Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You ever going to start reading comics that don't have an 'S' shield on the cover?Cap is - without a shadow of a doubt - more skilled than Batman.
When cap stalemates the best MA in both DC and Marvel and not gets humiliated by wolverine in MA, call me. You can also BZ this with Phil if you like. Also don't post your laughably biased opinions as facts. Excuse me while I'm laughing.
Originally posted by h1a8
If Being stated = truth then DOS DD is faster than flash and Sentry stalemated Galactus. I can accept that if you can. Cap never was portrayed faster than any top MA he has fought in comics.
The statements I was talking about were made during encounters with the people in question.
If you can show me Sentry fighting Galactus when his statement was made, I'll accept it.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You can disagree all you want. Cap is a documented 2 tonner. Batman is a documented 800-1000lbs-er. There is a big difference between Cap's "superhuman by real life standards," and Batman's "superhuman by real life standards."The rest is a bunch of nonsense... would you please go look at the their best feats and educate your self?
Cap has no speed feat greater than batting bullets with a hand sized object.
Where is it documented that Cap is a 2 tonner as norm? Batman has feats above 1000lbs.
Going by averages of history then I would say Cap is a tonner and Batman around 1000lb.
You are lowballing. But when you argue for Cap, Wolverine, etc. you never mention there low feats. You only mention them against the characters you are arguing against (D.C. characters). It's hard to take you seriously when you are clearly Marvel Bias.
Originally posted by Daredevil1He stitched up his costume and went straight after his son in Zola's base. He's still concussed from the beating and nosedive off the cliff he took when Zola left him for dead. And the wound is still bleeding.
Curious does anyone know what happened to Steve after he took Zola out of his chest? Did he need some time to heal? How long did it take him to heal that?Would appreciate it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I already do. You ever start reading comics without your wolverine glasses.When cap stalemates the best MA in both DC and Marvel and not gets humiliated by wolverine in MA, call me. You can also BZ this with Phil if you like. Also don't post your laughably biased opinions as facts. Excuse me while I'm laughing.
No you're offerring a challenge on somebody's else's behalf Abhi? Why doesn't this surprise me coming from you. How about you step up and do a BZ? Besides, Philo isn't stupid enough to BZ the subject... he knows his limits and batmans. That said, i'm still waiting on you taking that THanos vs. Superman matchup.. guess I'll still be waiting.
Cap uprooted a statue while tied to it, and it weighed at least 4 tons, and probably more like 6 or 7.
Skill is a completely arbitrary term the way its thrown around in cross universe fights with elite fighters.
How fast you can punch and kick, how quick your reflexes are, how good your balance is etc. Quantifiable things like that determine your ability to fight. You can't quantify technique.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Cap uprooted a statue while tied to it, and it weighed at least 4 tons, and probably more like 6 or 7.Skill is a completely arbitrary term the way its thrown around.
How fast you can punch and kick, how quick your reflexes are, how good your balance is etc. Quantifiable things like that determine your ability to fight. You can't quantify technique.
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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No you're offerring a challenge on somebody's else's behalf Abhi? Why doesn't this surprise me coming from you. How about you step up and do a BZ? Besides, Philo isn't stupid enough to BZ the subject... he knows his limits and batmans. That said, i'm still waiting on you taking that THanos vs. Superman matchup.. guess I'll still be waiting.
Originally posted by h1a8
Cap has no speed feat greater than batting bullets with a hand sized object.Where is it documented that Cap is a 2 tonner as norm? Batman has feats above 1000lbs.
Going by averages of history then I would say Cap is a tonner and Batman around 1000lb.
You are lowballing. But when you argue for Cap, Wolverine, etc. you never mention there low feats. You only mention them against the characters you are arguing against (D.C. characters). It's hard to take you seriously when you are clearly Marvel Bias.
Cap can start a complex action like winding up and throwing his shield after a bullet is fired, and finish that action before the bullet gets to him, and still dodge the bullet. His speed feats are better than Batman's. Significantly. Blocking bullets is standard street level canon, it has nothing on the type of stuff Cap pulls off.
Where is it documented? How about in all of his comic book appearances from the past two decades? Cap's best strength feats are well document in this thread, and threads like it. He has been pulling of class 2 feats of strength with causal ease now. Batman's very best strength feats aren't even to par with stuff Cap does without furrowing his brow, and those feats extreme outliers for Batman, akin to Spider-man holding up thousands of tons of concrete. Batman's feats of Mother-lifting-a-car-of-their-child hysterical strength fall short of Cap's baseline average... and those feats are in no way an indication of Batman's true strength level. Batman's absolute peak, one rep max, isn't even on the level of Cap uses for a warm up rep before he starts his actually work out. I can use extreme outliers to make Cap even stronger my self if I wanted too, like Cap up lifting an 8 ton concrete statue, but I don't, because I have integrity.
