Originally posted by darthsith19
I have a question. What does DE Sidious do that makes him so powerful? So much more powerful than ROTS Sidious? I mean, didn't he get killed by Han Solo?
Summons what is described as the mightiest weapon of the Ancient Sith to destroy a fleet
why do people ignore he let Han shoot him to leave the clone?
Originally posted by Illustrious
Tales of the Jedi is official too. You didn't seem to hesitate in denying that.The same Kun that had Luke at his mercy until he got help? The Luke that was post DE? Check.
And no one claimed either incarnation of him was weak, but I, Jedi does not provide any substantiation or definitive conclusive narration that he was weaker in physical form than as a spirit.
That's because it's in TOTJ 😉.
This stuff is recent. TOTJ is years and years old. And contradicts nothing.
What Luke at his mercy? He failed to destroy Luke and needed Kyp's help to double team him.
I, Jedi says clearly he had a well of power to focus on and the energies he sucked from the Massassi...what'd be the POINT of shedding the chains of flesh to become an 'almighty spirit' if he'd decrease in power?
'Sith Wyrm' is never mentioned in TOTJ.
Originally posted by IKC
Y'know Lightsnake? Don't tell other members what to stay out of or get into. You're not Lord of the Board.And Lightsnake, read TOTJ. It shows Kun performing feats that his spirit could never do. I, Jedi, written by Michael Stackpole and not KJA was more about Corran Horn than anyone else.
And in the TOTJ Sourcebook, it's called a Sith Wyrm. I love how you didn't address how they don't resemble each other. Here are its stats:
Sith Wyrm: Mutated subterranean carnivorous vermin 14; Init +0; Defense 12 (+10 natural, -8 size); Spd 16m, burrow 40m; VP/WP 326/304; Atk +26 melee (4d8+17, bite) or +5 ranged; SQ Darkvision 20m, swallow whole, track; SV Fort +25, Ref +11, Will +3; SZ C; Rep 4; Str 44, Dex 10, Con 38, Int 1, Wis 8, Cha 10. Challenge Code: l.
Skills: Listen +14, Hide +7, Spot +9, Survival -1 Special Qualities: Swallow Whole-After a successful grapple check, the Sith wyrm can swallow opponents it holds (see Grapple on page 148 of the Star Wars
Roleplaying Game). The opponent can be up to Gargantuan in size. First, the Sith wyrm must make a successful melee touch attack to grab its victim. Immediately afterward, it must make an opposed grapple check to hold its victim. On a later turn, it may attempt an opposed grapple check against its held opponent. If the wyrm succeeds on its check, it swallows its victim whole; on a failed roll, the
opponent remains held.If the victim survives the attack and ends up in the Sith wyrm's stomach, he or she suffers 3d6 points of acid damage each round. If the swallowed character can deal 48 points of wound damage to the inside of the Sith wyrm (which has a Defense of 12), he or she breaks free.
And neither is Janus. Neither are you. What feats does he do that his spirit couldn't? Never saw his physical form help remove someone from their body.
Oh, so Stackpole is less official than KJA? And here's what's great: The TOTJ sourcebook is contradicted in several places now. What's a few more times then? I mean, the Sith Empire now only existed for 2000 years now...and the Night beast looked far different than KAlgrath before his mutation so? Alright, but Sith Wyrm, fine. I'd place a Leviathan on a higher plateau
And y'know something? After how Sorgo and Janus have acted, I have no issues not being civil to them. After numerous insults and personal attacks, I'm sick of it.
1) No, you have no proof that it was a stalemate. In fact, the ease with which Kun kills him in the only source that matters (the actual comic) tells us he was toying with him. QED.
2) Sorry, no it isn't. Vodo, Arca, Odan, none of them are shown making "preparations" to join the Force. Neither is Master Dominus, who Zona Luka strikes down in TSW. Ergo, whatever "preparations" are required, fanboy, don't take very long to do.
This is beside the point. Like I said, you finally admitted that Vodo didn't give up. It took you long enough.
