Silverspider/Dizzle's Team Tounrament: Round 1, Fight 2- DarkCrawler vs. illadelph12

Started by illadelph1220 pages

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Found this on a webpage long ago:

"Karate Kid has:

a) Increased effectiveness of his attacks to the point that physical blows can shatter high-tech 30th century metals (Legion of Superheroes #103), knock incredibly dense and heavy superhumans straight up into the air (Legion Worlds #5), affect beings in powered armor (Legionnaires #26) and when combined with other techniques, harm beings of incredible durability (Legionnaires Annual #2, Legion of Superheroes #103, Legion Worlds #5).

b) The ability to sense weak points in all things, from the weakest and most vulnerable points in force fields (Legionnaires #22), super-advanced 30th century metals, even on a microscopic level (Legion of Superheroes #125), as well as being able to instincitvely detect the most vulnerable points in living beings, such as pressure points and nerve clusters, even if he's never seen that species of alien before (Legion of Superheroes Secret Files #2, Legion Worlds #5). Using this abilitiy, it's even possible to destroy entire starships (Titans/Legion of Superheroes: Universe a Blaze #4).

c) Enhanced durability that can withstand great punishment, including allowing him to survive one or two lethal attacks from people strong enough to damage nearly indestructible metals (Legion Worlds #5) to not being harmed after having several tons of metal dropped on top of him (Legionnaires #39).

d) An enhanced awareness of his surroundings, from being able to tell that an opponent is wearing in total darkness without making contact with said being (Legionnaires #39), to being able to detect an avoid a heat vision blast that tore through the ship he was in before the ship's sensors detected the attack (Legion of Superheroes #111), to being able to detect a stealthy super assassin from over a kilometer away by hearing her heart-beat (Legion of Superheroes #121), to being able to detect an alien teleporting silently behind him and invisible opponents (The Legion #22), being able to be aware of multiple projectiles coming at him from different directions, even when blindfolded (Legion of Superheroes #111).

e) Enhanced dodging skills that allows him to avoid energy attacks, even ones that arc along the entire floor (Legion of Superheroes #83), fired rapidly by a being with superspeed (Legion of Superheroes #111), and rapid burst fire from a powerful lazer cannon (Legion Worlds #5).

f) Enhanced reflexes, skill and cordination that allow him to redirect in mid-flight arrows and beings that are moving at speeds in excess of escape velocity, in addition to redirecting the attacks of superhumanly powerful opponents, no matter their strength or weight (Legion of Superheroes #111). These also allow him to spar successfully with being using superspeed (Titans/Legion of Superheroes: Universe a Blaze #2-3).

g) A knowledge of esoteric bio-manipulation philosophies that allow him to inflict incredible pain on a species he has just met with a light tap, as well as heal and revive hurt and unconcious allies ( Legion of Superheroes Secret Files #2). This also grants him a body-language reading ability that allows him to tell if someone is under outside control based solely on how they move (Legion of Superheroes #111).

h) A general increase in overal combat ability that allows him to take on a small army of the most dangerous criminals in the galaxy (Legionnaires #22), a large group of superhuman were-creatures (Legion of Superheroes Secret Files #2), and defeat the greatest assassin in the galaxy with one attack ( Legion of Superheroes #121), opponents in power-armor (Legionnaires #26), a super-strong gorrila and a trio of guards, all with the equivalent of one move a piece (Legion of Superheroes #103), three mind-linked highly trained martial artists, a hyper-strong superhuman, a shape shifter and a teleporter (The Legion #22), and superhumanly strong and durable opponents, including Daxamites (Legionnaires Annual #2, Legion of Superheroes #111, Titans/Legion of Superheroes: Universe a Blaze #2-3, Legion Worlds #5).

