Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

and here is cap catching a torpedo while its flying, now as we know torpedo weight between a ton and 2 tons which means only holding it up was at the very least a ton lifting feat, however it doesnt end only there, he was able to catch it and stop its flying which means its the weight of the torpedo plus its velocity and momentum and speed , try to lift a 50 lbs weight no problem right? now try to catch it while its flying at mach speed Lol

watch it here for some reason i cant copy that
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatmanvsWolverine/news/?a=48191

Originally posted by namorsubby
Slade made both wonder womans bleed and fall backwards with hits, and owned lex in his battle suit that he fights the jla with, try again. 🙄

Captain America has punched out the Hulk, and melee'd Iron Man. 😱

and why wont we bring casual chain ripping, as you can see cap doing it with no effort at all like those chains are nothing but straws

http://s278.photobucket.com/albums/kk109/DRDOOMSDAY-360/marvel%20universe/Captain%20America/?action=view&current=StrengthFeatsCapRipstheseChainsthat.jpg&mediafilter=images

captain america actually tossed hulk who weights 3 times the weight of a gorilla 😆

Funny thing is this:

The Cap side, a number of pages ago, wasn't even arguing that Cap was actually stronger than Slade, but rather that stats were a wash and that Cap's obvious skill advantage would net him the victory.

Namorsubby responds by saying he knows all of Cap's strength feats and they can't possibly compare to Slade's, but refuses to back this up when asked. He insists that someone provide feats of Cap first, saying he can beat each feat for feat. Cap feats are named, he does nothing, so Cap feats are provided via link, and he does nothing.

Then he looks like an idiot when it turns out that their strength feats are rather comparable after all - and that's a best case scenario for Slade.

Jesus f*cking christ, troll harder.

Originally posted by red sabre
and here is another strength feat which you wont be able to top of course , in this scan we see cap draging a truck, this kind of truck weights more than 15 tons, anyone who knows anything about trucks will easily back me up on this, this truck was full with suply for children, but thats not all because it was across the entire desert which means in the sand, imagine cap draging more than 15 tons on sand you know what that means? i will give you a hand that means with each step he made his foot sank into the sand and the wheels of the truck werent in his advantage because the wheels also sank into the sand which means he had to drag more weight than 15 tons by a lot because it was also against the resistance of the sand that sank the truck, enjoy trying to top this

Oh yeah the axel had broken as well.

Originally posted by Existere
Funny thing is this:

The Cap side, a number of pages ago, wasn't even arguing that Cap was actually stronger than Slade, but rather that stats were a wash and that Cap's obvious skill advantage would net him the victory.

Namorsubby responds by saying he knows all of Cap's strength feats and they can't possibly compare to Slade's, but refuses to back this up when asked. He insists that someone provide feats of Cap first, saying he can beat each feat for feat. Cap feats are named, he does nothing, so Cap feats are provided via link, and he does nothing.

Then he looks like an idiot when it turns out that their strength feats are rather comparable after all - and that's a best case scenario for Slade.

Jesus f*cking christ, troll harder.

I personally have no trouble giving Slade the benefit of doubt and saying that he is Captain America's physical equal, but make no mistake that is me being charitable. Frankly, Slade doesn't have the feats to support the notion that he is physically on par with Captain America, but he does have narrative statements that say he has are various 10x human strength (yada yada yada), so even though he never showcases it I'm willing to place him at class 2 and on par with Captain America. But when someone wants to make the absurd case that Slade is above Captain America I resend my charity and make it a feat war, and anyone know with a marginal familiarity with the two characters knows that is a war Slade can't win.

Lol, yeah right. Cap would do even worse than bruce did against slade in their first fight.

Let cap try to fight titans that includes wonder woman, conner kent, or anyone near that level and watched him get wtf pounded in 2 seconds.lol

Hell, cass would give cap fits herself. Much less in a group of metas.

Batman 6/7 of 10. He's physically comparable, smarter, more skilled, and a dirty fighter.

