Silver surfer vs Justice leaugue

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Anyone who can't react as fast as the Surfer can will fall before the first second.

To whoever said Cosmic Awareness cannot detect weakness in beings like Superman, then read this definition of Cosmic Awareness:

[B]Cosmic awareness is a power shared by most cosmic entities in Marvel. Shared as in each having their own. The being can attune their senses to learn what is happening around them, if they just let it soak in, or they can concentrate on specific focal points. Cosmic awareness gives all detail to the being, from the slightest movement of an atom to the activities happening in the neighboring parallel reality. A being can accomplish many things with cosmic awareness, such as imbuing a portion of it onto others, which may drive them insane, as well as manipulate the universe around them. They can also block the cosmic awareness of weaker users near them, and active users of cosmic awareness can easily track one another if they are within range of one another, like a beacon. In combat, wielders can use this power to discern each-and-every possible move of an opponent, in addition to weakness they possess. Mortal users of cosmic awareness must be wary, as it can drive them insane if they use it too much, overloading them to the brink of insanity. A mortal form of this power is Environmental Awareness, which isn't as all-encompassing and is limited to the surrounding area around a being within the current reality.

Surfer is a pro using CA. He's been doing it for years. Not an amateur like Genis.

Here's a scan of SS using Cosmic Awareness and straight up telling Gladiator not to fu@k with him:

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Originally posted by Adam Warlock
If anyone brings up that Flash time travels and stuff, Surfer can do it just as well. Here's a scan:

I think Flash could potentially become faster than SS, but he'd be dead long before that could ever happen.

Before Flash can endow speed to his teammates, more than half of them will be dead.

Surfer and Flash can weave themselves in and out of time. Surfer has better control that imo. Flash will fall, then the rest will follow. If Surfer was truly bloodlusted and was willing to do anything to win, even this JLA team won't be a match for him.

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Surfer is a pro using CA. He's been doing it for years. Not an amateur like Genis.

Here's a scan of SS using Cosmic Awareness and straight up telling Gladiator not to fu@k with him:

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SS knowing gladiator's weakness (SS could have been lying) doesn't mean he used CA to find out. This is no proof

Originally posted by h1a8

SS knowing gladiator's weakness (SS could have been lying) doesn't mean he used CA to find out. This is no proof [/QUOTE]
Hmmm not really lies

he has detected radiation across the universe.

He also has all trypes of visions.......... Once he was tracking frail traits of radiation ( which high tech couldn't) across galaxies......

SS can and has effected beings and control over molecules in the past.... he can also destroy it at will.

detecting ration weakness and such is no biggie.

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Surfer is a pro using CA. He's been doing it for years. Not an amateur like Genis.

Here's a scan of SS using Cosmic Awareness and straight up telling Gladiator not to fu@k with him:

Before Flash can endow speed to his teammates, more than half of them will be dead.

Surfer and Flash can weave themselves in and out of time. Surfer has better control that imo. Flash will fall, then the rest will follow. If Surfer was truly bloodlusted and was willing to do anything to win, even this JLA team won't be a match for him. [/B][/QUOTE] which book is that from ? surfer and gladiator facing eachother ? and who wins ?

Originally posted by leonidas
it's been too long kg . . .

but no, ss isn't 'stealing' anyones speed. he's never done anything of the sort. but it's also about flash GRANTING speed to make everyone as fast as him. i'm also pretty sure t-vo can't really be resisted in the way you mean. you and i both know ss's combat speed feats are almost non-existent. could he win against the team put against him on the first page? he could get some -- still not sure how many, depends on how everyone is written -- but they would certainly take him down many times as well.

Never said SS wins tho.... I said using all his power (like in this forum) he might win few.

Regular comic showing he isn't winning this.

Funny thing is people amp character to the max saying flash will steal this lend his speed to that ...... etc which only have once or twice in comics.

But SS does have a lot of those 1 ... or twice feat which is never shown in battle that can end most battle instantly.

like freezing time....

this forum is becoming of those what u call it make ur own senerio with all the powers u have seen........