I never mention anyone's low feats except in counter to someone on the opposition doing it. If I wanted to low ball Batman I would say it is documented that he can't even dead lift 650, where as Captain America can curl 400lbs. I don't low ball Batman, it look at his average strength feats. His average places him in the 800lbs to 1000lbs range (as I already stated), where as Captain America is causally sitting in the 2 ton range. If however you would like me to start lowing balling Batman for real, let me know, I would be glad to oblige.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I already do. You ever start reading comics without your wolverine glasses.When cap stalemates the best MA in both DC and Marvel and not gets humiliated by wolverine in MA, call me. You can also BZ this with Phil if you like. Also don't post your laughably biased opinions as facts. Excuse me while I'm laughing.
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Batman "stalemated" Trident, a mind controlled featless Retroboot Karate Kid. Am I supposed to be impressed? Are we pretending that Retroboot is the real Silver Age Karate Kid? Because he isn't, he just looks like him. Also Batman didn't stalemate Trident, he got worked over and had his belt taken off him without even noticing, he just managed to last long enough for Black Lightening to blast KK.
Originally posted by abhilegendYou don't know about any character besides superman more than me. Even then, that info is limited because of how far up supermans ass you are. YOu claim superman can beat Thanos.. I and others challenged you on this... Don't act like you don't remember now...
WTF are you talking about this time? I already know about more about these or any characters than you because I actually read the comics. Now shut up. When did I accept a Thanos/superman BZ anyway or you offered me one? Is this like "matter manipulating" house, again?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
😆Batman "stalemated" Trident, a mind controlled featless Retroboot Karate Kid. Am I supposed to be impressed? Are we pretending that Retroboot is the real Silver Age Karate Kid? Because he isn't, he just looks like him. Also Batman didn't stalemate Trident, he got worked over and had his belt taken off him without even noticing, he just managed to last long enough for Black Lightening to blast KK.
Again LAWL @lasting. Batman stalemated KK in a real h2h fight. Cry more if you want.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You don't know about any character besides superman more than me. Even then, that info is limited because of how far up supermans ass you are. YOu claim superman can beat Thanos.. I and others challenged you on this... Don't act like you don't remember now...
Lawl. I know more about any character than you. I never claimed superman would beat thanos. Stop talking out of your ass.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Cap can start a complex action like winding up and throwing his shield after a bullet is fired, and finish that action before the bullet gets to him, and still dodge the bullet. His speed feats are better than Batman's. Significantly. Blocking bullets is standard street level canon, it has nothing on the type of stuff Cap pulls off.Where is it documented? How about in all of his comic book appearances from the past two decades? Cap's best strength feats are well document in this thread, and threads like it. He has been pulling of class 2 feats of strength with causal ease now. Batman's very best strength feats aren't even to par with stuff Cap does without furrowing his brow, and those feats extreme outliers for Batman, akin to Spider-man holding up thousands of tons of concrete. Batman's feats of Mother-lifting-a-car-of-their-child hysterical strength fall short of Cap's baseline average... and those feats are in no way an indication of Batman's true strength level. Batman's absolute peak, one rep max, isn't even on the level of Cap uses for a warm up rep before he starts his actually work out. I can use extreme outliers to make Cap even stronger my self if I wanted too, like Cap up lifting an 8 ton concrete statue, but I don't, because I have integrity.
I never mention anyone's low feats except in counter to someone on the opposition doing it. If I wanted to low ball Batman I would say it is documented that he can't even dead lift 650, where as Captain America can curl 400lbs. I don't low ball Batman, it look at his average strength feats. His average places him in the 800lbs to 1000lbs range (as I already stated), where as Captain America is causally sitting in the 2 ton range. If however you would like me to start lowing balling Batman for real, let me know, I would be glad to oblige.
Batman couldn't deadlift 650 on panel? lol. I used to work out with 405 and I know plenty of guys that can dead 650 or more for one rep.
Is that on panel?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Sure it didn't LOL. How come you don't wanna do a batman vs. Cap matchup.. since you're claiming batman can win
Because I have no interest in a street level BZ. I also never claimed batman would win here, in fact I gave cap 7/10 here. I just think batman is more skilled.