"Wolverine takes Class 100 shots like nothing."

Originally posted by Alfheim
You are refering to resting his muscles. Here.

Again all you are doing is giving me an example where it would not apply. You know if the Hulk contracted his muscles quickly it could destroy a wall or cause an earthquake. [B]So what you do is give me an example of where it would not apply. Is this point too difficult for you to understand? [/B]

Originally posted by Alfheim
[B]I give you an example of where it applies giving me an example where it does not apply does not refute my point.

I gave you an example where if I flex my chest muscles I can cause a door to fly back. What you went and did is tell me if I rest it gently on the door nothing will happen. Obvoulsy im NOT refering to resting his muscles gently on the ground.[/B]

You said your moving of a door implied Hulk could emanate vibrations in a sustained contraction. I explained there is no emanation of vibrations it's just volumetric displacement, resulting in impact on the door sufficient to overcome frictional forces.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Am I talking about low speed? No. If something is powerful enough to cause earthquakes in the ground should it not be able to create powerful pressure waves in the air. Im not talking about contracting his luscles gently.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Just answer the bloody question, yes or no. Dont give me examples where they dont apply, dont tell me wether it bad or good writing. Just answer the question.

1. If somebody can dodge bullets AFTER they have been fired at close range do you think they can move at supersonic speed.

2. If somebody can catch a tank shell do you think they can move at supersonic speed?

3. Is it illogical to think that the Hulk can jump at supersonic speed if he weighs 1500lbs can produce millions of tons of force and can contarct his muscles quickly?

3, I hardly commented on. I've been commenting on your bizarre assertion that Hulk can shoot shockwaves from his chest. All I'd say is there's a physical difference between impulse and force, and a biological difference between types of skeletal muscle.

Originally posted by Alfheim
That your own fault. If you didnt:

a) Repeat what im saying in more complicated terms.
b) Instead of answering the question you ask me another question

The discussion would have ended ages ago.

Long story short, the speed of sound in air is 340 m/s. Unless you have something concrete to indicate that the volume change in muscular contraction occurs as speed greater than this and displaces sufficient air to generate a measurable shockwave, then your extrapolation is baseless, you're time-burglarising me, and I'm bored.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Someone's getting uppity; anything beyond moi, is very much beyond tu. I'm not referring to resting his muscle against something once contracted, here. I'm referring to contracting a muscle while in contact with the ground. .

Yeah so am I. So where the hell did this statement come from?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

If he just contracted his pectoral muscles, sustained the contraction and rested them gently against a wall, nothing would occur. Same with the ground..

I never implied that.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

All it would amount to would be volumetric displacement of air. If he were to somehow direct all volumetric displacement towards the ground it still wouldn't cause an earthquake.

If he moves his muscles slowly maybe, but im not talking about that. Im talking about him rapidly contracting them. The Hulk is able to stamp on the ground and cause earthquakes but all of a sudden when he applies these muscles to the ground rapidly they cant, how does that work out? If I can make a door move with my chest muscles how does the Hulk not cause an earthquake or smash down a wall and the hulk is millions of tons stronger than me?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

You give an example where it doesn't apply, then extrapolate it even further to where it doesn't apply. I explain why it doesn't apply, nor the extrapolation. You repeat the same extrapolations, sometimes slightly modified, often not. Lather, rinse and repeat.

Well for starters I neved said anything about him contracting and sustaining and then applying them to the surface. I gave an example where somebody applied his muscles to a surface and then flexed them rapidly. Your strawmanning.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

You said your moving of a door implied Hulk could emanate vibrations in a sustained contraction.

No I didnt. Sustain means to hold. Since the example I gave was of a person contracting muscles rapidly why would I imply the Hulk sustaining it? I can cuse a door to move back with my chest muscles the Hulk trys it then all of a sudden nothing happens?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

I explained there is no emanation of vibrations it's just volumetric displacement, resulting in impact on the door sufficient to overcome frictional forces.

Um its a scientfic fact that anything that moves causes vibrations. So how does that work out?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

All muscular contraction is slow, be it fast twitch or slow twitch fibres, relative to things like the speed of sound.

Yes it is.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

And again flawed analogies, hitting the ground and causing displacement of air through muscular volume change during contraction.

