"Wolverine takes Class 100 shots like nothing."

Hulk took a whisper from BB twice without getting shredded to pieces(He got knocked unconscious during one of the instances but his body didn't get ripped to pieces on both of those occasions), which shows that his body is capable of acting like a shock wave absorber proving Creshosks point.(BB's voice varies from a sound wave to an electron ripping phenomena depending on the writer but in both of these particular instances his voice was portrayed as a mechanical wave)

Making that whole hypothetical situation where the Hulk should kill people via the flexing of his muscles moot.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Hulk took a whisper from BB twice without getting shredded to pieces(He got knocked out on one occasion but his body didn't get ripped to pieces on both), which shows that his body is capable of acting like a shockwave absorber which proves Creshosks point.(BB's voice varies from a sound wave to an electron ripping phenomena depending on the writer but in both of these particular instances his voice was portrayed as a mechanical wave)

Making that whole hypothetical situation where the Hulk should kill people via the flexing of his muscles moot.

Er I only think that happens because he has superhuman durability not because his body has special properties like vibranuim.

If that were the case Hulk wouldnt be able to create a thunderclap because his muscles would absorb the energy.

If his body were made out of vibranuim you could make that argument.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Er I only think that happens because he has superhuman durability not because his body has special properties like vibranuim.

If that were the case Hulk wouldnt be able to create a thunderclap because his muscles would absorb the energy.

His durability is attributed to the composition of his body. If the compostion of his body wasn't special then his muscles would tear through his skin. Meaning that the unique properties of his tissue are in fact responsible for his durability and ability to act as a shockwave absorber.

Not true, because you're never excerting the full capacity of your muscles when you're carrying out everyday biological movements. eg Walking, lifting a glass.
And you're forgetting that his muscles are covered by a thick layer of skin that keeps increasing when he gets angrier.(Because he gets bigger as he gets angrier)...so the brunt of the flex would be absorbed by the thick layer of skin.

A thunderclap is different. Because it doesn't occur in an enclosed system. When you clap your hands together you're also dispersing the air particles in your enviroment which creates the mechanical wave you're looking for. The flexing of his muscles occurs in a enclosed system.

This is probably the reason why the Hulk never feels any major recoil/backlash from his own punches because his body absorbs the brunt of the vibrations.

And while we're on the topic of rubber science lets bring Sebastian Shaw into this. His power allows him to absorb kinetic energy to increase his physical attributes. So shouldn't that mean that he should be constantly absorbing the kinetic energy from the air particles that bombard off him in the atmosphere and from the vibrating particles on his clothes? As far as I know he doesn't. That's why rubber science sucks.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
And while we're on the topic of rubber science

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

lets bring Sebastian Shaw into this. His power allows him to absorb kinetic energy to increase his physical attributes. So shouldn't that mean that he should be constantly absorbing the kinetic energy from the air particles that bombard off him in the atmosphere and from the vibrating particles on his clothes? As far as I know he doesn't. That's why rubber science sucks.

Er no because some kinetic energy is too low for him to pick up, the same way he could probably be overloaded by kinetic energy as well.

Anyway I dont know what your arguing about. I dont actually care wether the hulk can create shockwaves by flexing his muscles. The reason why I borught this up is because people say things like Wolverine taking shots and Cap hurting people vastly stronger than himself does not make any sense. My point is alot of things dont make sense that people dont realise, so as far as im concerned comic book physics are different but people treat it like it should match real world physics.

Originally posted by Alfheim
[B]We are?

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Er no because some kinetic energy is too low for him to pick up, the same way he could probably be overloaded by kinetic energy as well.

Anyway I dont know what your arguing about. I dont actually care wether the hulk can create shockwaves by flexing his muscles. The reason why I borught this up is because people say things like Wolverine taking shots and Cap hurting people vastly stronger than himself does not make any sense. My point is alot of things dont make sense that people dont realise, so as far as im concerned comic book physics are different but people treat it like it should match real world physics.

But he's constantly being bombarded by many particles at the same time. His clothes are constantly touching him so every vibrating atom on his clothes would be supplying kinetic energy at a similtaneous and continuous rate. Add that all up and the amount of energy being subjected upon him would be greater then that of a normal human punch. That's why rubber science sucks...the same reason why Hulks pants are indestructable.

So this entire thing is a rouse to make us all "aware" of how Capt is supposedly able to hang with Class 100 characters?
I think I'll leave it there...as there is a lot of conflicting evidence. (Sentry, Juggs one-shotting Wolvey and Wolvey being knocked out by much less/ having problems with much less vs Wolvey hanging with the Hulk and Namor).

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

But he's constantly being bombarded by many particles at the same time. His clothes are constantly touching him so every vibrating atom on his clothes would be supplying kinetic energy at a similtaneous and continuous rate. Add that all up and the amount of energy being subjected upon him would be greater then that of a normal human punch.

It doesnt matter, he obvoulsy doesnt absorb small amounts of kinetic energy. Simple.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

So this entire thing is a rouse to make us all "aware" of how Capt is supposedly able to hang with Class 100 characters?
I think I'll leave it there...as there is a lot of conflicting evidence. (Sentry, Juggs one-shotting Wolvey and Wolvey being knocked out by much less/ having problems with much less vs Wolvey hanging with the Hulk and Namor).

