Originally posted by illadelph12
The admins deleted the 1st Round Draft thread. I wonder if it's archived. I said I was using PC Karate Kid, and Dizzle said that there was no cap on skill and that he found it funny that after all I had been through with my choices I found a godly choice for the tournament that was within the rules.
I definitely remember it being said that you could use KK but you couldn't use PC feats for your arguments
Originally posted by illadelph12
I'm using Pre-Crisis Karate Kid. He meets all of the requirements. There is no skill limitation. Val simply maximizes what he has. If people can pick which version of Mimic they use, I can choose which version of Karate Kid I use, and either version Pre or Post crisis is within the rules stated, he's simply vastly more adept at using his abilities.
Originally posted by Dizzle
KK has some ridiculous feats pre-crisis... Deflecting near-lightspeed projectiles makes him a bit iffy for me, but he seems to have gotten general apporval, so he still remains yours, Ill.And you probably shouldn't argue about striking power. On DC's feat list for him, when he shattered a mystic gem thingy, there was a little bit left out. Before he shattered it, Superboy (PRE CRISIS Superboy, meaning tossing planets around and such) had taken a full swing at it, to no avail. KK can pretty much put down ANYONE with a single strike, but it is again due to skill, not a superpower. (though Superboy level durability seemed to also stop him... KK demonstrated his skills using Superboy as a dummy, because he couldn't do any real damage to him) Val is a disgustingly good pick, and still remains within the limits.
Originally posted by Dizzle
No. Ultra Boy's disgustingly strong. Karate Kid does everything through skill, which is a cheap excuse to circumvent the limitations of many of the caps. (easy KO's through physical force, for example)I just think it's funny because Ill found a quite godly pick that's LEGAL!
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Originally posted by illadelph12
Um, no.You do realize that's [b]Mon-El
he's fighting, right?It's not some random Daxamite.
Mon El has thrown down with Superman before.
Karate Kid dodges rapid blasts of heat vision at close range with a succession of flips in a blur (displayed in the scan). Mon El's speed, strength, and durability make every member of your team look like Bucky.
Agent Zero isn't landing an attack on Karate Kid.
Mon El's speed in that scan surpasses anything a member of your team posesses, whether it's Superman level light speed or not, it's faster than anything you have, and the heat vision strikes faster than any offensive weapon your team has available on the battlefield, save Blitzkrieg's lightning, but he's up in the canopy of the forest and a non factor, and if he was on the ground he'd have almost zero visibility and be inneffective anyway.
Your team is simply outgunned, out-skilled, outclassed.
Your team can't defeat mine. [/B]
He certainly doesn't show to be anywhere close to Superman level there. Is he mind-controlled or something? He doesn't seem to be acting very calmly there.
The strength and durability don't also matter. Because Karate Kid never hurt him with his own blows. Mon-El did all the damage to himself. Karate Kid used his own momentum at his advantage, what would have happened is Mon-El had used widespread heat vision, or simply punched him. Instead of rushing at him like a idiot. The same techniques that he used at Mon-El won't apply at fight against my team. He can defeat Thing, I know that.
But, if he goes against Blitzkrieg, he will be downed by the lightning in a second. In fact, my orginal plan works well in situation like this. Blitzkrieg can stay in one position in a tree, and Thing can do what he was meant to do in my first plan, draw the attention of the enemy at himself. Blitzkrieg will put an energy shield around himself, so if Karate Kid tries to rush at him, he will get electrocuted.
I'm not even sure if he could find a weak point from the energy shields that Blitzkrieg generates, since it's energy (and to dissipate the shield, which is energy, he would need to touch it, which would get him instantly electrocuted). I could have Agent Zero to be on guard on some of the trees, and if Monolith would be near (shouldn't be really hard to notice a 30-feet granite giant) he would shoot him down with adamantium bullets. I could have Blitzkrieg generate a shield around him too, in case if Karate Kid decides to fly up to trees and eliminate Zero after he has shot down Monolith.
Here is practically my orginal plan with few modifications:
A) Thing would stay in ground, and make as much noise as possible.
B) One of your team would need to take him out. Monolith can't blast him with his heat, since he has taken the full heat from Dragon Man with ease: http://img308.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thingshehulk01315de.jpg)
Concussive blasts wouldn't do much to his durability. Monolith wouldn't have much time to act in any way before Agent Zero would shoot him down.
C) If Karate Kid or Gamora will try to take out Blitzkrieg, they will be either fryed if they touch his shields even the slightest. They don't have high-power weapons enough to bust through the physical shields. Monolith has, but Agent Zero is quick enough to take him out before he starts to do any real damage.