If you make the assumption that he cant create earthquakes when you know he can and then give examples of where it would not apply then, yes.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Reread Disappear's post, he's given ample explanation of why a contraction in itself isn't going to generate shockwaves.1 and 2, no. Vector geometry. Learn some. A scenario where one would have to move at the same speed as the bullet to avoid the bullet trajectory would mean that the bullet was fired at the same distance one has to move to avoid it perpendicularly. Same thing with the tank shell except it would entail moving into the shell trajectory.

Ok I'll settle for a no on point 1.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

In such a scenario, still no, because it's just bad writing lest the character show regular SUPERSPEED, be it Hulk, Batgirl, or Doop..

So in other words that a yes then? What your saying is that it would entail him moving at supersonic speed but you just think its bad writing. Yes or No?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

3, I hardly commented on.

I dont care. I want you to comment on it.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

I've been commenting on your bizarre assertion that Hulk can shoot shockwaves from his chest. All I'd say is there's a physical difference between impulse and force, and a biological difference between types of skeletal muscle.How is it my own fault when I was happy to agree to disagree and let you while away your time with your fanciful extrapolation, but you insisted I was being "rude," and then when I answered your incessant questions you just repeat them over and over and over and over.

Again thats your fault, if you gave a straight answer we could have finished ages ago. Furthermore you are stating that I made points that I clearly didnt.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Long story short, the speed of sound in air is 340 m/s. Unless you have something concrete to indicate that the volume change in muscular contraction occurs as speed greater than this and displaces sufficient air to generate a measurable shockwave, then your extrapolation is baseless, you're time-burglarising me, and I'm bored.

Well I'll make a deal. Im finished with point one. As for points 2 you later stated that somebody would need superspeed catch a tank shell. I need clarification on this, do you mean he would need supersonic speed? Yes or No.

I want you to comment on point 3. Even if you cant calculate it I want a yes or no answer.

The Hulk weighs 1500lbs can produce millions of tons of force with his legs and can flex his mucles quickly. Do you think its illogical that when he jups he can move faster than the speed of sound? Yes or No.

Last point. Please explain to me how the **** the Hulk cant knock down a wall with his chest muscles and create earthquakes when I can push a door just by flexing my chest muscles? Please explain how if the Hulk does EXACTLY what I did with the door how the wall would not collapse or it would not cause an earthquake.

I am refering to him resting his muscles againt the surface and contracting them rapidly.

I not sure who on what side of the arguement any more.

alf are you for or against..........you guys have made some of the longest responses lol

Yeah Wolverine can take class 100 shots, but I dont think he can take them like nothing. At any rate I think even I have had enough. Im going to find out about that trajectory thingy and work out how you can calculate propulsion speed.

I hope you give a good response x cause even im calling it a day now.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah so am I. So where the hell did this statement come from?
I never implied that.
Well for starters I neved said anything about him contracting and sustaining and then applying them to the surface. I gave an example where somebody applied his muscles to a surface and then flexed them rapidly. Your strawmanning.
No I didnt. Sustain means to hold. Since the example I gave was of a person contracting muscles rapidly why would I imply the Hulk sustaining it? I can cuse a door to move back with my chest muscles the Hulk trys it then all of a sudden nothing happens?
Again thats your fault, if you gave a straight answer we could have finished ages ago. Furthermore you are stating that I made points that I clearly didnt.
Um its a scientfic fact that anything that moves causes vibrations. So how does that work out?

Originally posted by Alfheim
If he moves his muscles slowly maybe, but im not talking about that. Im talking about him rapidly contracting them. The Hulk is able to stamp on the ground and cause earthquakes but all of a sudden when he applies these muscles to the ground rapidly they cant, how does that work out? If I can make a door move with my chest muscles how does the Hulk not cause an earthquake or smash down a wall and the hulk is millions of tons stronger than me?

Last point. Please explain to me how the **** the Hulk cant knock down a wall with his chest muscles and create earthquakes when I can push a door just by flexing my chest muscles? Please explain how if the Hulk does EXACTLY what I did with the door how the wall would not collapse or it would not cause an earthquake.

I am refering to him resting his muscles againt the surface and contracting them rapidly.

