Originally posted by Raisen
Batman couldn't deadlift 650 on panel? lol. I used to work out with 405 and I know plenty of guys that can dead 650 or more for one rep.
Is that on panel?
Yes. It was the whole point of Dennis O'Neil's Venom. Batman wasn't strong enough to save life of a girl, and when he tried to replicate the feat, dead lifting 630lbs, he failed. So he went crazy and became addicted to Venom. It's actually quite a good story that serves to humanize Batman, and unlike random Batman workout scenes, it's actually integral to the story. 😎
Originally posted by abhilegend
Batman stalemated real silver age karate kid. You can post as much bullshit as you want, LO3W and other legion titles established their continuity as it was pre-crisis. You wouldn't know that however. Also LAWL @ just looking alike bullshit. This is pathetic by even your standards.Again LAWL @lasting. Batman stalemated KK in a real h2h fight. Cry more if you want.
Lawl. I know more about any character than you. I never claimed superman would beat thanos. Stop talking out of your ass.
No he "stalemated" Retroboot Karate Kid. Retroboot supposedly - according to interviews which are non-canon - had the same continuity as Silver Age KK up until the Crisis then diverged... except that's bullshit because they made documented changes to the continuity of the Silver Age Legion on panel, particularly evolving Supergirl. So... what's canon and what's not? How the hell am I supposed to know? I'm not, which is the point. It's Schrodinger's cat. It's the same bullshit DC tried to pull with Batman in the New 52. They say that Batman's history is the same, then the change every other character and make minor changes to Batman himself. Well guess what? That changes everything. If one thing changes then everything changes. Retroboot Legion is not Silver Age Legion. They share a cosmetic similarity but outside of what was actually shown on panel it's impossible to say what remains the same between them and the real Silver Age Legion.
Also, even mind controlled and off his game featless Retroboot KK was kicking Batman's ass before Black Lightening laid him out.
Originally posted by srankmissingninYou are delusional if you actually believe Cap can wind up and throw his shield after a bullet has been fired. Feats like that are not only unclear of writer's intentions but are grossly extreme outliers. They are no more valid than Batman blocking a beam of light with a mirror after the beam has entered the air. Blocking bullets with hand sized objects or smaller is not standard street level stuff. Only a few have done it and those that have done it was very very rarely in their careers. Any sane comic fan who has read lots of Cap and Batman knows they are about the same speed h2h wise. Your credibility gets destroyed by assuming otherwise.
Cap can start a complex action like winding up and throwing his shield after a bullet is fired, and finish that action before the bullet gets to him, and still dodge the bullet. His speed feats are better than Batman's. Significantly. Blocking bullets is standard street level canon, it has nothing on the type of stuff Cap pulls off.
Good way to dodge me. Again where has it been documented that Cap is a 2 tonner on average? Spiderman has countless feats above 20 tons but he is still 10-15 tons average. On average Cap can lift a ton and Batman around 800-1000lb. That's non delusional comics there. Batman has broken chains with ease (which can have tensile strength of 14 tons) and ripped huge steel pipes. Again both have superhuman feats. Naming feats greater than 2 tons by Cap doesn't automatically make him above a 2 tonner. Otherwise Spidey would be at least a 50 tonner. Stop with the con games.
Where is it documented? How about in all of his comic book appearances from the past two decades? Cap's best strength feats are well document in this thread, and threads like it. He has been pulling of class 2 feats of strength with causal ease now. Batman's very best strength feats aren't even to par with stuff Cap does without furrowing his brow, and those feats extreme outliers for Batman, akin to Spider-man holding up thousands of tons of concrete. Batman's feats of Mother-lifting-a-car-of-their-child hysterical strength fall short of Cap's baseline average... and those feats are in no way an indication of Batman's true strength level. Batman's absolute peak, one rep max, isn't even on the level of Cap uses for a warm up rep before he starts his actually work out. I can use extreme outliers to make Cap even stronger my self if I wanted too, like Cap up lifting an 8 ton concrete statue, but I don't, because I have integrity.
You lowballed Batman. Stop lying. You lowballed his armor. I didn't lowball Cap. Don't try to cover it up with this irrelevant nonsense.
I never mention anyone's low feats except in counter to someone on the opposition doing it. If I wanted to low ball Batman I would say it is documented that he can't even dead lift 650, where as Captain America can curl 400lbs. I don't low ball Batman, it look at his average strength feats. His average places him in the 800lbs to 1000lbs range (as I already stated), where as Captain America is causally sitting in the 2 ton range. If however you would like me to start lowing balling Batman for real, let me know, I would be glad to oblige.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You can disagree all you want. Cap is a documented 2 tonner. Batman is a documented 800-1000lbs-er. There is a big difference between Cap's "superhuman by real life standards," and Batman's "superhuman by real life standards."The rest is a bunch of nonsense... would you please go look at the their best feats and educate your self?
Originally posted by srankmissingninWell then you don't know WTF you're talking about. Silver age legion never got rebooted, that was explicitly stated in Action Comics 591, Superman v2 8 and Legion of Super-Heroes v3 38 and their entire PC continuity was explicitly shown in detail in those comics. Also its not like the editor and writer said those things like in case of Batman. Batman is changed because other characters are changed and he doesn't notice it. When this happened to Legion, cosmic boy immediately found out that the characters are changed and this was explained as pocket dimension superboy joining legion. As for supergirl, Andromeda was retroactively substituted in her place like Hippolyta replaced diana in adventures with JSA. Then they were suddenly substituated in legion books by Earth 247 legion and then by Earth prime Legion. They were brought back as they were before COIE by Johns in Lightning saga and Superman and LOSH and in LO3W. If you like I can produce on panel evidence of every PC Legion storyline occuring post crisis. Would you shut up about this retroboot crap?
No he "stalemated" Retroboot Karate Kid. Retroboot supposedly - according to interviews which are non-canon - had the same continuity as Silver Age KK up until the Crisis then diverged... except that's bullshit because they made documented changes to the continuity of the Silver Age Legion on panel, particularly evolving Supergirl. So... what's canon and what's not? How the hell am I supposed to know? I'm not, which is the point. It's Schrodinger's cat. It's the same bullshit DC tried to pull with Batman in the New 52. They say that Batman's history is the same, then the change every other character and make minor changes to Batman himself. Well guess what? That changes everything. If one thing changes then everything changes. Retroboot Legion is not Silver Age Legion. They share a cosmetic similarity but outside of what was actually shown on panel it's impossible to say what remains the same between them and the real Silver Age Legion.Also, even mind controlled and off his game featless Retroboot KK was kicking Batman's ass before Black Lightening laid him out.
Again Lawl. You can lowball this as much you want, its still better than everything cap has done.
Originally posted by srankmissingninBatman's lowest feat ever in comics
Yes. It was the whole point of Dennis O'Neil's Venom. Batman wasn't strong enough to save life of a girl, and when he tried to replicate the feat, dead lifting 630lbs, he failed. So he went crazy and became addicted to Venom. It's actually quite a good story that serves to humanize Batman, and unlike random Batman workout scenes, it's actually integral to the story. 😎
I wish the doctors never artificially inseminated your mother with pig semen to create you