D) Karate Kid and Gamora are your only chance of killing the Thing. However, their attacks are physical, and they need to be close to Thing to do any damage.
E) What about Vertigo, then? Both Agent Zero and Blitzkrieg are up in the trees, 100 feet in the air. With all the sound Thing is making (smashing on the ground, thunderclaps, stuff like that) it would really mess up the hearing of your guys.
Thunderclaps are lethal to guys with heightened senses...Karate Kid would probably pass out if he came anywhere near Thing. Wolverine nearly passed out from the moderate thunderclap Grey Hulk made, and Grey Hulk is much weaker then Thing. The sound Thing would make would mess up your guys hearing so bad that they wouldn't be able to pinpoint Blitzkrieg from the trees. Zero wouldn't be able to be picked up either. They would be from the safe distance from teh thunderclaps. The force of thunderclaps would probably mess up Vertigo so bad that her attacks would be rendered ineffective. So Thing wouldn't be felled from those, especially with his already better-then-normal resistance against attacks that attack his senses.
F) Monolith would have been downed by Agent Zero's adamantium bullets. Vertigo would probably have died a long ago because of her normal human durability and Thing's thunderclaps. And unless Karate Kid already doesn't have his ears bleeding, he and Gamora need to take out the Thing who has suddenly turned to be the biggest threat because of his thunderclap attacks. So, while they would move towards the Thing, Blitzkrieg would see them.
ZAP. Your team is down.
Originally posted by illadelph12
I already said before in the thread that KK flies Vertigo behind your position to catch your team in a cross fire. As I said, I'm proceding with my plan. That was in my plan.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He is flying around, and dropping on tree once for while to not have a long lightning bridge.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Who is flying where...? Right now all three are choking on thick black smoke in my mind...
I have KK flying around behind his position in the woods with Vertigo.
DC has Blitzkrieg flying up above the trees to wait for KK and Vertigo to come up for air and set trees on fire.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He certainly doesn't show to be anywhere close to Superman level there. Is he mind-controlled or something? He doesn't seem to be acting very calmly there.The strength and durability don't also matter. Because Karate Kid never hurt him with his own blows. Mon-El did all the damage to himself. Karate Kid used his own momentum at his advantage, what would have happened is Mon-El had used widespread heat vision, or simply punched him. Instead of rushing at him like a idiot. The same techniques that he used at Mon-El won't apply at fight against my team. He can defeat Thing, I know that.
But, if he goes against Blitzkrieg, he will be downed by the lightning in a second. In fact, my orginal plan works well in situation like this. Blitzkrieg can stay in one position in a tree, and Thing can do what he was meant to do in my first plan, draw the attention of the enemy at himself. Blitzkrieg will put an energy shield around himself, so if Karate Kid tries to rush at him, he will get electrocuted.
I'm not even sure if he could find a weak point from the energy shields that Blitzkrieg generates, since it's energy (and to dissipate the shield, which is energy, he would need to touch it, which would get him instantly electrocuted). I could have Agent Zero to be on guard on some of the trees, and if Monolith would be near (shouldn't be really hard to notice a 30-feet granite giant) he would shoot him down with adamantium bullets. I could have Blitzkrieg generate a shield around him too, in case if Karate Kid decides to fly up to trees and eliminate Zero after he has shot down Monolith.
Here is practically my orginal plan with few modifications:
A) Thing would stay in ground, and make as much noise as possible.
B) One of your team would need to take him out. Monolith can't blast him with his heat, since he has taken the full heat from Dragon Man with ease: http://img308.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thingshehulk01315de.jpg)
Concussive blasts wouldn't do much to his durability. Monolith wouldn't have much time to act in any way before Agent Zero would shoot him down.
C) If Karate Kid or Gamora will try to take out Blitzkrieg, they will be either fryed if they touch his shields even the slightest. They don't have high-power weapons enough to bust through the physical shields. Monolith has, but Agent Zero is quick enough to take him out before he starts to do any real damage.
D) Karate Kid and Gamora are your only chance of killing the Thing. However, their attacks are physical, and they need to be close to Thing to do any damage.
E) What about Vertigo, then? Both Agent Zero and Blitzkrieg are up in the trees, 100 feet in the air. With all the sound Thing is making (smashing on the ground, thunderclaps, stuff like that) it would really mess up the hearing of your guys.Thunderclaps are lethal to guys with heightened senses...Karate Kid would probably pass out if he came anywhere near Thing. Wolverine nearly passed out from the moderate thunderclap Grey Hulk made, and Grey Hulk is much weaker then Thing. The sound Thing would make would mess up your guys hearing so bad that they wouldn't be able to pinpoint Blitzkrieg from the trees. Zero wouldn't be able to be picked up either. They would be from the safe distance from teh thunderclaps. The force of thunderclaps would probably mess up Vertigo so bad that her attacks would be rendered ineffective. So Thing wouldn't be felled from those, especially with his already better-then-normal resistance against attacks that attack his senses.