Conversely, you're comparing the aforementioned former with force generation of a single muscle group contracting and somehow unidirectionally changing it's volume towards a solid without any other displacement effect. Still unlike things, with the latter being physically improbable.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes it is.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok I'll settle for a no on point 1.
So in other words that a yes then? What your saying is that it would entail him moving at supersonic speed but you just think its bad writing. Yes or No?

Well I'll make a deal. Im finished with point one. As for points 2 you later stated that somebody would need superspeed catch a tank shell. I need clarification on this, do you mean he would need supersonic speed? Yes or No.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont care. I want you to comment on it.

I want you to comment on point 3. Even if you cant calculate it I want a yes or no answer.

The Hulk weighs 1500lbs can produce millions of tons of force with his legs and can flex his mucles quickly. Do you think its illogical that when he jups he can move faster than the speed of sound? Yes or No.

Done? OK.

in military terms, 10 meters is still considered point blank. if you mean point blank in the action movie, jason statham, keanu reaves in a leather jacket, mother****in' snakes on this mother****in' plane sense, then i'll assume you mean closer to five feet. still, at point blank range in those flashy, hollywood scenarios so often mimicked in comic books, the gunsman usually aims for the head. it's pretty much a sure shot at that distance. so, assuming the normal human head is no more than eight inches wide [which gives allowances for some spectacularly wide heads,] they'd need to move laterally four inches [plus another few millimeters to avoid the bullet completely] in the time it took the bullet to move five feet. that's approximately 1/15th of the distance the bullet needs to move. you can pick your bullet speeds and figure it out from there. but, i guess it should be pointed out, that in most "point blank" confrontations, people aren't using high-powered assault rifles [whose bullets can actually exceed the speed of sound.]

in the shang-chi incident [i have to comic somewhere, but all of my comics have been stuffed in boxes since i moved to new york, and i don't have the time to really go digging through to find it] i believe the way he dodges involves him jerking his head sideways, backwards, down and rolling it away from the bullet. at the same time. that involves a whole slew of different vectors than dodging perpendicularly would, so i'll chock that up to him being extremely lucky he didn't get his head blown off. i don't remember shang doing feats like that regularly, so i'm fine with assuming it was just [i don't want to say bad writing] exaggeration.

if you want to know why stomping your foot and flexing your leg on the ground are different, and won't give hulk nearly the same result, try it yourself. you can cause a loud bang and some shaking [depending on what you're standing on] when you stomp, but you won't get anything from a simple flex. the reason a stomp from the hulk CAN create shockwaves or earthquakes is because of the large amount of kinetic energy he's forcing into the ground. by slamming his leg down, an exercise reserved mostly for the fast-twitch muscles, and having ALL of his leg's muscles tensed to absorb the impact, he forces the majority of the kinetic energy into the ground. if he was just flexing quickly, and not bracing himself, his leg would bounce. and if his leg's already on the ground and he flexes, there isn't any buildup of kinetic energy for him to force-feed into the ground. maybe if he did that fake shivering trick, where you tense opposing muscle groups alternately at a rapid pace, he could be sending off some of the vibrations that occur in him into a solid medium he's attached to. but he'd have to quake real ****in' hard for that to amount to anything like an earthquake or shockwave.

and didn't the hulk jump into orbit once, or at least into the upper levels of the atmosphere? he'd need to be moving at several times the speed of sound to achieve that. that doesn't translate into any sort of running ability, however, given the nature of the musculature and the necessary coordination to move continuously at those speeds.

Debating with you is too stressful so im going to list out some points and dont respond to my posts from now on.

1. In another thread I brought up this point with inamalist about the Hulk flexing his muscles so he could create powerful pressure waves and he agreed with me. Im not sure if you know he has but hes really into his science. I noticed as well eventhough I got the terminology wrong he didnt debate with me about the jargon because he knew what I was talking about. Its simply the fact that im saying it automatically means its crap.

2. As for people having to move at supersonic speed to dodge bullets it seems that I was wrong about that. It seems to catch a tank shell you may need supersonic speed but it seemed you were changing your argument and trying to twist stuff around for that particular case concering the tank shell, cant be bothered and I dont want to go around the houses.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm not going to comment on it without doing the relevant calculation. That would be precipitant. And, no, I'm not going to do the calculations.

