"Wolverine takes Class 100 shots like nothing."

where in the comic does it make any reference to wolverine needing winter soldier INSTEAD of daredevil? where does it imply that he goes to daredevil specifically because bucky said no? where does it imply that getting matt to go along with him wasn't part of his plan to begin with?

seems to me that was just a conclusion you came to while trying to appease the "logan doesn't need matt for lie detection" idea, and really has no basis in anything besides your own speculation.

Originally posted by Disappear
where in the comic does it make any reference to wolverine needing winter soldier INSTEAD of daredevil?where does it imply that he goes to daredevil specifically because bucky said no? where does it imply that getting matt to go along with him wasn't part of his plan to begin with?

seems to me that was just a conclusion you came to while trying to appease the "logan doesn't need matt for lie detection" idea, and really has no basis in anything besides your own speculation.

I dont even know why your arguing. Wolverine didnt specifically need DD or WS he just wanted SOMEBODY to come along with him....thats why he was asking people.

Wolverine gave DD some BS story that he wanted him to come along for lie to detection from what I can remember. We find out later on he just wanted somebody to come along with him to stop him from killing Crossbones. DD said this to him and Wolverine did not reply. Wolverine is an out spoken person when he disagrees he tends to speak up.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont even know why your arguing. Wolverine didnt specifically need DD or WS he just wanted SOMEBODY to come along with him....thats why he was asking people.

Wolverine gave DD some BS story that he wanted him to come along for lie to detection from what I can remember. We find out later on he just wanted somebody to come along with him to stop him from killing Crossbones. DD said this to him and Wolverine did not reply. Wolverine is an out spoken person when he disagrees he tends to speak up.

there's also the fact that daredevil points out to wolverine that crossbones isn't lying, or at least doesn't know what wolverine's asking for. as i recall, wolverine doesn't reply there, either. he also tends to speak up when he already knows things, so there's that.

fact is, whether or not you agree that logan needed daredevil there, and for whatever reasons, loeb had logan ask for matt's help, and matt offered it. there's still nothing that shows that logan DIDN'T need matt there for lie detection, regardless of whether he wanted him there to keep him in line. he just as easily could have had both motivations, and loeb made the former an actual plot point.

and, again, there's also nothing besides your interpretation that says he didn't need them specifically.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Actually in hindsight I am getting my terminology wrong. I am mistaking shockawaves for kinetic energy, I thought they were they same thing and they are not.

All the examples I gave can be used as analogies because everyhting that moves or vibrates causes pressure waves. An engine, a machine, a heart, a sketetal muscle. A shockwave is a very powerful pressure wave, therefore if an object is extremely powerful it should be able to make a shockwave.

You stated in your previous post that if a muscle was applied very gently to a surface then it will not cause vibrations. All you did is give me an example of a situation in which it would not work at the end of the day if the muscle is contracted with speed it will work.

The Hulks muscles if applied to surfaces are capable of causing vibrations that cause earthquakes and destruction, since they are this powerful I think if they were contracted in the air very rapidly they would cause shockwaves.

If the Hulk contracted a muscle at the speed of sound and the dimensional change of the muscle thus displaced enough air rapidly enough to generate a sonic boom then yes he'd generate shockwaves.

He cannot stand, contract his muscles, sustain the contraction and shoot of shockwaves via magical muscle power. It's not a logical extrapolation.

Originally posted by Disappear
there's also the fact that daredevil points out to wolverine that crossbones isn't lying, or at least doesn't know what wolverine's asking for. as i recall, wolverine doesn't reply there, either. he also tends to speak up when he already knows things, so there's that.

fact is, whether or not you agree that logan needed daredevil there, and for whatever reasons, loeb had logan ask for matt's help, and matt offered it. there's still nothing that shows that logan DIDN'T need matt there for lie detection, regardless of whether he wanted him there to keep him in line. he just as easily could have had both motivations, and loeb made the former an actual plot point.

and, again, there's also nothing besides your interpretation that says he didn't need them specifically.

So we know logan could have done the job DD was brought to do.

also why did you bring this up? It was pritty random.

