Originally posted by Illustrious
So is Vrook and Vander on the council in Sith War? Did you see [b]anyone here make that assertion? Anyone?-cricket chirp-
I'm waiting.
Guess not. Reading comprehension is your friend. We deduce that they were alive and trained Jedi at the time of the Sith War based on their timelines. It's not about arguing the semantics of their existence.
Maybe because he politically infiltrated the Republic and used propaganda? I'm not saying it wasn't a good political maneuver, but it doesn't speak of his power. Like I said, is Hitler a superior individual than George Washington? Can he beat him in a fight?
I'm not mixing up the topics. Unless you're proposing that Kun suddenly learned how to use force choke while he was a spirit, you're unfounded. You said (paraphrased) "the ancient Sith never used force choke without their technology." I countered it doesn't show anything, as it doesn't show they can't. You've never countered that statement, you've merely tried to spin it in circles.
He built the ship, he clearly has the knowledge that exceeds the level shown of people past the Golden Age.
And since when is this a "fall in and strip down" thing? Lightsabers are a weapon. Are you proposing they fight fisticuff? Besides, you can't prove what level they are at without their equipment. DE Sidious used equipment, I'm not arguing how powerful he would be if he was naked.
So you've officially:
1) Applied hypocritical, double-standard logic.
2) Arbitrarily omitted, tampered with evidence.
3) Avoided the topic on multiple occassions.
4) Changed the parameters of the original discussion on whim.Good job man.
There you go again with the grandiose terms, you're bias really shows through. He sure didn't manipulate the Rebels. He sure didn't manipulate much besides his own bowels when he was benchpressed into the reactor core.
Fact of the matter is, you have no proof he could have done what you said. In fact, the evidence we have suggests Mace kicked his ass fair and square.
We see him lightning him out the window. You said he would push someone out the window while he was fighting him.
And I'm sure Anakin hacking off his arm had NOTHING to do with that.
So is the "let's have some guy get in a chamber and sacrifice himself with a material that happens to own pretty much any living creature it comes into airborne contact with, and then let's get my ship blown right when I'm at the crossroads of victory."
Rhetorical nonsense. Prove that he did research on Endor, and prove that the research was superior to any (or the lack thereof) of Naga Sadow. The end result was the Sidious wound up in the bottom of a reactor core, and Sadow limped home. Personally, I'd rather be Sadow actually.
The final script.
And it's quite apparent that you're not watching your ROTS DVD. Yoda jumps on the pod, gets his saber knocked out by the lightning, puts his hands up, and initially is leaning back. His eyes narrow and he pushes himself to a vertical base. That's overpowering.
If I'm armwrestling someone and my arm is nearly pinned but then I fight back to even, I exhibited more strength than my opponent, clear as that.
Again, avoiding the point. You said Sidious had him lined up. He did not at that point.
You said it wouldn't have impeded him, you had no proof.
Now you say that Sidious "might have trained him." Great job, and if that was the case, maybe he wouldn't get thrown down a reactor core by a parapalegic.
So Ooroo's sacrifice wasn't his fault. Your point? Doling out blame now is a second grade playground affair. You're just deviating from the topic in trying to score Sidious a win.
Fine, fine, I'll concede. Sidious would kick Sadow's ass in a farting contest. [/B]
1. Fine, your point is seen, I concede the point.
2. I never counted Exar among the Ancient Sith, Illustrious.....though Hitler vs. Washington would make a helluva pay per view.
3. When was it ever hinted Sadow built that ship? And one thing noone seems to be able to answer: WHAT ARTIFACTS DID DE SIDIOUS USE?! Name a single one on his person when he did some of his feats-hell, at one point in the comic, he was fighting naked!
4. Y'know Illustrious, I'm REALLY attempting to show you respect in this debate as you and Janus I respect highly, could you please return the favor here? I admitted I was wrong before and if I am, I'll admit it, but cut the insults.
5. The evidence suggests that Sidious, who avoided Mace to cut down three skilled Jedi, drove Mace back then suddenly gets worse as Anakin arrives lost fair and square? And the lightning? When does force lightning rot your teeth?
6. Technically, Sidious wound up on Byss...howwever, unlike Sadow, Sidious had the area under his thumb and since he made it a base of operations...Sadow took no time to prepare or even make certain his rival was really dead, he simply plunged right in. And he was never at the crossroads of victory in the first place. His men were deadlocked with the Republic till Ooroo's sacrifice and Gav knocked his concentration out...and you may want to reconsider being sadow when you consider his homecoming and final fates
7. I could've sworn I see Sidious step forward as well as Yoda, that's honestly not sarcasm on my part, I really believe that's what happens
8. I can provide a source saying Palpatine kept tabs on Anakin (The Chronology), y'know.
9. Ooroo's death was hardly the only disaster! Most of his forces on the planet were illusions and of the three planets, he made sure Gav went to CINNAGAR, where there was vicious fighting going on...and decided to make sure his men DIDN'T heed Gav's instructions to not kill his father figure...and Sadow was honestly shocked Gav betrayed him? I could forgive giving the kid a small position...but passing over Sith lords as a number 2?