Your not going to comment on it because you damn well know the logical answer is:

Originally posted by Disappear

and didn't the hulk jump into orbit once, or at least into the upper levels of the atmosphere? he'd need to be moving at several times the speed of sound to achieve that.

As far as im concerned thats 2 out of 3. Im not a scientist but im not as bad as you make out.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Done? OK.

Yes do not respond to my post anymore.

Originally posted by Disappear
in military terms, 10 meters is still considered point blank. if you mean point blank in the action movie, jason statham, keanu reaves in a leather jacket, mother****in' snakes on this mother****in' plane sense, then i'll assume you mean closer to five feet. still, at point blank range in those flashy, hollywood scenarios so often mimicked in comic books, the gunsman usually aims for the head. it's pretty much a sure shot at that distance. so, assuming the normal human head is no more than eight inches wide [which gives allowances for some spectacularly wide heads,] they'd need to move laterally four inches [plus another few millimeters to avoid the bullet completely] in the time it took the bullet to move five feet. that's approximately 1/15th of the distance the bullet needs to move. you can pick your bullet speeds and figure it out from there. but, i guess it should be pointed out, that in most "point blank" confrontations, people aren't using high-powered assault rifles [whose bullets can actually exceed the speed of sound.]

in the shang-chi incident [i have to comic somewhere, but all of my comics have been stuffed in boxes since i moved to new york, and i don't have the time to really go digging through to find it] i believe the way he dodges involves him jerking his head sideways, backwards, down and rolling it away from the bullet. at the same time. that involves a whole slew of different vectors than dodging perpendicularly would, so i'll chock that up to him being extremely lucky he didn't get his head blown off. i don't remember shang doing feats like that regularly, so i'm fine with assuming it was just [i don't want to say bad writing] exaggeration.

if you want to know why stomping your foot and flexing your leg on the ground are different, and won't give hulk nearly the same result, try it yourself. you can cause a loud bang and some shaking [depending on what you're standing on] when you stomp, but you won't get anything from a simple flex. the reason a stomp from the hulk CAN create shockwaves or earthquakes is because of the large amount of kinetic energy he's forcing into the ground. by slamming his leg down, an exercise reserved mostly for the fast-twitch muscles, and having ALL of his leg's muscles tensed to absorb the impact, he forces the majority of the kinetic energy into the ground. if he was just flexing quickly, and not bracing himself, his leg would bounce. and if his leg's already on the ground and he flexes, there isn't any buildup of kinetic energy for him to force-feed into the ground. maybe if he did that fake shivering trick, where you tense opposing muscle groups alternately at a rapid pace, he could be sending off some of the vibrations that occur in him into a solid medium he's attached to. but he'd have to quake real ****in' hard for that to amount to anything like an earthquake or shockwave.

and didn't the hulk jump into orbit once, or at least into the upper levels of the atmosphere? he'd need to be moving at several times the speed of sound to achieve that. that doesn't translate into any sort of running ability, however, given the nature of the musculature and the necessary coordination to move continuously at those speeds.

I might respond to this post later but right now im not feeling so hot.

Actually In order to acheive escape velocity its not the speed of sound you'd need to be worried about its escape velocity. The speed of sound is 769mph escape velocity is 25,053.6865 mph 25053.6865 mph that's about 33 times the speed of sound.

And no Hulk can't just flex to let off shockwaves. otther wise he'd be destroying everything around him all the time. Does he do that? No.

Originally posted by Disappear
in military terms, 10 meters is still considered point blank.

Yeah and you really thought that I meant 10 meters when I said point blank? 😐

Originally posted by Disappear

if you mean point blank in the action movie, jason statham, keanu reaves in a leather jacket, mother****in' snakes on this mother****in' plane sense, then i'll assume you mean closer to five feet.

Yup something like that.

Originally posted by Disappear

still, at point blank range in those flashy, hollywood scenarios so often mimicked in comic books, the gunsman usually aims for the head. it's pretty much a sure shot at that distance. so, assuming the normal human head is no more than eight inches wide [which gives allowances for some spectacularly wide heads,] they'd need to move laterally four inches [plus another few millimeters to avoid the bullet completely] in the time it took the bullet to move five feet. that's approximately 1/15th of the distance the bullet needs to move. you can pick your bullet speeds and figure it out from there. but, i guess it should be pointed out, that in most "point blank" confrontations, people aren't using high-powered assault rifles [whose bullets can actually exceed the speed of sound.]