Originally posted by Disappear
there's also the fact that daredevil points out to wolverine that crossbones isn't lying, or at least doesn't know what wolverine's asking for. as i recall, wolverine doesn't reply there, either. he also tends to speak up when he already knows things, so there's that.

So in other word he didnt reply because either he agreed or didnt know BUT you are saying if he disagreed he would have probably said something?

So DD then says to him afterwards you didnt bring me along for lie detection but to stop me from killing and you dont intepret his lack of response as him agreeing with DD. 😕

If wolverine hadnt brought DD aling to stop him from killing DD you dont think he would have said something. 🤨

Originally posted by Disappear

fact is, whether or not you agree that logan needed daredevil there, and for whatever reasons, loeb had logan ask for matt's help, and matt offered it. there's still nothing that shows that logan DIDN'T need matt there for lie detection, regardless of whether he wanted him there to keep him in line. he just as easily could have had both motivations, and loeb made the former an actual plot point.

and, again, there's also nothing besides your interpretation that says he didn't need them specifically.

Oh right so when DD says that you didnt bring me along for lie detection but to stop you from killing Crossbones, that doesnt indicate anything?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The heart does not just emanate vibrations, skeletal muscle certainly does not just emanate vibrations. The heart moves, it's dimensions change, it's contiguous to other surfaces via pleura and it's movement moves those structures. Skeletal muscle's dimensions change during a contraction, a sustained contraction of a skeletal muscle does not emanate "power."

If you look at my last post I made it clear that vibrating objects and moving objects produce pressure waves I even indicated using the word kinetic energy was the wrong terminology. Vibrating and moving objects produce pressure waves thats what im talking about and thats all we need to know I did not use the word "power", I was specific.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

If the Hulk contracted a muscle at the speed of sound and the dimensional change of the muscle thus displaced enough air rapidly enough to generate a sonic boom then yes he'd generate shockwaves.

Well we have a problem here. I think a thunderclap is a shockwave the Hulk does not move his hands at the speed of sound to create one. Therefore according to comic physics you dont neccesarily have to move at the speed of sound to create a shockwave you just need power.

At any rate why cant the Hulk contract his msucles at the speed of sound? The Hulks has been able to hit people who can dodge bullets after they have been fired, he can catch missles and has hit Quicksilver. Real world MAs have had punches and kicks measured around 200mph. Power is not the only factor in speed but it helps alot. If the Hulk can catch and swat tank shells and has muscles that enable him to lift 100,000s of tons or million of tons I think he can contract his muscles at the speed of sound.

Furthermore with his strength and weight when he jumps or runs his power should be able to make him move faster than the speed of sound and project him out of orbit.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

He cannot stand, contract his muscles, sustain the contraction and shoot of shockwaves via magical muscle power. It's not a logical extrapolation.

See above.

Anything that moves in a fluid distorts the fluid. So? You need to create a disturbance in the fluid faster than the speed of sound to generate a shockwave phenomenon.

Shockwaves entail supersonic flow of fluids. He does not need to move at supersonic speed necessarily, he does need to create a supersonic flow of air. He does so by the rapid displacement due to compression and expansion of it when he claps.

Hulk hits people who don't have superspeed but miraculously dodge bullets so that they don't die, ergo Hulk has supersonic muscle contraction? So then Ravager who has hit Batgirl, who has dodged bullets at point blank, has supersonic muscular contraction and ergo supersonic speed?
I'd love to see the source for the statistic on fastest punches and kicks, 200 mph is twice the speed of the fastest baseball pitches, and the same speed as a 747-400 take-off iirc.
Hulk is strong therefore he has supersonic speed? When he's never consistently shown superspeed? Are all other cl100s now Mach 1ers?

It's really, really not a logical extrapolation.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Anything that moves in a fluid distorts the fluid. So? You need to create a disturbance in the fluid faster than the speed of sound to generate a shockwave phenomenon.

Shockwaves entail supersonic flow of fluids. He does not need to move at supersonic speed necessarily, he does need to create a supersonic flow of air. He does so by the rapid displacement due to compression and expansion of it when he claps.