3) Or you don't know what "de facto" means, which wouldn't surprise me. Who else was the de facto head of the order if not Vodo?
4)
Are you really so dense? I'll emphasize for you: The war against the Sith continued past the events depicted in FotSE. Unless you actually think that all the Republic and Jedi did was destroy the invading force and chase tham once to the battle in which Ludo participated and then just left the entirety of the Sith Empire unmolested. You would think this despite the fact that dialogue and narration shows that the combined Republic and Jedi forces continued into the old Empire and smashed it, "hunting the Sith to extinction" as described by one of the participants, Odan-Urr.
7) Really? Only four? What the hell is this then?
Ooh, and there's old horse-faced Qrrl Toq bringing up the rear!
And they could have tried it against Kun, but since they did not, Kun's most likely so much more powerful than them that they knew it would fail.
8) The point is that he seems to change his mind and orders all of the massassi, including the unnamed one he sent into the isolation chambers, to the sacrificial chamber. Prove that Kalgrath was the Massassi Kun ordered down there, then.
9) While he's overcome with grief after killing his brother Cay and not resisting worth a damn? Good job. I can push over a 300 lb man if he doesn't try to push back.
10) Or that Kun is confident enough that he doesn't need to blast Ulic to best him.
And you don't seem to understand the element of sarcasm:
This is a lie. Kun states, "My hand... the flesh is burned! But I feel no pain!" And then, immediately afterwards, we have a nice big close-up of that very same hand.Ooh, how hideously burned. (THIS IS CALLED SARCASM, LOOK AT THE PICTURE) Unlike Sidious, Kun doesn't melt himself with his own techniques.
And in ROTS, we see that when Sidious' lightning is reflected back at him, it deforms him.
11) A plateau? 😆 You seem to forget the subject matter: you claimed Kun used Makashi, we slapped that ridiculous assertion aside with evidence from the source material.
12) Ah yes, an "avatar of the Force" but he'd get pwned by PT padawans in a saber duel. Good job Luke.
And answer the question, is Tott Doneeta a Force God because he can block vehicle blasts with Force shields?
13) What you stated doesn't make a lick of sense in the context of my post.
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13) Right. Vague "Sith techniques" that people suggest other people try. My query: Where is this relevant?
I note you're unable to prove that choke is nothing more than simple telekinesis. Chalk up another one!"
One: Prove that it can counter any sith technique that does so.
Two: Prove that it can do so without fail, even if the attacker has more force power than the defender.
Three: Prove that it's even the same technique Kun uses.
14) Incorrect. If a story and a guide referencing a story are in conflict, do you know which one is correct? The original story.
Regarding Kun's knowledge... how could he not have found knowledge or artifacts on Korriban and at the same time Palpatine could find them there four thousand freaking years later?
Short answer: It's impossible that he couldn't have. Ergo, Kun has knowledge and artifacts recovered from Korriban. They didn't just disappear when Kun was on the world.
15) Or Palpatine's an idiot who would rather walk five miles to work rather than drive. Or they didn't even exist.
And this makes him greater than the creators of said artifacts, how?
This is not to mention that you have no proof that Kun needed the amulet for anything.
16) We saw Kressh match Sadow... for a few panels before being interrupted by Ragnos. Unless you honestly think that if they kept fighting uninterrupted the fight would go on forever, there's no such thing as a true stalemate.
17) Six years where he had no opportunity to learn any of the ancient forms and six years where he had no formal teaching of any sort. Lucky for him everyone else sucked too.
This is not to mention that it only took six months for Kun to reach the point he reached in TSW.
Mace Windu? A "child" in comparison to those of the Ancient Sith. A child in comparison to Exar Kun's skills. The minute Mace Windu puts Yoda on his ass, come talk to me, because then he'll come close to Kun's accomplishment.
No explanation to how Ood drew up power from OSsus to fight Sedriss,
No mention how Ood was rooted to one spot for four thousand years, remained rooted during the fight, declared "combat is not my skill," and got fried by a supernova.