Im pretty sure there are some examples where that has happened, but at any rate I cant remember, so nevermind.

Originally posted by Disappear

in the shang-chi incident [i have to comic somewhere, but all of my comics have been stuffed in boxes since i moved to new york, and i don't have the time to really go digging through to find it] i believe the way he dodges involves him jerking his head sideways, backwards, down and rolling it away from the bullet. at the same time. that involves a whole slew of different vectors than dodging perpendicularly would, so i'll chock that up to him being extremely lucky he didn't get his head blown off. i don't remember shang doing feats like that regularly, so i'm fine with assuming it was just [i don't want to say bad writing] exaggeration.

Well he seems to do it quite often. Also im not being bad but I dont care wether you think its bad writing.

http://img5.imageshack.us/my.php?image=masterofkungfu03076le.jpg

Shang clearly did not move his head until after the bullets were heading towards him, that had to be pretty fast.

Originally posted by Disappear

if you want to know why stomping your foot and flexing your leg on the ground are different, and won't give hulk nearly the same result, try it yourself.

Of course its not the samething. 🤨

Originally posted by Disappear

you can cause a loud bang and some shaking [depending on what you're standing on] when you stomp, but you won't get anything from a simple flex.

Naw really?

Originally posted by Disappear

the reason a stomp from the hulk CAN create shockwaves or earthquakes is because of the large amount of kinetic energy he's forcing into the ground. by slamming his leg down, an exercise reserved mostly for the fast-twitch muscles, and having ALL of his leg's muscles tensed to absorb the impact, he forces the majority of the kinetic energy into the ground. if he was just flexing quickly, and not bracing himself, his leg would bounce. and if his leg's already on the ground and he flexes, there isn't any buildup of kinetic energy for him to force-feed into the ground. maybe if he did that fake shivering trick, where you tense opposing muscle groups alternately at a rapid pace, he could be sending off some of the vibrations that occur in him into a solid medium he's attached to. but he'd have to quake real ****in' hard for that to amount to anything like an earthquake or shockwave.

Look.....I dont know about the example you gave, but if I put my muscles to a door and flex them rapidly, I can make a door move back, dont tell me if the Hulk does the samething nothings going to happen. 🤨

Hell if the Hulk did that to a wall it would smash, if he did that to the ground there would be an earthquake. If he does that to the air he will create strong pressure waves.

Originally posted by Disappear

and didn't the hulk jump into orbit once, or at least into the upper levels of the atmosphere? he'd need to be moving at several times the speed of sound to achieve that. that doesn't translate into any sort of running ability, however, given the nature of the musculature and the necessary coordination to move continuously at those speeds.

Well there you go. I also stated afterwards if the Hulk tried to run it would result in him going if into orbit.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Actually In order to acheive escape velocity its not the speed of sound you'd need to be worried about its escape velocity. The speed of sound is 769mph escape velocity is 25,053.6865 mph 25053.6865 mph that's about 33 times the speed of sound.

At any rate one of my main points was that the Hulk should be able to achieve supersonic speed from jumping. Anyway I dont see why he couldnt do that when he has strength feats that go into millions of tons and he only weighs about 1500 lbs.

Originally posted by Creshosk

And no Hulk can't just flex to let off shockwaves. otther wise he'd be destroying everything around him all the time. Does he do that? No.

Er Bro I know he cant your missing the point. My point is if it were like the real world he would be able to do that.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Er Bro I know he cant your missing the point. My point is if it were like the real world he would be able to do that.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, if it were the real world he would have died from the gamma radiation exposure event. All his cells probably would have been destroyed.