Karate Kid is skilled in every form of combat known in the galaxy, from boxing to savate to kendo. He has also made it a point to become an expert with every weapon used in hand-to-hand combat, from fencing foils to Jovian Trident spears to Krishnu gauntlets from Gaman Tol. The Legion normally excludes heroes who use weapons, but with Val they are only a sideline. Super-karate is his specialty, and with it he has done super-human things. By building up the amount of chi (life-energy) into his body Karate Kid can increase his strength, speed, endurance and toughness (AD 367). Karate Kid has stated that if Superboy took up karate, the Boy of Steel might be able to punch through a foot-thick slab of Manganium Inertron, a he normally cannot do (AD 367). Using this force, in application with his knowledge of points of stress and weakness (AD 346), Karate Kid has:
Cracked through the hull of the Khund flagship (AD 347), stopped a runaway sport-speedster with one blow (AD 351), knocked out a Jovian Mastodon with one chop (AD 358), cracked through the powerful, six-inch Durlamite gates of the Metroplois Jail (AD 360), damaged tanks with a two-handed chop (AD 360, AD 367), kicked away an air car from the path of a falling boulder (AD 361), split a rock in two and took out an opponent with each piece (AD 361), fought a half-dozen assailants at one time (AD 358, AD 361, AD 367) and stamped the ground with both feet, shaking a whole street and knocking a dozen soldiers off their feet (AD 367).
Once when he was trapped inside a giant hollow diamond, Val located its natural flaw and used his iron will to coax his body to make one final chop which shattered the gem (AD 365).
Limitations and Weaknesses: It takes intense concentration to split a 14" slab (7 sheets) of titanium manganite, and any distraction will result in failure (AD 359). Major exertions and releases of chi will tire Val out, needing rest or sleep to build up his body energy again (AD 365/366).

-Defeated Daxamites in one-on-one combat, not once but THRICE.
-During combat with said Daxamites, he was able to hurt one of them with a straight forward kick to the face.
-Detected weaknesses in objects, to the point of being able to sense flaws and weak points on a molecular level. Using this ability in combination with his other martial abilities, he has been able to break objects that were suppose to be almost unbreakable, including a force field designed to hold the most dangerous criminals in the galaxy.
-Re-direct an object in mid-flight that was moving at near-light speeds.
-Dodge all manner of attacks, from bullets to arrows to heat vision blasts fired at superspeed.
-Has been able to tell if someone is being mind-controlled based solely on that person's body language.
-Has been able to defeat large numbers of opponents by himself, including mobs of criminals from a prison housed inside a star.
-Was able to defeat, disarm and throw to the ground someone wearing a suit of powered armor.
-Defeat Evolvo in Ape mode, then take out armed security guards in a single pannel.
-Demonstrated hearing so accute that he heard someone's heart beating over a kilometer away.
-Defeated the most dangerous assassin in the galaxy, the Empress, with one move."

Thanks for helping me narrow down my search too, DC. It's really nice of you to list out Karate Kid's feats and which comics they appear in.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=377194&highlight=karate+kid

Oh, and AD stands for "Adventure Comics", not "Anno Domini".

Here's Karate Kid handling a being of superhuman speed and strength, dodging blasts of heat vision, and dodging a speedblitz:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6089/lsh111133me.jpg

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4713/lsh111147fy.jpg

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8154/lsh111159qk.jpg

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1183/lsh111166ex.jpg

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/6688/lsh111174hj.jpg

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8301/lsh111181zf.jpg

It also displays him handling beings like Thing with ease as a little kid.

Is there a vote count? I have no idea how this match is going besides my own vote.

Here's Karate Kid saying "Ninja Please..." to the supposed greatest assassin in the universe, Empress, who thought she could get the drop on him. Karate Kid comments that his senses are so keen he could here her heart beat from a kilometer away.

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/7373/lsh121141mk.jpg

You're not getting the drop on me.

when is the last day to vote( i need to read the last 5 pages first)

Agent Zero won't be a problem...

Originally posted by illadelph12
Here's Karate Kid saying "Ninja Please..." to the supposed greatest assassin in the universe, Empress, who thought she could get the drop on him. Karate Kid comments that his senses are so keen he could here her heart beat from a [b]kilometer away.

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/7373/lsh121141mk.jpg

You're not getting the drop on me. [/B]

Vibranium nullifies the sound of Zero's heart beat, he can't pinpoint him that way.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Vibranium nullifies the sound of Zero's heart beat, he can't pinpoint him that way.

It doesn't nullify the sound of his weapons firing, him cocking the trigger of a gun, a bullet entering the chamber of his gun, bullets passing through the air, or his energy discharges. His attacks make noise, and Karate Kid is fast enough to react.

And kill.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Thanks for helping me narrow down my search too, DC. It's really nice of you to list out Karate Kid's feats and which comics they appear in.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=377194&highlight=karate+kid

I just copied and pasted them from a webpage. 😉

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I just copied and pasted them from a webpage. 😉

Well, thanks for finding the webpage. It made things a lot easier.

1 pissed off Daxamite>>>>> Thing, Karnak, Agent Zero, & Blitzkrieg combined (x2)

Originally posted by illadelph12
Thanks for helping me narrow down my search too, DC. It's really nice of you to list out Karate Kid's feats and which comics they appear in.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=377194&highlight=karate+kid

can you separate the Pre-Crisis feats on that list from the Post-Crisis feats ...... as Pre-Crisis feats for KK were banned

Originally posted by illadelph12
1 pissed off Daxamite>>>>> Thing, Karnak, Agent Zero, & Blitzkrieg combined (x2)

I'm not downplaying Karate Kid or anything, he is really awesome, but...

