DE Sidious versus Marka Ragnos

Originally posted by Borbarad
Again: [b]Tell me how the same people later would be less powerful and unable to reproduce this feat again. Did Anakin suffer some serious loss of power during his birth ? Did Luke suffer some serious loss of power between DE and JK:JA ? No. Then why you keep dodging the point that Luke suggested that it would need MORE power to JUST TRY to take it up with a living Ragnos than was needed to overwhelm Sidious which basically is equal to saying Ragnos > Sidious.

Shame that it's written that he couldn't use the Jedi holocrons and therefore wasn't able to learn what was placed in them. Therefore hyperbole. There is no way to argue that. And mind how I stated "...or used the force in a ritualized form that won't give Sidious anything in a fight...".

a) There is a similar Sith technique. Period.
b) It's descriped as "slowing down body functions of the target being" and not "killing". Putting people into an artificial coma = killing ? Tranquilizer = killing ? Teaching somebody Yoga techniques = Killing ? Point made up by Lightsnake #1932...

Lying fanboys can't save Sidious [/B]

1. Because there's not a furious Sith Lord sending a force storm, an unborn Anakin solo and Luke and Leia? Anakin's power as able to be harnessed by Leia when he was in the womb. and proof he EVER suggested it'd need more power. A....3 year old Anakin and Leia not being PART of the Academy is a bit different. Once more, where's the explanation to what he said would be needed for Hethrir and Kueller? He described Palp as a threat to the Force.

2. Shame the holocrons don't even need to factor and this info supercedes any theory you may have. Every bit of the Force. Period. Fact. No hyperbole. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it true

3. What's this similar Sith technique? And Morchiro was described as a way of killing someone. I can imagine shutting down one's heart and brain and blood circulation could, y'know, KILL them

Wow, you're bad, Lightsnake. The idea that Morichiro kills people is from "Forbidden Knowledge", a WotC sourcebook.

That's really bad.

Ok, ok...not sure why that would be defunct, but alright...

Originally posted by Borbarad
Again: [b]Tell me how the same people later would be less powerful and unable to reproduce this feat again. Did Anakin suffer some serious loss of power during his birth ? Did Luke suffer some serious loss of power between DE and JK:JA ? No. Then why you keep dodging the point that Luke suggested that it would need MORE power to JUST TRY to take it up with a living Ragnos than was needed to overwhelm Sidious which basically is equal to saying Ragnos > Sidious.

What makes you think Luke, Leia, or Anakin(who wouldn't remember, obviously) are able to call on the power at will? Recall that this later happened to Jacen at the end of The Unifying Force, and it was gone soon afterwards, more than a little bit like this case.

Well, the point LS, is that you're arguing heavily with contested knowledge. You're not going to convince us that X will pwn Y by using sourcebooks. Their canon level is a debate in itself. My personal suggestion? Separate sourcebook info from other forms of EU info and note it as such when you bring it up. I haven't really gone out of my way to doublecheck your homework, but just now I did, and I found out where you got that idea from easily. It's also in the Power of the Jedi sourcebook, too.

That's NOT sourcebook info mostly, just the Mirichro misconception

Oh? Where else is it found then?

Lots of it was posted in other reference books and TFN recently had several stories on the like featured from Hyperspace )Like 'Darkness Shared'😉

The databank says it "rapidly slows the functions of the body". It does not in any other way illustrate how effective this is in combat. It also doesn't say "And Yaddle could pwn any Sith Lord because she has this technique".

True, but didn't Yaddle think it too devastating to teach for its capacity of being misused?

Possibly, but that's coming from a woman who is described as "calm and compassionate". Yaddle didn't believe in unneccsary force, as evidence in The Cloak of Deception.

That's true, but Yaddle doesn't mind whooping ass when necessary. Look at Tulak and Kulat

Still, the analogy doesn't support that it's power is comparable to kill Sith lords who have practiced the Force for longer than Sidious has been alive. Now Yaddle might have been very good with it. Good enough to kill a Sith Lord? Debatable. Certainly not very provable. Therefore I submit that the technique itself can't be relied upon, and ultimately this will be resolved through means of the blade and other force powers.

Which I'll admit, is reasonable

Well, I'm glad we agree on that at least.

Indeed. IT's foolish to assume either of these guys'll be an easy kill, though

Lightsnake is back with his illogical cheerleading(fine i'll say fanboyism). Marka Ragnos is the most powerful of the most powerful, and is described as having a "frightening grasp of the dark side". He ruled over g-d knows how many dark siders. Sidious unbalanced the force because how many sith and Jedi were left? Oh wait, less than 10? Hmm.. This wouldn't even be a contest.. The only one that would stalemate or possibly take Ragnos would be NJO Luke.

Originally posted by tdtd
Lightsnake is back with his illogical cheerleading(fine i'll say fanboyism). Marka Ragnos is the most powerful of the most powerful, and is described as having a "frightening grasp of the dark side". He ruled over g-d knows how many dark siders. Sidious unbalanced the force because how many sith and Jedi were left? Oh wait, less than 10? Hmm.. This wouldn't even be a contest.. The only one that would stalemate or possibly take Ragnos would be NJO Luke.

ZOMG. Stop resurrecting threads that have already been determined...

sorry didn't see the date of the last post