Originally posted by red sabre
and here is another strength feat which you wont be able to top of course , in this scan we see cap draging a truck, this kind of truck weights more than 15 tons, anyone who knows anything about trucks will easily back me up on this, this truck was full with suply for children, but thats not all because it was across the entire desert which means in the sand, imagine cap draging more than 15 tons on sand you know what that means? i will give you a hand that means with each step he made his foot sank into the sand and the wheels of the truck werent in his advantage because the wheels also sank into the sand which means he had to drag more weight than 15 tons by a lot because it was also against the resistance of the sand that sank the truck, enjoy trying to top this

Your deluded. Tell me what kind of truck that is and why the hell it weighs 30,000 lbs. Let me guess, thats the average weight of a "supply truck"? Youre a loon. Btw, people pull semis, some have done it with their junk.lol

Originally posted by red sabre
well i knew you are going to be a sore loser and i knew you wont be able to take it like a man and will start twisting feats and lying like most people here but ok i was ready for it

that door was small and as i explained already most airplane doors are made out of aluminium thats a pathetic feat, captain america ripped out a huge reinforcement door that was securing a huge bonker, you can clearly see how insanely thick and huge that door was, it was meant to defend the bonker and cap did it while being greatly injured and losing many blood, that feat alone is >>>>> your airplane tiny door feat and that door kicking feat.

the door slade kicked was just an averege door only made out of steel thats not a feat at all, cap tearing out that huge bonker door while injured and cap ripping out a robot arm is >>>> any of the feats you presented

and of course if anything its more a striking feat than a strength feat, any MA in comics universe can kick in a steel door shang chi was able to do it countless times i guess he is super human as well?

more of a strength feat is captain america lifting a huge log of tree which weighted at least 2 tons, pick up a huge chunk opf concrete which at least weighted half a ton and threw it to the top of the building, tearing off the ground a huge statue and support its weight with his back, physically closing the silo doors which only takes a single look to realise several good tons were involved in that feat

and against all those showings you show me slade throw a gorilla which at the max could weight 600 lbs, tear an aluminium door of an airplane, and being able to kick a steel door which any MA guy in comics history can do? you sir are either a troll or not very smart person to say the least

Lol you upped the tree feat from 800 to 2 tons after you saw the tomb feat. your even more of a crackpot for that, seeing as theres no way in hell you can kno what the weight of that tree is, or that concrete block.

you are so ignorant you fail to realize how impressive opening a plane door from the outside is. The pressure is immense. But you wouldn't know that.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Lol you upped the tree feat from 800 to 2 tons after you saw the tomb feat. your even more of a crackpot for that, seeing as theres no way in hell you can kno what the weight of that tree is, or that concrete block.

In your eyes, what's a conservative estimate for how much the tree would weigh?

Like, really, what's the lowest possible weight that tree could reasonably have?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I personally have no trouble giving Slade the benefit of doubt and saying that he is Captain America's physical equal, but make no mistake that is me being charitable. Frankly, Slade doesn't have the feats to support the notion that he is physically on par with Captain America, but he does have narrative statements that say he has are various 10x human strength (yada yada yada), so even though he never showcases it I'm willing to place him at class 2 and on par with Captain America. But when someone wants to make the absurd case that Slade is [b]above Captain America I resend my charity and make it a feat war, and anyone know with a marginal familiarity with the two characters knows that is a war Slade can't win. [/B]

I can't take you seriously if you can't make sure your statements line up with what you've actually done. So I bid you farewell.

Originally posted by Existere
There has actually been provided reasoning for believing the tree to be 800 pounds.

In your eyes, what's a conservative estimate for how much the tree would weigh?

Like, really, what's the lowest possible weight that tree could reasonably have?

Its pretty damn simple actually.....undeterminable, but certainly not over 3000 lbs

Originally posted by namorsubby
undeterminable

Guess there's no discussion to be had here, gentlemen.

There really isn't, not with imaginary estimates popping out of thin air left and right. The only number I ever quoted here was an average sarcophagus weight, which anyone can easily access. Not a number I dreampt up then changed when it wasnt high enough.

Originally posted by red sabre
captain america actually tossed hulk who weights 3 times the weight of a gorilla 😆

Cap wins a slight majority.

Originally posted by namorsubby
You just stated that you made it a feat war, and you did not post feats. This is one of the many things you say that make absolutely no sense. Somehow it doesnt seem to affect your own view of yourself. Ignorance truly is bliss I suppose.

I can't take you seriously if you can't make sure your statements line up with what you've actually done. So I bid you farewell.