That pissed off Daxamite wasn't really flying with impressive speeds. KK had good time to concetrate. He also didn't use any superhuman strength to hurl him away, simply his own momentum. In the picture where he is dodging the laser blasts, he is clearly having time to concetrate. He's anticipating the attack. He sees the opponent, concetrates, and moves away before he has begun the attack. In case of Zero, he wouldn't see him. Or be anticipating the attack.

His speed doesn't show very impressive, he wasn't able to move away from the falling rocks, for example. So his reaction speed doesn't extremely impressive. Agent Zero's reaction speed is good enough to take down bullets after they have been fired (lot harder to do then just move away from the falling boulders). His flying speed wasn't anywhere close to Superman's either. And the Daxamite there seemed to cause the most damage to himself through his own actions, during the whole fight Karate Kid used his own momentum against him. That isn't something Karnak isn't capable of doing. He did similar things as a young kid:
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/3333/karnak20zl.gif
Not to say it's equal to the Daxamite feat though.

However, the Daxamite guy there didn't seem to be Superman level character. He wasn't really a wise fighter. The boulders downed (whereas they would have simply broke on Superman or bounced off). It took him much longer time to reach Karate Kid then it would have taken Superman. He didn't seem to be very skilled at firing heat blasts either. And in case of Blitzkrieg, Karate Kid would not be able to dodge the blasts in the same way he dodged his.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I'm not downplaying Karate Kid or anything, he is really awesome, but...

That pissed off Daxamite wasn't really flying with impressive speeds. KK had good time to concetrate. He also didn't use any superhuman strength to hurl him away, simply his own momentum. In the picture where he is dodging the laser blasts, he is clearly having time to concetrate. He's anticipating the attack. He sees the opponent, concetrates, and moves away before he has begun the attack. In case of Zero, he wouldn't see him. Or be anticipating the attack.

His speed doesn't show very impressive, he wasn't able to move away from the falling rocks, for example. So his reaction speed doesn't extremely impressive. Agent Zero's reaction speed is good enough to take down bullets after they have been fired (lot harder to do then just move away from the falling boulders). His flying speed wasn't anywhere close to Superman's either. And the Daxamite there seemed to cause the most damage to himself through his own actions, during the whole fight Karate Kid used his own momentum against him. That isn't something Karnak isn't capable of doing. He did similar things as a young kid:
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/3333/karnak20zl.gif
Not to say it's equal to the Daxamite feat though.

However, the Daxamite guy there didn't seem to be Superman level character. He wasn't really a wise fighter. The boulders downed (whereas they would have simply broke on Superman or bounced off). It took him much longer time to reach Karate Kid then it would have taken Superman. He didn't seem to be very skilled at firing heat blasts either. And in case of Blitzkrieg, Karate Kid would not be able to dodge the blasts in the same way he dodged his.

Um, no.

You do realize that's Mon-El he's fighting, right?

It's not some random Daxamite.

Mon El has thrown down with Superman before.

Karate Kid dodges rapid blasts of heat vision at close range with a succession of flips in a blur (displayed in the scan). Mon El's speed, strength, and durability make every member of your team look like Bucky.

Agent Zero isn't landing an attack on Karate Kid.

Mon El's speed in that scan surpasses anything a member of your team posesses, whether it's Superman level light speed or not, it's faster than anything you have, and the heat vision strikes faster than any offensive weapon your team has available on the battlefield, save Blitzkrieg's lightning, but he's up in the canopy of the forest and a non factor, and if he was on the ground he'd have almost zero visibility and be inneffective anyway.

Your team is simply outgunned, out-skilled, and outclassed.

Your team can't defeat mine.

I thought you couldn't use pre-crisis KK feats?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I thought you couldn't use pre-crisis KK feats?

I said in the draft I was using PC Karate Kid, and Dizzle approved.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I thought you couldn't use pre-crisis KK feats?

Originally posted by illadelph12
I said in the draft I was using PC Karate Kid, and Dizzle approved.

I'm sure PC KK was banned as well... as his feats were ridiculous

Originally posted by illadelph12
I said in the draft I was using PC Karate Kid, and Dizzle approved.

I could have sworm it was the opposite, but I will take your word for it.

The admins deleted the 1st Round Draft thread. I wonder if it's archived. I said I was using PC Karate Kid, and Dizzle said that there was no cap on skill and that he found it funny that after all I had been through with my choices I found a godly choice for the tournament that was within the rules.