Originally posted by GODOFALL1
This is for DVAMPIRE. You're a FU#@ING idiot. You don't know what you're talking about. You are ignorant. Do you even watch DBZ? You're lost buddy. I think even comparing Superman and Goku is blasphemous. You look soooooo stupid with the replies you have in this thread. Just stop dude. Goku in every way is better than Superman. And Buu was an entity of evil. Buu had no martial arts? Are you crazy? You've got to be the stupidest person in the world. I bet you've never even watched DBZ... You're a moron. YOU WANT PROOF? YOU WATCH DBZ FROM START TO FINISH, AND IF YOU WANT TO REALLY BLOW YOUR MIND.....YOU WATCH DBGT. These warriors are 1000 times stronger than "the man of steel" Superman was killed by Doomsday and Goku would wipe his ass with Doomsday.
DVAMPIRE<------RETARD
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Originally posted by GODOFALL1
And another thing.....I said this before and ill say it again. There are only three types of people that would think Superman would beat Goku. 1. AN IDIOT
2. A REALLY DUMB IDIOT
3. A REALLY REALLY DUMB IDIOT.
Most all of you fall in the number 3 category.........fu#@ing DORKS!
This post really shows how immature you really are, these insults of yours aren't really called for. 😕
What evidence? Instant Transmission, no weaknesses(kryptonite) martial arts, training and fighting his whole life. When Goku was 8 he was saving the world. And POWER. Goku doesn't NEED the sun. He has no weaknesses. Does Superman have weaknesses? Oh yea, he does. Can superman destroy a planet? I don't think so. Could he destroy an entire solar system(Buu) I don't think so. You need to educate yourself man...thats all. Just watch DBZ and GT. It's soooooooooooooooooooooooo much cooler than Superman too. Its awesome bro.
Originally posted by olympian
Femi, ive actually been putting some though on it. Regarding your question here:"Tell me Oly, do you believe Goku would be able to take Superman's Heat Vision?"
Full? No. He doesnt need either, he always zaps around avoiding high blasts as part of his figthing skills. If he couldnt do that at all, Superman would have one great advantage. Id say that right away."
Now..
My first instinct was to say no. But how powerful would a usual HV blast be? Thor waved thro it, and even he was weakned. Its hotter than the sun, correct?
The DB guys have stuff that add to that makes me wonder. Goku as a kid, was together with Picollo Daimao (the father) in the center of the blast that destroyed the city they wer figthing.
Nappa when arriving Earth, with a flick of his fingers zapped the city they wer in and both him and Vejita wer in the very eye of the explosion. One that was seen miles away.
They wer unschatched.
Picollo waved destruction thro the island where he faced C-17. He was also caught iirc.
Since Vegeta on Earth, they have gone against earth busting blasts, and managing to counter those with theyr own.
So asking here. How high you view the durability of the DB guys? Lower than Earth destroying blast id say, considering they just dont stand there and take it at that level, but how much.
Considering Superman power wise isent a planet destroying type (until they get in back to pc levels) how -destructive- can a HV blast of him be? -Regular- wise.
And how sucesseful would they be able to counter with theyr own blasts.
I don't know if the heat vision Superman threw at Thor was hotter than the sun. I don't think he would kill Thor with it unless he went out of character (ala Juggernaut and She-Hulk). I can tell you that recently it was stated to be beyond scientific measurement, and he wasn't even trying. He burned a magical axe that cannot be burned by the fires of Hades. He recently incinerated an army of Doomsday clones with a full powered blast that made him dizzy. He can also use it as a concussive force, which will help him block ki blasts.
Regarding DBZ durability, I would say they are between Superman and Wonder Woman in some aspects. DBZ people are above WW when it comes to bullets, but are still victims of sharp objects like WW. In terms of physical beat downs, they are below WW. Dvampire just posted Cell, Jrs. beating up the whole Z-senshi with physical attacks. I don't think any of them can crack the moon in half with a punch, punch someone from the sun to the earth, or punch someone straight threw the planet.
If they needed to counter heat vision, I guess they would put up a ki shield, but I don't know if they can keep that up forever. Vegito punched threw Super Buu's shield.
By the way, lets keep this between Goku and Superman. Please leave Thor out of it. There's a thread for that.
"The rest of us can clearly see Supes is stronger."
Its done yes. You have nothing left but dodging the question. Carry on. I had my fun.
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For DV. You dont have pure strenght feats there other than lifting boulders and cars.
Dragonball operates on another kind of strenght comparation. The combat feats. Thanos has -not- a single lifting feat on its own. How we know then, that he is above the top tier?
Because he smakes those around, easily. We know the level of top tier. Theyr strenght. They get smacked. That means whoever beats them its higher. The same its happening with Supergirl. What pure lifting feat on Superman level does she have? Exactly.
