GalacticStorm
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Originally posted by id369
His opponent, is a character that can detect a stray antagonist thought across a planet. His powers work similar to your eye lid, as if it is a direct part of your body. It detects danger, it will try to protect itself.
His powers operate at the speed of thought. They respond to the very human reactions of Nate Grey. Human reactions could be bypassed by something moving a few thousand miles per hour. Surfer can move at speeds far greater. When you couple in the fact that his reaction time is exponentially greater, then Nate wouldn't even register his attack before he's dead.
There is no prep time in this battle.
Originally posted by id369
The AoA reference comes, from the reason he was created. He was created to harness the power that AoA Jean had. Jean at that time was the host of the Phoenix, apparently Sinister succeeded, since his power matches that of 616 Phoenix.
He was created in the hope that Jeans amazing genetic potential could result in offspring with similarly amazing abilities. He was not created to harness Jeans power.
In Uncanny x-men tests were done on Phoenix. It was stated that she had psychic circuit breakers and that her power was increasing along a geometric curve with no end in sight. Unless you're trying to claim that Nates powers were also unlimited, (Not Hulk unlimited. Not Magneto unlimited. Cosmic unlimited. ) then this means there is no static model of Phoenix for Nate to have been matched up to at the time.
Therefore, for all we know, he was just been matched up to the Thor level of Phoenix which she operated at whilst on the team.
Given that you do not know conclusively what point along this geometric curve Nate was being compared to, you cannot suggest that he is a being on par with the Phoenix in general.
He doesn't have the feats to warrant that opinion, not before teh comment was made, or after, therefore it is irrelevant to this versus match.
Originally posted by id369
Unless I read, this is Phoenix operating at Thor Level, I am going to have to dismiss this comment. Since standards are regarded at the time the comic is written. As for the power fluctuation between the Phoenix, I can only determine that the Force does not go up and down. But most likely depends on the host and how it is harnessed.
Not necessarily. Because at the time, Phoenix 1 was very much the Phoenix Force in Jean Greys form and due to the limitations of a physical form its powers did fluctuate anywhere from Thor level to beyond Galactus level.
Nate Grey has never demonstrated anywhere near the top showings of the Phoenix, therefore its reasonable to assume that the comments were meant to portray Nate as a very powerful mutant and nothing else.
You have taken the comments too literally. Given that he hasn't the showings to back them up, the comments mean nothing here, only on panel feats dictate the outcome of this battle.
Originally posted by id369
True, he was targeted for those reasons being the last remains of energy disorder. But M’Kraan Guardians comment that he needs to be tested, to ensure the safety or stability because of the power the whelp carries.
They stated that he was just the last being of many that they had come after. With that in mind, its possible that he wouldnt have been the only one tested. You do not know whether this test was exclusive to Nate and given their comments its likely it was not. Therefore this is a moot point.
Originally posted by id369
Nate would never willfully destroy the Moon. Yet when a simulation was made, it showed that he is well within reason to Psi augment his strength and take it down with one blow. And I will be off an a limb and say that Shaman can muster up Psi blasts that shatter the Surfers board just like Cable did.Are those enough indications to show that, X-Man can accesses enough power to compete in the Herald Class?
I remember seeing this simulation on panel. I just cant remember if it was a dream, or it took place on the astral plane or whatever. Either way, the keyword is simulation. When Nate actually does something on a similar scale within actuality, then we have a feat worth talking about.
Cable shatterred Surfers board, so yes it is likely Nate could. Surfer also remade it like it was no trouble at all. How is this going to help Nate in this versus match?
Originally posted by id369
His top feats are what?
Telepathy - he interconnected a broken psyche across the multiverse on the fly.
TK - Crushed a city with a thumbs down, potentially moon shattering blows.
Psy - pick a part your vary essence, and scatter it across the globe in every living cell.Are those top tier feats, or are more needed? If not, then where is he ranked?
The first feat is impressive. What issue did this occur in?
Either way given the speed of thought his telepathy wouldnt get a chance to come into play.
The second feat, crushing a city, could be achieved by Magneto, Polaris, Exodus, a number of mutants who would get stomped by Surfer.
"potentially moon shattering blows" Where did you get that from? If this is related to that simulation you saw and not posted by you as a result of on panel feat then it doesnt really mean anything.
Surfer has connected with life on a global scale before. The fact that Nate distributed his essence in doing so has no relevance.
Originally posted by id369
The Surfer that I read in the “Burnt offering arc”, was a Surfer that was defiantly not in character. Maybe not all out blood lusted I will agree to that, but defiantly not the Surfer I have read for the past years. He didn’t respond, or acknowledged Mr. Fantastic S.O.S call, when this is a character that can multitask and communicate across the cosmos. He gave no forth warning to his actions, nor did he want to sit down and talk like Cable asked, when normally he plays an extreme pacifist role. And significant effort was being place in his actions, both character where spitting out energy that vaporize the vicinity.
Surfers standard emotional state has no relevance here when its the conditions of the forums that he be bloodlusted and wanting to kill his opponent in any way he can. Spped blitz, Nates dead.
Significant effort. Why? Because BOTH characters energy output threatened the immediate vicinity? 😬
Come on Id.
Significant effort from the Surfer is enough to annihilate a space armada or blow up half the globe at least.
Surfer just went in there, cool, calm collected and took out Cable without much effort.
Originally posted by id369
The match ended, when Cable had no more to give. Unless your telling me, that in every issue or every arc, when ever Surfer faces down an opponent. He goes beyond “c” for a speed blitz. I am going to have to neglect that the match ends quickly. And say even if he did go beyond “c”, you still have the fact that Shaman is vary precautions and would most likely put up a force field when he engages a match.
You cant neglect the fact that it ends quickly because its within Surfers abilities to do. Therefore we can hypotesize that he fights like that. Given that this bloodlust state of mind that the forum dictates is not his character then hypotesize we must.
What precautions are you talking about? There is no prep time allowed. He cant enter the match with shields up. The match starts and then if he wishes to shield himsel fhe can. By the time he's thought to do that and his power responds to his human reactions, he's dead.