Its pretty damn simple actually.....undeterminable, but certainly not over 3000 lbs

How short is your memory? I agreed to a scan war with you just this morning, you opted out. No wonder you have to be reminded what Captain America has done every three weeks.

Anyway, Captain America's feats exist independently of me referencing them. Most of them were in the link red sabre posted, and even if they weren't everyone who patrons a site like this on a semi frequent basis knows what Captain America's best feats are (you yourself have been reminded yourself on more than a dozen separate occasions), he is a street level staple, everything he has ever done as been posted and discussed ad nauseum. No one needs to be shown the strength feats of Batman or Captain America. They are the two biggest street level names in their perspective companies, we all know what they are capable off. We've seen every feat they have ever done posted a 1000 times (even if you like to pretend that you haven't.) Slade's feats just don't stack up. Hell they don't stack up to Batman's, let alone Captain America's. I'm willing to give Slade the benefit of the doubt, but if you want argue that he is above Capt then he stand on the merits of his accomplishments... meager as they may be.

800-900lbs is the absolute minimum that tree could weigh in at. Math. Google it.

I opted out? No. ill compare feats with anyone that will actually post feats. Ive proven that time and again. You only post ridiculous argument and never feats. I knew this and won't waste my time unless you posts scans first to support claims that you came with in the first place.

And you didnt say I offered to pertake in a feat war and namorsubby declined. You said you made feat war. Stop trying to back track to save your ass. Stop making excuses for why you won't post feats for cap. You are so full of it

Originally posted by namorsubby
I opted out? No. ill compare feats with anyone that will actually post feats. Ive proven that time and again. You only post ridiculous argument and never feats. I knew this and won't waste my time unless you posts scans first to support claims that you came with in the first place.

And you didnt say I offered to pertake in a feat war and namorsubby declined. You said you made feat war. Stop trying to back track to save your ass. Stop making excuses for why you won't post feats for cap. You are so full of it

You won't compare feats, the closest you ever come to that is bitching and moaning about how Slade used to beat up Nightwing two decades ago and complain about low balling. Slade has trouble with street level human martial artists. He has trouble with street level human martial artists MUCH more than he has ever had success fighting teams. If you want to compare feats, I posted Arsenal beating up Slade in the other thread... start there. Captain America is the established character here, if you want to prove Slade is physically superior... then prove it. Make your case and I'd be glade to tear it apart... but we all know that you will never bother to do that... because Slade simply doesn't have the feats. I guess I can expect you to stick to more false bravado and empty posts?

How specific do I need to be in my wording here? You opted out rather than step up, and a person can't fight a "war" without an opponent.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You won't compare feats, the closest you ever come to that is bitching and moaning about how Slade used to beat up Nightwing two decades ago and complain about low balling. Slade has trouble with street level human martial artists. He has trouble with street level human martial artists MUCH more than he has ever had success fighting teams. If you want to compare feats, I posted Arsenal beating up Slade in the other thread... start there. Captain America is the established character here, if you want to prove Slade is physically superior... then prove it. Make your case and I'd be glade to tear it apart... but we all know that you will never bother to do that... because Slade simply doesn't have the feats. I guess I can expect you to stick to more false bravado and empty posts?

How specific do I need to be in my wording here? You opted out rather than step up, and a person can't fight a "war" without an opponent.

You never even attempt to validate anything you say with evidence. And your statements are down right absurd.

1. Slade is superior to nw and other street level mas. Theres no way you can prove him having trouble with them occurs more then him engaging teams. No cis included. Give me a comparison number or shut up.

2.youre a hypocrite that is doing exactly what youre accusing. You dont post anything. You simply respond with words to anything shown, giving bull shit excuses for why you view what is posted as insufficient.

And I've never opted out of anything. I've posted feats. You refuse to.

and what do you mean how specific? The feat war statement was simply a lie. You can't make feat war w/o posting a feat you imbecile.

Cap takes Bats much more than not here. Taking away their equipment and making it solely HTH hurts Batman alot more than Captain America. In a HTH fight, Cap has virtually all of the advantages, with Batman maybe having a slight skill advantage and brains bonus, while Cap is stronger, faster, tougher, better reflexes and longer lasting. Batman would do better against Cap if they all had equipment, without it Steve takes dow Bruce, without a doubt.