No its in response to this post.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It depends on who hits them. Spiderman won't hit that hard, but Hulk would. And I hope you don't mean as in force because trained fighters can hit with a ton or so force and don't send anyone flying.

Bad writing is bad writing in my opinion.

In other words its not bad writing its comic book physics.

Originally posted by Alfheim
In other words its not bad writing its comic book physics.

Isn't that what Exodus meant when he said "rubber science"?

Originally posted by Hercules
Isn't that what Exodus meant when he said "rubber science"?

In hindsight, yes.

Originally posted by Alfheim
[B]It doesnt matter, he obvoulsy doesnt absorb small amounts of kinetic energy. Simple.

And you see what you just did there? Even though it should be well within his powerset due to the description of his powers you came up with a way where it couldn't even though it's never been stated in a comic that he can't absorb small amounts of KE. Another example being when he walks...how come he doesn't amp himself up with each step? He can punch a wall and it increases his physical attributes but when he applies a force to the ground shouldn't he also increase his physical attributes? That's the point I'm trying to make about that Hulk example you gave. You can't expect a writer to take everyone single aspect of science into account...comics just don't work that way.

No its in response to this post.

In other words its not bad writing its comic book physics.

Nope, like I stated before you have conflicting evidence so it can be taken as bad writing.
Again a bunch of high showings show that Wolvey can take hits from a Hydrated Namor and Hulk. Low showings show Sabertooth overpower him and Juggs and Sentry one-shot him. And I've seen Wolvey have trouble with a lot less.
His more consistent power level is the one he displays during low end showings so IMO he shouldn't be able to take hits from Class 100 people as shown when he fought Sentry. Him being a mutant and having an uber healing factor(Limb regeneration) is what makes him lasting longer against Class 100's a lot more believable then Capt doing it... I'm sure Capts high vs low showings take a similar trend to that of Wolverines which would mean the power level Capt shows during is low showings are more consistent. So in essence what we're taking into the account is Capts more consistent showings.

Example say character A has been taken out by a rock, a stick, a car, endures being hit by an aeroplane and then goes back to being taken out by a rock. Then I'd have to ignore the aeroplane thing and say his durability lies near the rock/stick category.

Another example: Deathstroke tagging The Flash could occur 10 times in 10 different comics and it could still be regarded as bad writing because that's only like 0.1% of his showings...while the other 99.9% shows him displaying a much lower level of speed.

shaw's powers have an off switch. just like bishop's. despite it having been established earlier in their careers that they're constantly absorbing energy, there've been instances since then that prove there are time when they are not.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Another example: Deathstroke tagging The Flash could occur 10 times in 10 different comics and it could still be regarded as bad writing because that's only like 0.1% of his showings...while the other 99.9% shows him displaying a much lower level of speed.

that seems like an assumption more than a deduction. a corollary in marvel would be joystick, who operated at consistently slower levels than she really possessed. when she finally showed her "real" speed, moving fast enough to beat speed demon and cripple him in a top-speed fight, she revealed that she'd had that level of speed all along.

instances like that may seem inconsistent, but there are some that can be explained. getting knocked out, though. not so much.

also, saying "go ahead, believe what you want," despite me knowing and proving that you're wrong, is the OPPOSITE of fascism. nice try, though.

Originally posted by Disappear
[Bthat seems like an assumption more than a deduction. a corollary in marvel would be joystick, who operated at consistently slower levels than she really possessed. when she finally showed her "real" speed, moving fast enough to beat speed demon and cripple him in a top-speed fight, she revealed that she'd had that level of speed all along.

Of course, but my examples were meant to be taken in the no plot device sense. The character just has an unexplained spontaneous increase in that particular physical attribute for that storyline and goes back to their normal levels after the issue. In that Deathstroke example, he may have hypothetically tagged the Flash 10 times in 10 different comics but he still exhibits his normal speed level when he goes up against other streetlevelers.

i dont know too much about DC nonsense, so i'll take that as fact. my point was simply to establish an example of where a situation like the one you brought up could be interpreted differently.

Originally posted by Disappear
i dont know too much about DC nonsense, so i'll take that as fact. my point was simply to establish an example of where a situation like the one you brought up could be interpreted differently.

Holding back would be considered a plot device or CIS 😬 And your example had a logical and official explanation as to why Joystick was slower in her previous appearances.
I'm talking about instances where characters exhibit an increase in power level with no explanation given. For example Character A who has human durability is suddenly able to stay conscious after being slapped by an angry Hulk. But in the previous and following arcs they were knocked unconscious by a rock.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Not only that I confirmed it with him in pm that he agreed, but im not going to post what he said because its a private conversation. Remember this is the same guy who was blasting me because I didnt know genetics in another thread.

I am sure everyone will understand why I have chosen to post this short PM I wrote to Alf.

Originally posted by inimalist
here is my take

If you try to apply real world physics to the Hulk, then yes, given some of the things he has done and all that, sure, flexing his muscles could ripple the air violently.

However, my opinion about comic debates are different than normal debates. Since there is no proper way to apply "real world" science to a comic book character, it really isn't proper to try and use real science to prove comic world arguments. I'd say your best bet on those type of things will come from direct evidence from the books.