😉

Originally posted by kgkg
Never said SS wins tho.... I said using all his power (like in this forum) he might win few.
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i can live with that. 😉

Funny thing is people amp character to the max saying flash will steal this lend his speed to that ...... etc which only have once or twice in comics.

-- Flash has done it or mentioned doing it, tons of times.
Even alternate Flashes have done it, such as Bart from Titans of Tomorrow we saw doing in the couple issues we saw him. Elseworlds Flashes, etc. Pretty much every Flash in normal universe has done it. Jay Garrick did it to Superman so he could catch Wally before.
It's a common part of their powerset, don't get it twisted. It's happened dozens of times.

Meanwhile Surfer stopping or going through time has pretty much always been circumstantial and plot driven, rather than a direct extension of his own will. -- Not that anyone should trust the completely false views of Adam "Beyonder and Galactus vs Blue Beetle, who wins?" Warlock, anyways..

i've said the same thing in other threads. it's why ll debators should look at the most CONSISTENT showings of a character when debating . . .

use the MODE, rather than the mean when considering winners . . . . 😉

I saw T-Vo questions popping up.

1st, It's not really based on willpower between 2 opponents. Superman nor anyone else has ever stated that.

2nd, It's no simple illusion, although that option IS available to him as well.

3rd, It's not psychic as Superman CANNOT read your thoughts, but he can block his thoughts out.

4th, It's very much like Power Cosmic or Oan power. It's a PIS device as when activated, he can pretty do much whatever he wants with it.

What is it exactly? It's borderline reality control. Superman engulfs an area (including his opponent) in "Theta waves" which in turn gives him some access to his opponents power set. He chooses the environment, and the 2 fight according to the environments rules.

i don't really like calling it down because it DOES seem pis'ish. i wonder why we don't see more of it?

If Silver Surfer can kick Gladiator's ass, then he could definately beat superman to a pulp.

I don't thnk that ONLY referring to the current standards of Marvel or DC characters is necessary if you can specifically state WHICH version of the character you are talking about.

I ask Moderator DIGIMARK about this, and he said as long as you aren't being offensive to anyone, you can debate however you please.

Also, not EVERYONE is up to current information, u know, not everyone reads up on all the LATEST info on every single character in every single comic book, so how is it fair for those people if they know nothing about the current versions ?

I feel that as long as you can pin point which version of who you are talking about, and back up your opinion with your selected facts, then you're doing nothing wrong.

And also, about Cosmic Power meaning nothing in DC..how can you say that?

Doesn't Darkseid rely on cosmic power, and isn't the SOURCE a cosmic power?

Marvel isn't the only universe that refers to UNIVERSAL energy as cosmic power, Crossgen had done it to.

I was always under the impression that power cosmic simply means being able to gather energy from the fabric of the universe itself.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
If Silver Surfer can kick Gladiator's ass, then he could definately beat superman to a pulp.

I don't thnk that ONLY referring to the current standards of Marvel or DC characters is necessary if you can specifically state WHICH version of the character you are talking about.

I ask Moderator DIGIMARK about this, and he said as long as you aren't being offensive to anyone, you can debate however you please.

Also, not EVERYONE is up to current information, u know, not everyone reads up on all the LATEST info on every single character in every single comic book, so how is it fair for those people if they know nothing about the current versions ?

I feel that as long as you can pin point which version of who you are talking about, and back up your opinion with your selected facts, then you're doing nothing wrong.

in their only battle (non-canon), glads and ss were shown to be almost exact equals. ss wins because glads has a cheap weakness ss can exploit, not because he is necessarily more powerful. supes weakness to k-nite is not as great as glads weakness to . . . whatever that rad is called . . .

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Surfer is a pro using CA. He's been doing it for years. Not an amateur like Genis.

Here's a scan of SS using Cosmic Awareness and straight up telling Gladiator not to fu@k with him:

Easily remedied...we are using all abilities right? "Gee, I wonder why my Kryptonite doesn't work...."