F) Monolith would have been downed by Agent Zero's adamantium bullets. Vertigo would probably have died a long ago because of her normal human durability and Thing's thunderclaps. And unless Karate Kid already doesn't have his ears bleeding, he and Gamora need to take out the Thing who has suddenly turned to be the biggest threat because of his thunderclap attacks. So, while they would move towards the Thing, Blitzkrieg would see them.
ZAP. Your team is down.
Empty conjecture.
Mon-El tried to kill KK and couldn't, using speedblitz, heat vision, etc. The fact of the matter is that that is more than your team brings to the table, and KK handled it with ease.
I'm not worried about Thing. His thunderclaps would take out Blitzkrieg and Karnak as well. Friendly fire isn't good. 🙁 Also, visibility is low and Thing isn't the most agile or perceptive of people. He doesn't have super senses. KK could move in an down him before he knew he was there in the smoke.
Blitzkrieg is 100+ feet in the air above the trees. He's not a threat. I already stated that I'm keeping my team in the smoke and tree cover. If Agent Zero is up there with him, he's not going to have good visibility, as he's high up looking town into the shade of 100+ foot tall trees, smoke, and fire.
Once Thing and Karnak are down (since you left them in a 4-2 scenario on the ground). It will eventually be Monolith, Gamora and KK vs Blitz and Agent Zero in low visibility, and the tree Agent Zero is in will eventually burn down.
I like my odds.
Gamora has guns too. Blasters from Thanos's military, actually.
Vertigo is expendable. A Casualty of War.
A forest is a very large place, and Blitzkrieg doesn't have superhuman visioin, so KK will have plenty of area to find a spot to come up for a breath of fresh air considering how fast he is.
You're team is outclassed.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
...and the forest is still on fire...?How do they all breathe and avoid the fire/heat?
Monolith sets our flank on fire as the other's advance. Visibility will be extremely low as the smoke moves through, which favors my team, as I have 2 fighters that don't rely on visibility. Thing, A-Z, and Blitzkrieg have to see to fight.
It's difficult to set just a portion of a forest on fire, (depending upon conditions) the fire will spread rapidly and would have to to create enough smoke to obscure visibility as much as is implied. If there is billowing thick black smoke pouring from the trees (as occurs in the above images) I can't entirely see Karate Kid just sitting pretty in the smoke and periodically emerging (where?) to breathe.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Empty conjecture.Mon-El tried to kill KK and couldn't, using speedblitz, heat vision, etc. The fact of the matter is that is more than your team brings to the table, and KK handlesd it with ease.
Because A beats B, A will automatically beat C, huh? Not the case.
Originally posted by illadelph12
I'm not worried about Thing. His thunderclaps would take out Blitzkrieg and Karnak as well. Friendly fire isn't good. 🙁 Also, visibility is low and Thing isn't the most agile or perceptive of people. He doesn't have super senses. KK could move in an down him before he knew he was there in the smoke.
Like I said...they would be from the safe distance from thunderclaps. Karnak wouldn't even be at the area, I won't need him. And, as Thing will begin the thunderclapping as soon as he is in position, Karate Kid won't get close to him. One thunderclap, and Karate Kid is in ground with his ears bleeding. Another, and he will probably pass out. Karate Kid has no way of taking out Thing.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Blitzkrieg is 100+ feet in the air above the trees. He's not a threat. I already stated that I'm keeping my team in the smoke and tree cover. If Agent Zero is up there with him, he's not going to have good visibility, as he's high up looking town into the shade of 100+ foot tall trees, smoke, and fire.
Which the thunderclaps will essentially clear down. Mortal Hercules has once made a thunderclap that cleared entire tornado away. Thing is not as strong as he is, but his thunderclaps will be more then enough. Agent Zero will have a good visibility.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Once Thing and Karnak are down (since you left them in a 4-2 scenario on the ground). It will eventually be Monolith, Gamora and KK vs Blitz and Agent Zero in low visibility, and the tree Agent Zero is in will eventually burn down.
Who takes Thing down? Karate Kid? Not going to happen. Gamora? Same restrictions apply to her. Monolith? He can't hurt Thing.
Originally posted by illadelph12
I like my odds.Gamora has guns too. Blasters from Thanos's military, actually.
Vertigo is expendable. A Casualty of War.