What a challenge he must have been.
no answers to how Odan was strong in the least...
War experience, anyone?
Mace'd have destroyed your prcious exar in a fight. Vaapad, something Kun has never seen....
Kun's style, something Mace has never even heard of combined with a short-hilted double-bladed lightsaber, something no Jedi is experienced with fighting against.
Mace would get crushed.
we know Sidious killed numerous Jedi in the purge and crushed three strong Jedi in a dying clone body
So did Boba Fett. Is Boba Fett > Exar Kun, now?
And if by "three strong Jedi" you mean "three post-OT Jedi who can in no way compare to the PT until NJO."
And yes, the Chancellor can pull out a saber and storm the temple....
But did he? No. By your logic, that means he's a weakling.
I recall Kun running in fear from the Jedi who equaled the number in that temple and being tooled by toddlers
First point: You're lying. Prove up and show me the fear. Fear hasn't been on Kun's mind since before he embraced the Dark Side.
Second point: Tooled by toddlers? You realize that the apprentices were mostly adults and they were assisted by two lightsabers, Vodo, and Luke, right?
This is not to mention that he was a four thousand year old, weakened, half-mad spirit. Even as a spirit he outperforms Palpatine, who did jack-all as a spirit.
Thanks for proving Janus' prediction though.
And I imagine Lightsnake's reply to those megaposts will be like this...1. etc. etc.
2. etc. etc.
3. etc. etc.
...And so on. Nowhere near the size and completely lacking in adherence to logic.
QED, man. Give it up.
Lying fanboys can't save Sidious. Nor can they respond to all the points of their opposition. When they do, they are devoid of logic and evidence.
1. No, it doesn't. It shows he had an advantage after he used his trump card. If he could beat him otherwise, he would have.
2. Vodo knew he'd fight Exar later and accepts his death, we see Arca accept his death, Odan, we see Dominus definitely accept his death, saying he fights for the light even against Zona...when would any preparations be LONG? Luke doesn the same thing in the New Rebellion. It's a technique only performable by true Jedi Masters, that's it.
3. Ood? Arca? Who says there was a head of such a disjointed order? PRove there was a grandmaster
4. How? Wouldn't it be worth a try? I submit I was wrong about Jedi number, but to not try it against Exar is insanity.
5. Kalgrath reappeared in Classic Star Wars as a night beast and later made his way to Ziost. When did Kun change his mind? He'd already decided to drain the Massassi except Kalgrath, called a 'last surprise.
6. So? And the Ancient Sith Odan supposedly tried this on couldn't fight back? Wouldn't it be worth a shot to subdue Kun? Four strong Jedi at once blocking him from the Force, a technique never shown to be blockable?
7. As Kun is only stalemating Ulic....and he didn't kill Aleema either despite the fact he was there for that purpose
8. And in ROTS, we see him faking. According to Lucas's commentary, Dark side use changed his face. In the EU, we see him change it at will.
9. http://swg.stratics.com/content/gameplay/professions/jedi/lightsaber_combat.php
No, we didn't. Here's proof. And check the author's name if you like.
10. I assume you have proof to back that up. Luke is descirbed as a 'titan' and a god there.
11. You're not exactly providing oodles of proof a force choke is 'simple telekensisi'....if it was, Obi-wan wouldn't be nabbed by Dooku with it and OBi-wan could've saved Padme.
12. Tott was only a gifted student trained by Arca who showed excellent mental gifts.
13. When it doubt insult it out, IKC? Luke says he learned to block Sith techniques designed to instantly kill an opponent. He elarned to block deadly Sith techniques like force chokes....benefit of a doubt would imply...
14. How much time did Kun even spend on Korriban? And whatever knowledge he may've taken--was he shown taking anything? Was on Yavin 4, which Palpatine had access to...and according to what I posted earlier, source given: Palp knew all known powers, unknown powers and created new powers
15. Kun didn't need the amulet to kill the Wyrm and Nadd? Or kill Odan?
16. So? KRessh was still matching Sadow at the time. And the Sith Lords as a majority were supporting KRessh until the Republic incident.