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Surfer and Flash can weave themselves in and out of time. Surfer has better control that imo. Flash will fall, then the rest will follow. If Surfer was truly bloodlusted and was willing to do anything to win, even this JLA team won't be a match for him.

Falling through time? How about manipulating reality through different ages?

Fair is fair. ALL characters here have RIDICULOUS feats. JLA>SS.

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cripes supes is tough . . .

Supes is off the chain.

One question??
How the heck did the writer explain its existence??
Where was in it IC, or any other arcs??

And wasn't Dominus of the supposed "blink you out of existence" range of power??
If so, what excuse did they give for him not blinking away a kryptonian upstart??

Or, not being prepared for this technique, since he's said to be an ancient cosmic diety?? Must not be that old or wise......

And even if he used this against Surfer, his best bet would be to have the fight take place within the sun. And there's no reason that Surfer couldn't possibly collapse the sun into a blackhole. Still not a tie breaker.
But like i said before, against the team on page one, Surfer can open a blackhole and cut away 3/4's of it. And deal with the remains. Surfer 6/10.

Originally posted by UniOmni
One question??
How the heck did the writer explain its existence??
Where was in it IC, or any other arcs??

And wasn't Dominus of the supposed "blink you out of existence" range of power??
If so, what excuse did they give for him not blinking away a kryptonian upstart??

Or, not being prepared for this technique, since he's said to be an ancient cosmic diety?? Must not be that old or wise......

And even if he used this against Surfer, his best bet would be to have the fight take place within the sun. And there's no reason that Surfer couldn't possibly collapse the sun into a blackhole. Still not a tie breaker.
But like i said before, against the team on page one, Surfer can open a blackhole and cut away 3/4's of it. And deal with the remains. Surfer 6/10.

Originally posted by UniOmni
One question??
How the heck did the writer explain its existence??
Where was in it IC, or any other arcs??

And wasn't Dominus of the supposed "blink you out of existence" range of power??
If so, what excuse did they give for him not blinking away a kryptonian upstart??

Or, not being prepared for this technique, since he's said to be an ancient cosmic diety?? Must not be that old or wise......

And even if he used this against Surfer, his best bet would be to have the fight take place within the sun. And there's no reason that Surfer couldn't possibly collapse the sun into a blackhole. Still not a tie breaker.
But like i said before, against the team on page one, Surfer can open a blackhole and cut away 3/4's of it. And deal with the remains. Surfer 6/10.

I hate to answer a question with another question but....

Why is it Superman is the only one to get subjected to this type of thing? Why doesn't anyone ask why Galactus hasn't blinked Thanos out of existence or even Odin (you know..the "multiverse shaker"😉

Why didn't the all powerful LT stop Thanos from assembling the IG or getting the HOTU?

Why would SS turn the Sun into a black hole? It isn't in his personality which is JUST as important as his powerset.

If SS is opening a black hole as you put it, the JLA crushes him... He isn't doing that instantly and it requires effort/concentration.

That's like a beacon for "hit me while I'm pulling this technique!"

Alright Avy. You are right. I let the rabid, and sometimes illogical fans of certain characters rile me. On other boards, i have heard Superman referred to as THE MOST EFFECTIVE HERO in comics to date. I have also heard him likened to a skyfather in his application of power.

But to answer the questions......Galactus has a built in excuse. His hunger. Exerting himself to blink someone out of existence would probably tax him significantly, due to the whole, uprooting them from the fabric of time and space thing.
Odin i don't give a hoot about, truly.

LT is the tribunal ie judge. He only comes to the party when a crime has been done. Destroying the universe was the crime. Not the assembling of the IG.

But you are right. I am hard on Superman. Just as i'm hard on Thanos, and don't get me started on Wolverine and Cap America. Superman isn't the only one with a jobber aura that feels my wrath. Batman has a bigger one than Superman, but he's (imo) alright with it.

And yes, if Batman suddenly had the ability to warp reality somewhat, i'd flame him too. When its totally outta nowhere and goes against the roots of the character, i won't hesitate to voice my displeasure.
Kinda like Superman knowing martial arts or having a psychic attack. Totally wrong imo.