Well ok if its not the Hulks muscles moving at supersonic speed what is causing the shockwave? His class 100 strength?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Hulk hits people who don't have superspeed but miraculously dodge bullets so that they don't die, ergo Hulk has supersonic muscle contraction? So then Ravager who has hit Batgirl, who has dodged bullets at point blank, has supersonic muscular contraction and ergo supersonic speed?

Well do you think if somebody for example where able to dodge bullets after they were fired or was able to catch tank shells....do you think if they were able to do that do you think they could contract their muscles at supersonic speed?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Hulk is strong therefore he has supersonic speed?

Well if you weigh 1500 lbs and your muslces enable you to lift millions of tons how fast do you think you would travel if you jumped?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

When he's never consistently shown superspeed?

Well he caught tank shells on more than one occassion.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Are all other cl100s now Mach 1ers?

Well the power of their muscles should be able to propel them at speeds that exceed the speed of sound.

You have to bear in mind that I know that class 100ers dont move at mach1 speeds. This is for all those people who keep making comments like "that doesnt make any sense". For example people like you say Cap should not be able hurt Namor because Namor has survived nukes, therefore it does not make any sense. My point in bringing this up is to point out that the whole MU doesnt make sense and their are loads of inconsistencies with lots or all of the characters.

The Hulk cant create shockwaves by flexing his muscles and cant jump at mach 1 speeds but he should be able to if you want to be logical.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

I'd love to see the source for the statistic on fastest punches and kicks, 200 mph is twice the speed of the fastest baseball pitches, and the same speed as a 747-400 take-off iirc.

Meh cant find anything official.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well ok if its not the Hulks muscles moving at supersonic speed what is causing the shockwave? His class 100 strength?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well do you think if somebody for example where able to dodge bullets after they were fired or was able to catch tank shells....do you think if they were able to do that do you think they could contract their muscles at supersonic speed?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well if you weigh 1500 lbs and your muslces enable you to lift millions of tons how fast do you think you would travel if you jumped?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well the power of their muscles should be able to propel them at speeds that exceed the speed of sound.

Originally posted by Alfheim
You have to bear in mind that I know that class 100ers dont move at mach1 speeds. This is for all those people who keep making comments like "that doesnt make any sense". For example people like you say Cap should not be able hurt Namor because Namor has survived nukes, therefore it does not make any sense. My point in bringing this up is to point out that the whole MU doesnt make sense and their are loads of inconsistencies with lots or all of the characters.

Originally posted by Alfheim
The Hulk cant create shockwaves by flexing his muscles and cant jump at mach 1 speeds but he should be able to if you want to be logical.

Anyway I'm bored of this and it's derailing the thread, so I'm going to say it's agree to disagree time. I'm going to check out the RP thread and see if it's worth me finally joining one of the "groups."

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The kinetic energy he's exerting through his range of movement is causing the displacement of sufficient air at sufficient velocity to generate a measurable shockwave.

You see the bit where I asked you wether his class 100 strength is what caused the shockwave? Ok i'll answer it , yes.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Batgirl can dodge bullets fired at her at point blank. Do you think she can move at supersonic speed? If the Flash was only moving at Mach 1 would he not be able to hit her?

Again you didnt answer the question, instead you ask me a question.
Heres the question again.

Well do you think if somebody for example where able to dodge bullets after they were fired or was able to catch tank shells....do you think if they were able to do that do you think they could contract their muscles at supersonic speed?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

They involve different muscle groups and different actions. Both are determined by how much kinetic energy he can exert in a contraction, the former is determined by force exerted - how he can sustain a contraction, the latter is determined by impulse - how fast one can contract. I can't be bothered doing any calculations and haven't done any physics in a long time so they'd be off

Well a space shuttle that weighs approx 2200 tons and its rockets produce approx 30 000 tons of force can travel at speeds and can reach speeds of 3094 miles per hour. The Hulk weighs about 1500 lbs and can produce millions of tons of force I think he can probably travel faster than the speed of sound.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

anyway.You're mixing terms again and referring once more to some undefined muscle power.There are far better ways to point out inconsistencies. The saying goes "talk about what you know." Frankly, and don't get me wrong, it doesn't appear that either physics or biology falls under that.

