.5 out of 10

Wolverine's more skilled HTH, but HTH skill often matters little against much greater speed. Spidey dominated Wolverine HTH in SMvW, Secret Wars, and MKSM#14. In closed quarters, I'd say it could go either way. Spudey can knock Wolverine around and dodge him as we've seen, and as shown in MKSM, physically incapacitate Wolverine if he hits around the Adamantium. Wolverine, OTOH, hcan take most of Spidey's hits, especially if they hit his Adamantium skeleton, and lure him into messing up, so he can land a good claw strike or nerve blow. I'd say it's 50/50 in HTH. I give Spidey the win 6-7/10 because he could just cut off Wolvie's leverage with webbing, like he did in MTU.

You have a couple of points, but in the Marvel Presents, Spider-man's first couple of swings WERE full power, which Wolverine EASILY dodged, and then Spidey says, "geez, maybe I should take it easy on him cause he doesn't have powers". I have the comic in front of me, and Wolverine flashed him his claws right in front of Spider-man's face, after taking Spider-man's punch right to the chin, and kicked him in the stomach. Then Wolverine was like, "I am who I say I am, if you still want me, COME TO POPPA", and then Spider-man realized he was the real thing. Spider-man only got one hit in. Wolverine definetly trumped him that time.

Originally posted by soleran30
he jumped Spiderwoman and she shoved those foot long claws through his neck..................he did the jumping not her🙂 If Spiderwoman is capable of it then so is SM.

does sm have her energy projection? her powers bordering telepathy (close but no)? her ferimones? her training?

was she about to get gutted regardless of stabbing wolverine?

lol these are from your piece twister so make sure you look at these again does this look like SW jumped Wolverine................hmmm looks to be the opposite to me🙂

2. http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/1706/26vm.jpg
3. http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/6425/34ss.jpg

and my point is like I said pages ago SM can get in some wins however most of the time now take away Wolverine's claws with SM's webs then that would be fun.

LOL jinzin look at Wolverine after she stabbed him he couldn't do anything at first she let him go! So Wolverine could have gut her AFTER she LET him go.

Originally posted by soleran30
lol these are from your piece twister so make sure you look at these again does this look like SW jumped Wolverine................hmmm looks to be the opposite to me🙂

2. http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/1706/26vm.jpg
3. http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/6425/34ss.jpg

and my point is like I said pages ago SM can get in some wins however most of the time now take away Wolverine's claws with SM's webs then that would be fun.

LOL jinzin look at Wolverine after she stabbed him he couldn't do anything at first she let him go! So Wolverine could have gut her AFTER she LET him go.

hmm there were scoobs. Hmmm did you read the posts I just qouted. Wolvie got back and was goiing to slice her until cage stopped the match.(she caught wolvie with a off gaurd move because he didn't know it was spiderwoman but just a regular dude so he would not know she had power.
hmm

also snce when spiderman have boobs(in that pic he does)

also why didn't he just put his claws back in...

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/3100/49ix.jpg

see where she says umm............yeah thas when Wolverine stepped up after she knew she messed up. She is so strong dude she could EASILY have grabbed that other arm of his and planted it in his throat as well. She knew she made a mistake and stopped.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
hmm there were scoobs. Hmmm did you read the posts I just qouted. Wolvie got back and was goiing to slice her until cage stopped the match.(she caught wolvie with a off gaurd move because he didn't know it was spiderwoman but just a regular dude so he would not know she had power.
hmm

also snce when spiderman have boobs(in that pic he does)

also why didn't he just put his claws back in...

Originally posted by soleran30
lol these are from your piece twister so make sure you look at these again does this look like SW jumped Wolverine................hmmm looks to be the opposite to me🙂

2. http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/1706/26vm.jpg
3. http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/6425/34ss.jpg

and my point is like I said pages ago SM can get in some wins however most of the time now take away Wolverine's claws with SM's webs then that would be fun.

LOL jinzin look at Wolverine after she stabbed him he couldn't do anything at first she let him go! So Wolverine could have gut her AFTER she LET him go.

looks like she rather has her fist clenched and ready for a fight...

Originally posted by jinzin
looks like she rather has her fist clenched and ready for a fight...

Actually that's until she saw who it was.

does sm have her energy projection? her powers bordering telepathy (close but no)? her ferimones? her training?

was she about to get gutted regardless of stabbing wolverine?

First - No, but it stuns. From how everyone overexaggerates how godlike his healing factor apparently is that'd be nothing. Right?

Second - Yes. It's called the Spider-sense.

Third - Do the pheromones even work on him? From that shot it looked like he wasn't exactly fawning over her after getting stabbed in the neck.

Fourth - Not her exact training, but thanks to Cap he does indeed have similar training under his belt.