17. You forget where Luke was described as a titan and God.
18. Proof Mace was a child to the Ancient Sith. had Kun ever seen Vaapad? No. Why would Kun's weapon make a different? We know Mace can move faster than even Kar Vastor's eye could detect.
19. Waaaait, Leia, declared strong as Nomi Sunrider, Rayf of the Ysanna and Brand, a survivor of the purge were weaklings? And you'll notice Ood said combat wasn't his skill...nothing about force power and Kun couldn't cut through him or blast him, it'd seem....and he drew up all his power from Ossus's core and that's a LOT of power.
20. Because the Chancellor would pull out a saber and reveal himself as a Sith, BRILLIANT idea.
21. "Ulic! It's dark, I'm trapped!"
Kun was trapped before Vodo and Luke showed up. He was repelled by the force twins, too.
And we know Kun had more power as a spirit from the life forces of the Massassi and the focal point of his energy...and that's one useless ritual and one stupid Sith if he'd be just decline as a spirit. Corran said he'd prepared for everything.
and as a spirit, Palpatine drained a world. In a body he was described as a titan, Godlike, knowing every aspect of the Force, unleashing the mightiest force technique known to the greatest degree ever done, incinerating a legion with force lightning, killing three men described as some of the best duelists an order produced in seconds, using a ritual to rock the galaxy.
Stop downplaying Luke, I showed proof he was declared a god and titan, so strong that his duel with Palp was felt over the galaxy. Palpatine achieved more, he learned more and demonstrated greater powers. in the DS sourcebook, a force storm is described as the ultimate Sith attack, required to rip the fabric of the galaxy. We know he had holocrons from many eras and perfected new techniques he invented. He took artifacts from Yavin, Ziost, Korriban, Abaadon, Dromund Kaas, Thule among many others-stated in Complete Locations, among others
1) Yes, it does. It shows that Kun was toying with Vodo since obviously he wasn't using the full extent of his skill against him. Your use of the term "trump card" is as indicative of bias as anything you spout: was it a trump card when Dooku sliced off Anakin's arm?
As I said before: it's a term you use to diminish the man's accomplishment.
2) Yes, but the premise of your original point was that because they became spirits, Vodo must have given up the fight against Kun.
And Remind me where Vodo didn't give up against Exar Obi-wan style?
Quoted for truth. You can't prove that and the comic indicates otherwise. QED.
3) Ood? Mr. Librarian? Mr. "Combat is not my skill, Exar Kun?" Mr. "I'm going to trap myself here so the supernova can pwn me, but at least Exar Kun didn't get these old lightsabers!"
Arca? Mr. "I'm only 200 years old?" Mr. "Let me turn my back so this droid can pwn me while I'm ironically warning Ulic against surprise attacks?"
These two shlubs against Vodo, who is repeatedly shown seated at the council of other ancient masters and can make his staff "more powerful" than a lightsaber? Against Vodo, who trained the most powerful Force user of the time?
Vodo was the de facto head at the very least. Deal with it.
4) You numbered wrong. This should be #7.
For one, Jedi can sense a Force user's power. This would give them a reasonable idea of whether or not their technique would work. If they didn't try it against him, it is more likely that he was too powerful for it to be worth a try.
5) Kalgrath is not named in TOTJ nor can you prove that the massassi Kun temporarily ordered to the isolation chambers is the same one that became a "night beast."
Nor can you prove that Kalgrath, if he was even part of Kun's massassi, was left out. Kun says all massassi. Not all but one.|
Prove that Kun decided to drain the massassi before ordering that Massassi down. I would argue that his "but" indicates a slight change of plans.
6) What do you mean so? It's ridiculous to state that they couldn't fight back - of course they did. But it seems that Odan bested them, doesn't it?
And a technique never shown to be blockable? Kun certainly blocked it quite well when Odan tried to do it to him.