You couldnt help the snide remark, you just cant help being rude.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

The latter is a better extrapolation than the former but it's still not that great an extrapolation. I have no idea what you're basing the former on but it's not logical nor scientific extrapolation.

Well it would help if you answered some of the questions.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Anyway I'm bored of this and it's derailing the thread, so I'm going to say it's agree to disagree time. I'm going to check out the RP thread and see if it's worth me finally joining one of the "groups."

Yeah thats up to you but its bad debating etiquette because:

1. There are two questions you didnt answer. Intsead if answering the question you aksed me a question and hence avoided answering the question. Furthermore you have a habit of when I ask you a question instead of answering it you repeat what I say in even more detail.

2. Weve been having this debate for several days, now all of a sudden youve had enough.

3. It is connected to the thread indirectly.

4. Please just answer the questions you did not address a yes or no answer would be really nice. Pretty please with sugar on top. 😐

Question 1. Not in such a carte blanche way that would imply he can sustain a muscular contraction, emanate magical muscle power into the air and shoot shockwaves. The range of movement, the kinetic impact of his appendages, serve to displace sufficient air at sufficient speed to generate a propagating shockwave.

Question 2. No, I'd see it as writers taking liberties or bad aim or anticipatory movement having occurred. A character who doesn't have superspeed, dodging a bullet that travels at Mach 4, aimed correctly, from close range and without any time to anticipate it's trajectory is just bad writing/writing to prevent character death and for wow factor. It doesn't mean that they have multiple Mach speed muscular contraction.

Point 1. I wasn't being rude, I was stating fact. It doesn't appear you know much at all about biology, nor physics. If you take a observational statement as an insult, I really don't care.

Point 2. The only reason this has been going on for multiple days is because of "what you think is physics," and I was bored enough to humor you. Now that in itself has become boring.

Point 3. Wolverine takes cl100 shots somehow became "Hulk should be able to shoot shockwaves from his pecs?" Let's do some more "logical extrapolation" eh? Batgirl dodges bullets, therefore she moves at multiple Mach speeds, therefore she can flap her arms and generate sonic booms.

most bullets fired from handguns fly at around 400 miles per hour. if the bullet was fired from ten meters away, it would take about one-eighteenth of a second to move to the target. now, assuming the widest portion of the body is the shoulders, and the bullet is aimed at a spot which requires the body to move the furthest to avoid it [we'll estimate half a meter,] the target would only need to move at a speed of approximately one to two miles per hour [assuming the bullet and target both begin moving at the same time] in order to avoid it. that's mach .0015. that is very slow. of course, that takes liberties with the scenario, assuming the target is aware of the bullet's trajectory, can anticipate when it'll be shot, and only a single round is being fired. but that is not particularly difficult, especially in comic book instances where characters like spider-man and daredevil CAN anticipate those characteristics, and CAN move with exceptional speed and agility. they don't need to be moving at mach speeds for a bullet to miss them.

muscular contractions occur differently for different tasks. lifting heavy amounts of weight requires strengthened slow-twitch muscle fibers, while moving at high rates of speed requires strengthened fast-twitch fibers. while there is some overlap, as fast-twitch fibers are capable of moving and supporting weight, and slow-twitch fibers are capable of contracting more quickly than a standard "rep" would bely, one cannot overcompensate for the other. so, while hulk might be able to lift massive amounts of weight, that doesn't necessarily imply he has the fast-twitch fibers in his musculature [properly trained and coordinated] to accomplish super-speed running.