I meant the real world physics concerning what he is capable of doing wth his powers, not his gamma radiation exposure. I know he would have died....geeezz, but im not talking about that im specifically talking about after the event.

moving a door by flexing and creating "pressure waves" are entirely different things. a door, by nature, is a solid object which can only move in two directions. assuming you're standing up against it and applying some force, it can really only move in one direction.

air is a mixture of gases which can and do move at random. ever smoked a cigarette? no matter how hard you blow outward, the smoke doesn't travel very far before billowing up and spreading itself thin. that's probably the best example of how kinetic energy moves through gases i can come up with. because atoms and molecules in gaseous form are so spaced out [compared to a solid or a liquid,] it's next to impossible for anything moving on kinetics alone to travel uni-directionally. soliid objects, like rocks or balls or paper airplanes have the easiest time, because their density and rigidity allows them to virtually push aside any gases in their way. liquids are next best, but usually wind up spreading out and becoming amorphous based on the minor amounts of wind and wind resistance they meet. and gases, i've already explained.

this "shockwave" or "pressure wave" you're attempting to define is just a displaced volume of air moving [presumably, based on the shape of the muscle that's flexing] in one general direction. given the hulk's size, he might be able to cause a breeze relatively close to himself by flexing. but it would dissipate very rapidly, due mostly to the fact that a "flex" releases a fractional amount of kinetic energy when compared to an impact.

flexing AGAINST something is the same as pushing it. directly applying a force to make it move. so try that. just go push something. me, i'm pushing back the top of my laptop. afterward, use the same motion, but stop before actually contacting the object. you can move several times faster, tense your muscles harder, concentrate. you're not going to get nearly the same result. that's just how our physics limit the transfer of kinetic energy. that's why hulk's not releasing "pressure waves," and wouldn't even if he existed in the real world.

Originally posted by Disappear
moving a door by flexing and creating "pressure waves" are entirely different things. a door, by nature, is a solid object which can only move in two directions. assuming you're standing up against it and applying some force, it can really only move in one direction.

Yes, but according to you if the Hulk did the samething to a wall or the ground nothing would happen it would just bounce off. 🤨

Originally posted by Disappear

air is a mixture of gases which can and do move at random. ever smoked a cigarette? no matter how hard you blow outward, the smoke doesn't travel very far before billowing up and spreading itself thin. that's probably the best example of how kinetic energy moves through gases i can come up with. because atoms and molecules in gaseous form are so spaced out [compared to a solid or a liquid,] it's next to impossible for anything moving on kinetics alone to travel uni-directionally. soliid objects, like rocks or balls or paper airplanes have the easiest time, because their density and rigidity allows them to virtually push aside any gases in their way. liquids are next best, but usually wind up spreading out and becoming amorphous based on the minor amounts of wind and wind resistance they meet. and gases, i've already explained.

I know you have doesnt mean I agree with you.

Originally posted by Disappear

this "shockwave" or "pressure wave" you're attempting to define is just a displaced volume of air moving [presumably, based on the shape of the muscle that's flexing] in one general direction. given the hulk's size, he might be able to cause a breeze relatively close to himself by flexing. but it would dissipate very rapidly, due mostly to the fact that a "flex" releases a fractional amount of kinetic energy when compared to an impact.

Yes I know I dont think im attempting anything.

Originally posted by Disappear

flexing AGAINST something is the same as pushing it. directly applying a force to make it move. so try that. just go push something. me, i'm pushing back the top of my laptop. afterward, use the same motion, but stop before actually contacting the object. you can move several times faster, tense your muscles harder, concentrate. you're not going to get nearly the same result. that's just how our physics limit the transfer of kinetic energy. that's why hulk's not releasing "pressure waves," and wouldn't even if he existed in the real world.

Well heres the problem. Pressure waves move through solid objects as well, when they travel through the earth I think they are called P waves and at the end of the day when know that the hulk can cause earthquakes. It doesnt make any sense the Hulks msucles create powerful pressure waves why the hell would nothing happen when he flexes his msucles. It doesnt neccesarily have to be a shockwave but at least a powerful pressure wave.

Oh yeah...ahem

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Originally posted by Alfheim
I meant the real world physics concerning what he is capable of doing wth his powers, not his gamma radiation exposure. I know he would have died....geeezz, but im not talking about that im specifically talking about after the event.