Is she uber? Surely. Considering the guys she beat. And we know Superman its higher. Why? because while he never made a competition with her to see who was the strongest of the two, he was recently stated as such.
These manga guys, bring mountains or part of mountains down, while figthing the opponents. When they wer kids, they could bust rocks and walls. (Yamucha wolf hurricane move its pure physical and with his punch he trew Goku thro several rock formations, for example). They open craters in the ground with physical battles, not only power ones.
Finally, this obessesion about strenght levels wont go anywhere, considering they dont even need to trow a punch to blast the planet to Kingdom Come. And they can counter Supes HV with theyr own blasts. Theyr powerful for that and more. But ill wait what Femi thinks about those questions i asked. Im curious.
Femi i just noticed you posted. Heres my reply:
"I don't know if the heat vision Superman threw at Thor was hotter than the sun. I don't think he would kill Thor with it unless he went out of character (ala Juggernaut and She-Hulk). I can tell you that recently it was stated to be beyond scientific measurement, and he wasn't even trying."
This is what makes it so curious. A relaxed, non trying Superman HV was stated to be above any scientific measure. Wich it has to mean Thor was blasted with a powerful HV. Theres no other way to look at things. Superman was pissed. They wer going all out (not meaning using all theyr abilities, because as we saw they didnt) but of the -ones we saw-, they wer doing theyr best.
Both Universes wer at stake. As much as they knew at that point it was all or nothing. No way they wer holding back. The very fact Superman could even barely stand after figthing one opponent makes it clear. If it was stated it was hotter than the sun, Thor sure took a blast of that power. Regarding durability, id agree. Except the sharp objects part, Goku was attacked by a huge guy with an axe when a kid, and the axe shatered against him iirc. First Volume.
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"If they needed to counter heat vision, I guess they would put up a ki shield, but I don't know if they can keep that up forever. Vegito punched threw Super Buu's shield."
Or they can just use a blast attack. The manga shows and shows them -countering- enemy blasts powerful enough to destroy cities, to planets and even more. Like the last attack by Cell. Or the ones before.
Wich brings to: How destructive is the HV? Not in heat, but in concussive force. He could heat the Earth. Could supossely burn it. But destroy it with impact? Thats something else.
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By the way, lets keep this between Goku and Superman. Please leave Thor out of it. There's a thread for that.
Agreed. I shouldnt need to have to explain something that came out in print.
I think the axe attack happened in the anime when he was against Oolong. Goku did block Trunks sword, so I would say it depends on their power level. Krillin's destructo disc broke on Cell's neck.
Originally posted by dvampire
Superman is greater than Goku in both, flight and fighting/reflexive speeds and uses his speed in all types of ways, not just in fighting. Superman has a thousands years of battle experince, that out beats Goku's whole life time of training and was trained by DC's best, not to mention he's always fighting in battle. IT is just a teleport, not his actual speed, that technique won't be much help in a fight against someone who's going to be attacking.Goku in the Buu saga had to go ssj to lift 40 tons (which is nothing to Superman) and struggled to push a moutain apart in ssj2 (which was his highest strength feat btw); Goku's punches won't be enough to stop Superman, especially since he's been hit by far stronger beings (some couldn't even move him when they hit him). And it was never stated that the planet had 10x gravity either.
Superman's Heat Vision is hotter than stars (which is overkill if used on ssj3 Goku) and he used it to reheat Earth too; and his ice Breath froze an entire planets brain (he can also shoot his Ice Breath out like an Ice Beam). Kid Buu destroyed Earth by charging up his blast (and the blast was very slow btw), not with a simple "KI" blast. Superman could KO ssj3 Goku with a punch, melt him Heat Vision (which Goku won't be able to block and Superman could easily just stand over him while Goku fries in it), Superman could fry ssj3 Goku's brain, Freeze Goku and then use the methods I just written, or suck all of the air out of ssj3 Goku; and that's not even thinking about bringing the fight to space where Goku can't breath either.
Superman wins!
Supes has this, unless he forgets how to use his abilities!
"I think the axe attack happened in the anime when he was against Oolong. Goku did block Trunks sword, so I would say it depends on their power level"
I was talking about this one:
"Krillin's destructo disc broke on Cell's neck"
Filler. In the manga he only attacked with his fists.
How about examples to this one question:
"Wich brings to: How destructive is the HV? Not in heat, but in concussive force. He could heat the Earth. Could supossely burn it. But destroy it with impact? Thats something else."
Got any?
Originally posted by olympian
"The rest of us can clearly see Supes is stronger."Its done yes. You have nothing left but dodging the question. Carry on. I had my fun.
The burden of proof is on you, you still haven't shown anything on Gokus behalf that shows he's on Supes level.
Keep trying your bad attempts at humor to avoid your situation.