contracting your muscles, i.e. flexing, does create an amount of volumetric displacement. that's why muscles look bigger and visibly shift. but for a contraction to create a shockwave similar to the burst of kinetic energy released when clapping, not only would the size change have to be monumental [which it is not, even in the case of the hulk,] but it would need to displace the surrounding air at several hundred times the possible speed of contraction. watch your bicep next time you flex it. it take maybe a tenth of a second to tighten, and considerably more time and effort to tighten it to its toughest, hardest contraction. even if the hulk's bicep shifted almost an entire cubic meter of air [which is wildly impossible,] it would still need to be contracting at hundreds of miles per hour [exponentially faster than slow-twitch muscle fibers can contract] to cause any noticeable burst of wind or energy at any distance away from hulk's own body. the reason his thunderclap is different is because of, as x has said many times, the amount of kinetic energy in each hand as they collide. reasonably, hulk could create great amounts of tension in his muscles, tightening his shoulders, pecs and arms against an amount of tension in his back muscles. when relaxing his back muscles, all of the tension that built up in his upper body could be released, causing an impact in his hands that disperses the kinetic energy. the effect doesn't come directly from the muscular contraction, it comes from the collision. there isn't, again as x has said, some magical, muscle energy which can replicate a collision in a contraction.

EDIT: ****ed up a conversion. they'd have to move at approximately 20 miles per hour, which is really not that much in terms of reactive jerks of the body.

knew something seemed off...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Question 1. Not in such a carte blanche way that would imply he can sustain a muscular contraction, emanate magical muscle power into the air and shoot shockwaves. The range of movement, the kinetic impact of his appendages, serve to displace sufficient air at sufficient speed to generate a propagating shockwave.

Well its as simple as this. The Hulks muscles when they come into contact with the ground are capable of making earthquakes. You know it, I know it. In other words they create powerful pressure waves.

So when he applies his muscles to the air NOTHING is going to happen? Stop telling me about magic im talking about pressure waves.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Question 2. No, I'd see it as writers taking liberties or bad aim or anticipatory movement having occurred. A character who doesn't have superspeed, dodging a bullet that travels at Mach 4, aimed correctly, from close range and without any time to anticipate it's trajectory is just bad writing/writing to prevent character death and for wow factor. It doesn't mean that they have multiple Mach speed muscular contraction.

This is the thing I dont care wether you think its bad writing or not. I didnt ask you that. In some cases it can be explained as anticipation sometimes it cant, especially considering the fact that Cap said he can see bullets after somebody asked him how he dodges them. So assuming they cant anticipate it:

Well do you think if somebody for example where able to dodge bullets after they were fired or was able to catch tank shells....do you think if they were able to do that do you think they could contract their muscles at supersonic speed?

I would like a response to the Hulk example please. Its hilghy unlikey that the Hulk anticpated a tank shell, Hulk saw the shell and caught it after it was fired.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Point 3. Wolverine takes cl100 shots somehow became "Hulk should be able to shoot shockwaves from his pecs?" Let's do some more "logical extrapolation" eh? Batgirl dodges bullets, therefore she moves at multiple Mach speeds, therefore she can flap her arms and generate sonic booms.

Yes but I didnt ask you wether you thought is was bad writing or not I asked you if somebody can dodge bullets after they have been fired
The Hulk can catch tank shells and therefore can move at supersonic speed.

I dont see how the Hulks legs msucles cant propel him at supersonic speed and I dont care if you cant be bothered to work it out. If you dont i'll get somebody who will.

A space shuttle weighs 2200 tons can produce 30000 tons of force and reach 3094 MPH. The Hulk weighs 1500lbs can produce millions of tons of force and contract his muscles very quickly...and its illogical to think he can reach supersonic speed 🤨

Originally posted by Disappear
most bullets fired from handguns fly at around 400 miles per hour.

They vary 38 caliber lowest is 470 the highest is 668. 45 calibers reach up to 722. Im pretty sure there are some impressive dodging feats that dont involve handguns.