For all you know the Hulk's tissues absorb all that extra energy the make. Hey we're using the comic book anatomy right? Or are we going to pick and choose further?

i've got that issue. that's what i was talking about a few posts ago.

the thing is, hulk's muscles aren't "creating" these waves. impact with solid objects are creating them. that's the same reason the thing can cause groundswells when he slams the ground, too. that doesn't change the fact that a contraction only displaces a marginal amount of air without releasing any bulk of kinetic energy. that's simply how muscles function, and how physics regulates things of this nature.

if you wanted to go into full-on, real world application, hulk wouldn't even be contracting his muscles at any speed much greater than the human norm. muscular contraction is the effect of electrical signals from the brain, moving through the neurons, and affecting the targeted muscle. the speed of these contractions is based on delay time between neurons, the speed at which neurotransmitters move between neurons, etc. so, again, there's no basis for this "mach-speed contraction" idea. the electrical signals are moving through the body incredibly quickly, but the body itself cannot react by moving at the same speed.

also, the idea that if the hulk ran, he's fly off into orbit is ridiculous. first, because i've already explained to you the difference between fast- and slow-twitch muscle fibers, and second because it's based on the assumption that by running, hulk's exercising all of his strength as a form of locomotion. that's not how the body works. this is very basic biology.

you seem resigned to the fact that you're unquestionably right with a theory you've come up with, despite the fact that people have repeatedly explained how it's impossible through actual physical and biological terms. like x before me, i'm really tired of just beating a dead horse with this nonsense. so, please, by all means, believe what you will. if i hear someone else start spouting off this gibberish, i'll just point them to this thread and let them see for themselves.

My statement about a tank shell was the same as my statement about the bullet, and about any projectile. The velocity at which one would need to move to either intercept or evade a projectile only needs to be equivalent to the velocity of the projectile in the instance that the path of the projectile is the same as the path of intended movement.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Your not going to comment on it because you damn well know the logical answer is:

This:

Originally posted by Alfheim
I know you have doesnt mean I agree with you.

Originally posted by Disappear
you seem resigned to the fact that you're unquestionably right with a theory you've come up with, despite the fact that people have repeatedly explained how it's impossible through actual physical and biological terms. like x before me, i'm really tired of just beating a dead horse with this nonsense. so, please, by all means, believe what you will. if i hear someone else start spouting off this gibberish, i'll just point them to this thread and let them see for themselves.

*Peeps in*

This is doing nicely. Is everyone on shifts or something now?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

This:
is what pages and pages essentially boil down to. You've been given physical and biological explanations. But:

So what. Stop being a facist I and others disagree.

Originally posted by Alfheim

The Hulk should not have to touch anybody to hurt them if he can lift 100, 000's tons he should be able to kill people by flexing his muscles. The flexing of the muscles would be so strong that they would send vibrations through the air.

Originally posted by inimalist

best answer is that it is consistent with all of his other showings.

Not only that I confirmed it with him in pm that he agreed, but im not going to post what he said because its a private conversation. Remember this is the same guy who was blasting me because I didnt know genetics in another thread.

As I stated before Disappear actually agreed with one of my points.

Originally posted by Disappear

you seem resigned to the fact that you're unquestionably right with a theory you've come up with, despite the fact that people have repeatedly explained how it's impossible through actual physical and biological terms. like x before me, i'm really tired of just beating a dead horse with this nonsense. so, please, by all means, believe what you will. if i hear someone else start spouting off this gibberish, i'll just point them to this thread and let them see for themselves.

Yeah thats why im not the only person who agrees with what I said. So no I dont think its my god given right. If you want to disagree fine. No need to be facist. Idontagreethereforeimchattingrubbish.

Originally posted by Disappear

also, the idea that if the hulk ran, he's fly off into orbit is ridiculous. first, because i've already explained to you the difference between fast- and slow-twitch muscle fibers, and second because it's based on the assumption that by running, hulk's exercising all of his strength as a form of locomotion. that's not how the body works. this is very basic biology.

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say, but im done with this debate now.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So we're going to pick and choose what physcs we apply?

For all you know the Hulk's tissues absorb all that extra energy the make. Hey we're using the comic book anatomy right? Or are we going to pick and choose further?

Couldn't agree more.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So we're going to pick and choose what physcs we apply?

For all you know the Hulk's tissues absorb all that extra energy the make. Hey we're using the comic book anatomy right? Or are we going to pick and choose further?

Look you dont understand. I AGREE WITH YOU THAT BANNER WOULD BE KILLED BY RADIATION. I am just talking about another hypothetical situation. Know the expression for the sake of argument?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Couldn't agree more.

See above.