A forest is a very large place, and Blitzkrieg doesn't have superhuman visioin, so KK will have plenty of area to find a spot to come up for a breath of fresh air considering how fast he is.
You're team is outclassed.
Gamora's guns won't probably even scratch Thing. Vertigo dies within seconds. Monolith can't harm Thing much and doesn't know where any of my team members are. Neither Karate Kid or Gamora can take down Blitzkrieg with Thing's thunderclaps messing up their senses.
You also seem to think that Blitzkrieg is blind. He isn't. Thing is standing on a clear area with all the trees busted down and smoke cleared. He can see Karate Kid (If thunderclaps haven't killed him already) and Gamora if they try to approach Thing. He doesn't have to worry about Monolith, because Agent Zero takes care of him (with his scope, he has even greater visibility, and can stay even further away from thunderclaps).
Your team has no chance of taking thunderclapping Thing down. Agent Zero has exellent chances of taking Monolith down. Thing is practically guanteered of taking KK (with his heightened senses) down. Gamora can be taken down by Blitzkrieg. And my team doesn't even have to worry about Vertigo.
Your team dies.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's difficult to set just a portion of a forest on fire, (depending upon conditions) the fire will spread rapidly and would have to to create enough smoke to obscure visibility as much as is implied. If there is billowing thick black smoke pouring from the trees (as occurs in the above images) I can't entirely see Karate Kid just sitting pretty in the smoke and periodically emerging (where?) to breathe.
Since he also needs to come to clear air to breathe, he will be a living target in the sky for Blitzkrieg.
So Thing's out in the open waiting for someone to step up?
Fine.
Vertigo downs him with her powers, because he's out in the open like a jackass.
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1196/hrpage103am.jpg
Ben's unconscious.
Thunderclap's cease.
Vertigo served her purpose.
Smoke continues to fill the area.
Vertigo has advanced with Karate Kid, she's not at the origin of the fires. If Thing is standing alone in a clearing with no smoke, he's a sitting duck for her.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Since he also needs to come to clear air to breathe, he will be a living target in the sky for Blitzkrieg.
No he won't.
A forest is a very large area, and there's smoke everywhere. Blitzkrieg can't see every position of the forest from a stationary position with smoke rising from the trees, he's not omnipresent, and Karate Kid flies faster than Blitz can react, he doesn't have superhuman reflexes. He has to see KK to do anything, and from his vantage point (up in the canopy of the forest) that's not happening.
Originally posted by illadelph12
The admins deleted the 1st Round Draft thread. I wonder if it's archived. I said I was using PC Karate Kid, and Dizzle said that there was no cap on skill and that he found it funny that after all I had been through with my choices I found a godly choice for the tournament that was within the rules.
I doubt it was deleted (we normally reserve deletion for very offensive or pointless threads) but it may have just been closed. It should still be archived for the search (and probably isn't any more than 5-6 pages back anyway.)
Originally posted by DigiMark007
I doubt it was deleted (we normally reserve deletion for very offensive or pointless threads) but it may have just been closed. It should still be archived for the search (and probably isn't any more than 5-6 pages back anyway.)
I found it. I searched under "1st Round" instead of "First Round". I already posted the quotes.
Originally posted by illadelph12
So Thing's out in the open waiting for someone to step up?Fine.
Vertigo downs him with her powers, because he's out in the open like a jackass.
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1196/hrpage103am.jpg
Ben's unconscious.
Thunderclap's cease.
Vertigo served her purpose.
Smoke continues to fill the area.
Vertigo has advanced with Karate Kid, she's not at the origin of the fires. If Thing is standing alone in a clearing with no smoke, he's a sitting duck for her.
I believe, since Thing is thunderclapping, the greater mass of vibrated air will dissipate the sonic pulse. Thing also has resistance against that type of attacks.
"The Thing's five senses can withstand greater amounts of sensory stimuli than he could when he was a normal human being, with no reduced sensitivity."
Thing has also extreme concetration and willpower (was still able to fight Champion even though he was beaten up, for example). If X-Men who have faced her one time can render the effect useless, it really shouldn't be that difficult for someone with Thing's durability and concetration to resist it.
It will take Vertigo many seconds to down Thing (seriously, when has she ever downed anyone who wasn't weakened and distracted to the start?), and two of my guarding team members would kill her. And even if she would down Thing, Agent Zero or Blitzkrieg could effortlessly shoot her down, and after that, the effects would be removed immediatly:
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/1755/vertigo38fz.gif
Vertigo would also need to come close to the seeing radius of Thing, and she (and especially KK with his hearing) would be downed by the thunderclaps.