Originally posted by Disappear

if the bullet was fired from ten meters away,

Well I wasnt refering to ten meters away. I was talking about point blank or very close. For example in a Shang Chi example the shooter was very close, he had fired the gun and the bullets were already travelling towards him, then he moved away

Originally posted by Disappear

it would take about one-eighteenth of a second to move to the target. now, assuming the widest portion of the body is the shoulders, and the bullet is aimed at a spot which requires the body to move the furthest to avoid it [we'll estimate half a meter,] the target would only need to move at a speed of approximately one to two miles per hour [assuming the bullet and target both begin moving at the same time] in order to avoid it. that's mach .0015. that is very slow. of course, that takes liberties with the scenario, assuming the target is aware of the bullet's trajectory, can anticipate when it'll be shot, and only a single round is being fired. but that is not particularly difficult, especially in comic book instances where characters like spider-man and daredevil CAN anticipate those characteristics, and CAN move with exceptional speed and agility. they don't need to be moving at mach speeds for a bullet to miss them.

Well all you are doing is giving me an example of where they would not have to travel at supersonic speed, does that refute my argument? Heres the problem there are other circumstances.

Sometimes there is no way in which they can anticipate them like in the Shang example and in particular im talking about the Hulk catching tank shells. Tank shells travel alot faster than handgun bullets.

Originally posted by Disappear

muscular contractions occur differently for different tasks. lifting heavy amounts of weight requires strengthened slow-twitch muscle fibers, while moving at high rates of speed requires strengthened fast-twitch fibers. while there is some overlap, as fast-twitch fibers are capable of moving and supporting weight, and slow-twitch fibers are capable of contracting more quickly than a standard "rep" would bely, one cannot overcompensate for the other. so, while hulk might be able to lift massive amounts of weight, that doesn't necessarily imply he has the fast-twitch fibers in his musculature [properly trained and coordinated] to accomplish super-speed running.

Well if he can catch tank missles how fast do you think he can twitch. If the Hulk tried to run the power in his muscles could send hil off into orbit, in particular im refering to him being able to reach supersonic speed by jumping. Since you've joined this debate i'll ask you this question:

A space shuttle weighs approx 2200 tons and can produce 30000 tons of force with rockets and can reach 3094 MPH. Hulk weighs 1500lbs and can produce millions tons of force and can contract his muscles very quickly dont you think he could reach supersonic speeds if he jumped?

Originally posted by Disappear

contracting your muscles, i.e. flexing, does create an amount of volumetric displacement. that's why muscles look bigger and visibly shift. but for a contraction to create a shockwave similar to the burst of kinetic energy released when clapping, not only would the size change have to be monumental [which it is not, even in the case of the hulk,] but it would need to displace the surrounding air at several hundred times the possible speed of contraction. watch your bicep next time you flex it. it take maybe a tenth of a second to tighten, and considerably more time and effort to tighten it to its toughest, hardest contraction. even if the hulk's bicep shifted almost an entire cubic meter of air [which is wildly impossible,] it would still need to be contracting at hundreds of miles per hour [exponentially faster than slow-twitch muscle fibers can contract] to cause any noticeable burst of wind or energy at any distance away from hulk's own body. the reason his thunderclap is different is because of, as x has said many times, the amount of kinetic energy in each hand as they collide. reasonably, hulk could create great amounts of tension in his muscles, tightening his shoulders, pecs and arms against an amount of tension in his back muscles. when relaxing his back muscles, all of the tension that built up in his upper body could be released, causing an impact in his hands that disperses the kinetic energy. the effect doesn't come directly from the muscular contraction, it comes from the collision. there isn't, again as x has said, some magical, muscle energy which can replicate a collision in a contraction.

Im not talking about "magic", im talking about pressure waves. If the Hulk applied his muscles to the ground they can create pressure waves that cause earthquakes. He applies his muscles to the air and nothing happens? The fact of the matter is his muscles create powerful pressure waves if he can create earthquakes in the ground when he applies it to the air the pressure waves should be felt.

Originally posted by Disappear
EDIT: ****ed up a conversion. they'd have to move at approximately 20 miles per hour, which is really not that much in terms of reactive jerks of the body.

knew something seemed off...

Well yeah if your gonna give an example of ten meters yeah. What about AFTER the gun has been fired and they are very close. What about catching a tank shell?