7) As Kun is temporarily stalemating Ulic (stalemates don't last forever, and it was only a lightsaber stalemate). And correction: he didn't kill Aleema yet.
8) Lol. Now you're arguing that Sidous faked it against Windu? Got any evidence? He's beaten in both the movie and the novelization. Face it, he got put on his ass. Hell, I thought that way once, but there is no evidence.
Yes, is not lightning "dark side use?" But good that you dropped the ridiculous point on Kun's hand being "burned." Chalk up another one.
How in God's name is any of that Makashi? Those are hammer strikes, not the precision fencing we saw from Count Dooku.
Furthermore, tell me how it's even possible to use Makashi with a short-hilted, double-bladed lightsaber. You're trumped by the comic.
10) Mostly because Luke knows jack about lightsaber dueling nor is there any evidence that he knows a thing about any of the seven forms even by DE. Again, PT padawans would pwn him.
11) It is your assertion that requires proof, not mine. Prove that choke is something other than simple, applied telekinesis.
And given that Obi-Wan was both weaker than and surprised by Dooku, your point collapses.
12) Answer the question: Tott mirrors Luke's feat, does this make him a "titan" and a god?
13)
One: Prove that it can counter any sith technique that does so.Two: Prove that it can do so without fail, even if the attacker has more force power than the defender.
Three: Prove that it's even the same technique Kun uses.
And good job Luke, you learned how to resist telekinesis! You're almost at the level of a PT padawan!
14) How much time is unknown. And absence of proof is not proof of absence; he wasn't even shown leaving Korriban, does that mean he never left? He's not shown eating, does that mean he doesn't eat? He's not shown taking a crap, does that mean he doesn't?
If Palpatine knew all powers, he would have simply frozen and beheaded Luke a la Kun, or ripped Luke's soul out like Nadd, or projected illusions like Sadow, etc.
He didn't. Any one of these techniques would've allowed Sidious to prevail over Skywalker. Besides the logical improbability of any one person knowing all force techniques, prove that he learned even a quarter of what Exar did. And also, how in God's name do you think Exar would've let Palpatine waltz into his temples and take his things? As is evidenced in JAT, he wakes up when force sensitives are around. Even as a half-mad spirit, he would've given Palpatine trouble.
15) There's no proof that he did need it to kill Nadd or the wyrm because he had only just embraced the dark side. It is feasible that he could have.
And Odan? Where's the proof that he used an amulet on Odan? Is Exar not allowed to gesture with his hands because amulets are on them?
How is this relevant? For the five thousandth time, he's not fighting naked.
16) At the time. Hell, if the fight lasts two seconds, I can stalemate a 300 lb man in a shoving contest.
17) As a god in what context? Certainly he was better than anyone else alive with the exception of Sidious. But out of the obsolete context of DE, written before TOTJ, Luke's a pipsqueak.
18) Kreia's quote, the existence of Tulak Hord, etc.
And considering Juyo was unfinished Vaapad, it is likely that Kun would be more familiar with Mace's style than Mace would be with Kun's unique one. This is not to mention the fact that Kun would be using a weapon totally unfamiliar to Mace, which would place him at an even bigger disadvantage.
Kun tools Mace in a saber fight, plain and simple. Ergo, he will tool Sidious, whom Mace put on his ass.
19) When's Leia ever shown herself capable of anything Nomi's done? She may have the potential, but she doesn't have it realized as Nomi did.
And you'll notice that Exar didn't bother trying to hack through Ood's body, not necessarily because he couldn't but that it would take too long given that there was a supernova on the way.
20) As if that mattered? Nobody knew that the temple was actually attacked. Everyone thought the Jedi rebelled thanks to Sidious' maneuvering.
21) Yes, trapped on the moon, most likely from the wall of light all the Jedi in the galaxy put there 4000 years ago.
Kun may have been "trapped" but he was not defeated or dispelled without the help of two lightsabers, twelve (I believe?) apprentices, Vodo, and Luke. And this is not to mention that it was Kun's 4000 year old, weakened, and half-mad spirit.