If he applies his muscle to the ground, i.e. rests a bicep on the ground and flexes it, NOTHING is going to happen. The slow and minor volume displacement is not going to cause earthquakes. Just like the slow and minor volume displacement is going to do nothing to the air.

Hitting the ground and flexing a muscle in air causing minor displacement at low speed are not analogous as already explained by Disappear, and myself in earlier posts.

Again you're referring to the [undefined] "power in his muscles." Disappear isn't talking about Hulk twitching, he's referring to different types of skeletal muscle. Here: http://intl.elsevierhealth.com/catalogue/title.cfm?ISBN=0443066760 Only £159.00, a bargain.

You're basing your extrapolations on bad physics, junk biology, singular or rare occurrences and flawed analogies, and maintaining them rigidly despite having explanations given. Simple vector geometry would tell you that you don't need to move at the same speed as an object to dodge it perpendicularly.

But based on such incorrect assumption, let's do some "logical extrapolation." Batgirl can dodge bullets at point blank, therefore she moves at supersonic speeds, therefore she can propel herself into the troposphere by jumping leaving a trail of sonic booms.

I was bored of this two posts ago, and I'm still bored of it. For some reason you seem adamant in trying not to agree to disagree, so I can leave you to your fanciful "logic."

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If he applies his muscle to the ground, i.e. rests a bicep on the ground and flexes it, NOTHING is going to happen. The slow and minor volume displacement is not going to cause earthquakes. Just like the slow and minor volume displacement is going to do nothing to the air.

You are refering to resting his muscles. Here.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

If he just contracted his pectoral muscles, sustained the contraction and rested them gently against a wall, nothing would occur. Same with the ground.

Again all you are doing is giving me an example where it would not apply. You know if the Hulk contracted his muscles quickly it could destroy a wall or cause an earthquake. So what you do is give me an example of where it would not apply. Is this point too difficult for you to understand?

I give you an example of where it applies giving me an example where it does not apply does not refute my point.

I gave you an example where if I flex my chest muscles I can cause a door to fly back. What you went and did is tell me if I rest it gently on the door nothing will happen. Obvoulsy im NOT refering to resting his muscles gently on the ground.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Hitting the ground and flexing a muscle in air causing minor displacement at low speed are not analogous as already explained by Disappear, and myself in earlier posts.

Am I talking about low speed? No.
If something is powerful enough to cause earthquakes in the ground should it not be able to create powerful pressure waves in the air? Im not talking about contracting his muscles gently.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

But based on such incorrect assumption, let's do some "logical extrapolation." Batgirl can dodge bullets at point blank, therefore she moves at supersonic speeds, therefore she can propel herself into the troposphere by jumping leaving a trail of sonic booms.

Just answer the bloody question, yes or no. Dont give me examples where they dont apply, dont tell me wether it bad or good writing. Just answer the question.

1. If somebody can dodge bullets AFTER they have been fired at close range do you think they can move at supersonic speed.

2. If somebody can catch a tank shell do you think they can move at supersonic speed?

3. Is it illogical to think that the Hulk can jump at supersonic speed if he weighs 1500lbs can produce millions of tons of force and can contarct his muscles quickly?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

I was bored of this two posts ago, and I'm still bored of it. For some reason you seem adamant in trying not to agree to disagree, so I can leave you to your fanciful "logic."

That your own fault. If you didnt:

a) Repeat what im saying in more complicated terms.
b) Instead of answering the question you ask me another question

The discussion would have ended ages ago.

When I flex my muscles, crowds of people fall over eachother.
I think the theory works.

😄

Originally posted by Juntai
When I flex my muscles, crowds of people fall over eachother.
I think the theory works.

😄

Can you lift millions of tons? Can you create earthquakes? Ok since you want to join in heres some other questions.

1. If somebody can dodge bullets AFTER they have been fired at close range do you think they can move at supersonic speed.

2. If somebody can catch a tank shell do you think they can move at supersonic speed?

3. Is it illogical to think that the Hulk can jump at supersonic speed if he weighs 1500lbs can produce millions of tons of force and can contarct his muscles quickly?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Can you create earthquakes