Kun does not have more power as a spirit than he does when he was alive. As Glentract showed much earlier:
Right now I really don't care whether I convince you or not. I'm right.But, I'll entertain you for a while.
Obi-wan's power decreased after he died until the point he could no longer speak with Luke.
Ajunta Pall lost his memories and was only a shadow of his former self after he died.
Ragnos was feared by people like Ulic as a young spirit, but was later weakened to the point where he lost to Jaden.
Exar was slowly weakened to the point where he could barely talk after several thousand years.
It's rather obvious. If you don't believe me, that's to bad, I don't care.
Continued...
About your ridiculous arguments from the sourcebooks:
No, this is bullshit. Now you're arguing the Dark Side Sourcebook, which is a handbook for the WotC RPG, saying random statements in it overide TOTJ? Are you nuts? RPG canon is NOT canon at all!
Let's go over this AGAIN:The Holocron's database field is divided into four levels: G-canon, C-canon, S-canon, and N-canon. G, C and S together form an overall continuity. Each ascending level overrides the lower ones. e.g. Boba Fett's back story was radically altered with the release of Attack of the Clones, forcing retconning of older source material to fall in line with the new G-canon back story.
G-canon is absolute canon; the movies and anything coming directly from George Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements coming directly from Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon (see below).
When the matter of changes between movie versions is brought up, the remastered editions are deemed superior to the theatrical ones, since they correct mistakes and improve consistency between the two trilogies. They also express Lucas' original intention and also final word.
C-canon is pretty much everything in the Expanded Universe: Star Wars books, comics, games, cartoons, and more. Games are a special case as generally only the stories are C-canon while things like stats and gameplay may not be. C-canon elements have been known to appear in the movies, thus making them G-canon. (This includes: the name "Coruscant," swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters, Salporin, and Action VI Transports.)S-canon is "secondary" canon; the story itself is considered non-continuity, but the non-contradicting elements are still a canon part of the Star Wars universe. This includes things like the popular online roleplaying game Star Wars Galaxies and certain elements of a few N-canon stories.
N-canon is "non-canon." What-if stories (such as stories published under the Infinities label), some game stats, fanon, and anything else directly contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N-canon is the only level that is not considered canon by Lucasfilm.
Let me point out the definition for C-canon: Games are a special case in which things like states and gameplay may not be canon but stories are. Since roleplaying games and their sourcebooks are staging grounds for fictional, out of continuity individual roleplaying sessions for the amusement of private parties, they should not be considered canon AT ALL. In fact, I would argue that sourcebooks for roleplaying games (obsolete or not) fall under S-canon, and while they may not contradict the EU licensed universe, they do not reflect it either.
Pwnt. QED.
Lying fanboys can't save Sidious. Spend more than five minutes on your reply next time.
1. No, it doesn't. It shows he had an advantage after he used his trump card. If he could beat him otherwise, he would have.
This is one of the reasons why people think you're biased. You keep calling it a trump card. It wasn't a trump card. Is using the other end of your weapon a trump card? Did Mace pull a "trump card" when he kicked Sidious' saber out of his hand? Did Dooku pull a "trump card" when he force choked and tossed Obi-Wan across the room? Did Sidious pull a "trump card" when he blasted Yoda's lightsaber from his fingers with a lightning?
All of these are innate powers of the character. It's not like Exar Kun ran out of the room and got a bigger weapon. And the fact that seconds after he pulls out the lightsaber, he cleaves Vodo in half indicates that the fight was easier than you may be saying.
5. Kalgrath reappeared in Classic Star Wars as a night beast and later made his way to Ziost. When did Kun change his mind? He'd already decided to drain the Massassi except Kalgrath, called a 'last surprise.
I don't remember reading a Kalgrath in TOTJ, refresh my memory?
7. As Kun is only stalemating Ulic....and he didn't kill Aleema either despite the fact he was there for that purpose
Kill Aleema and get rid of an annoying star cluster, a two for one deal. You act like he failed in killing her.
8. And in ROTS, we see him faking. According to Lucas's commentary, Dark side use changed his face. In the EU, we see him change it at will.
It's possible he was faking the exchange with Anakin, but I seriously doubt he was faking the fight against Windu. It certainly doesn't make any sense for him to kill off three Jedi and then tank against Windu.
10. I assume you have proof to back that up. Luke is descirbed as a 'titan' and a god there.
And in another passage you provided, it described Luke as an untrained and undeveloped farmboy. Luke never had the lightsaber refinery as Dooku, he never developed the force intuition of Yoda, he certainly didn't have the physical strength of a Ragnos.
12. Tott was only a gifted student trained by Arca who showed excellent mental gifts.
You dodged the question here. You said Luke was godly and you sited this as a reaason. Tott duplicated it. In the same way that you degrade Sadow because it was the superweapon not the man. If a feat is duplicated by a deemed lesser individual, it's no longer as impressive. Luke's controlling of a black hole, being a "conduit of the force," blocking bolts with the force, etc has been duplicated; ergo those instances alone don't make him singular.
14. How much time did Kun even spend on Korriban? And whatever knowledge he may've taken--was he shown taking anything? Was on Yavin 4, which Palpatine had access to...and according to what I posted earlier, source given: Palp knew all known powers, unknown powers and created new powers
The problem is that statement is vague. If he knew all force powers but didn't use them when the time came, he might as well have not known them. Just like you said, Sadow never cast a force storm when he was meditating -- an attack that could have saved his ass. If Sidious used an illusion, created an army with alchemy, or froze his opponents, he would never have been caught in the bad situation he was in. The statement is about as revealing as saying Sadow was a "master sith magician and alchemist."
15. Kun didn't need the amulet to kill the Wyrm and Nadd? Or kill Odan?
Was it stated he needed it? Did it mention that the amulet was the one that killed the wyrm, Nadd, and Odan? The text even goes so far as to say that the amulet was made more powerful BECAUSE of Kun's darkness, not vice versa. The amulet is an unknown quality.
This stuff is recent. TOTJ is years and years old. And contradicts nothing.
TOTJ is a couple years old yes, and it has been abridged by new additions such as KotOR and Ragnos' mention in JK:A. These 2 sources expound upon the power of the ancient Sith. However, the mere fact that the sourcebook attempts to say there was only 2000 years of Sith history is outright wrong. It is contradicted by higher sources of canon and must be adjusted. DE fails to have this adjustment so we have to put it in context. That's all.
What Luke at his mercy? He failed to destroy Luke and needed Kyp's help to double team him.I, Jedi says clearly he had a well of power to focus on and the energies he sucked from the Massassi...what'd be the POINT of shedding the chains of flesh to become an 'almighty spirit' if he'd decrease in power?
Double team him? Is that why Han Solo comfronted him while Luke was hard at work getting rid of Exar's spirit?
The reason for him becoming the spirit was also because he knew that there was no way to survive an onslaught of "all the jedi." It was never a narrative annotation that said he would "come back stronger than his physical form."
Hell, Nadd said he would come back and be stronger, then he got blasted by Kun.
As far as spirits being stronger than bodies, Corran even says in I, Jedi, "while disembodies, spirits can't affect the physical world."
So how does this indicate Kun's spirit was more powerful than his physical form? The mere fact that Kun can impact the physical form as a wraith seems to indicate that he's more powerful than you give him credit for. Not to mention in that same book, he lifts Corran into the air and shatters his leg, not to mention Luke himself believed that Kun "controlled" Kyp, not tempted him with words.
Unfortunately, you need to prove how they operate that differently. The underlying principle that they need life and substance to sustain the force itself, unless they feed all the time or something (The latter part being speculation, of course.) They can take steps, but this doesn't insure that they remain strong for millenia with no weakening at all. That's a bit silly.
