Originally posted by brainchild81
You still don't get it. Batman wasn't fighting nonstop for 3 days straight. It's not the same thing. It's not even comparable. Nonstop fighting for a straight hour w/somebody who's faster stronger and not getting tired will be very tiring. I'm not saying he'll pass out from exhaustion after an hour. I'm saying he won't be fighting anywhere near as fresh as Cap. This can't be denied.
He won't be "fresh", but neither will Cap... If it really lasts an hour, both will have taken shots, one of them will likely already have the upper hand. Cap doesn't get tired, but he DOES get hurt. Batman was active throughout all 4 days- he did not rest, period. 1 hour will not do much to him at all, stamina will NOT play a role in the fight. Batman would tire before Cap, but one of them will be unconscious or dead before he even begins to slow down. And Cap's not faster until you show me some feats. Type em out and post issue numbers if you have to, but I'm not going to accept some random net bio as good evidence.
I don't have a scanner and there's not a regular Cap thread in the Respect thread directory. There's Ultimate Cap, but that reeeeeealy wouldn't be fair to Batman. I won't beat you in a scan war.
Issue numbers, other forums, etc. You can find a LOT of scans online. (heck, its usually easier to find em on the net than to actually dig through comics and scan em yourself, a good portion of the time) Bios don't cut it for me. Find me some feats, not just personal opinions. Logic only goes so far if it isn't based in good solid fact.
Guy must move pretty slow then. Otherwise it still doesn't make a bit of sense. Everytime Bats went to exploit anything, dude should've seen it a mile away and moved accordingly.
Zeiss was a superb bodyguard before his enhancements.
That's pre enhancement.
"The Sicilian was right about me. I had been born for this... I was his bodyguard and soldier. And no one could touch me."
"I saw every nuance and every move my opponents made in slow motion. I could play back their moves in my head, study them. As good as I was then, I was that much better now. My reflexes and nerves fired like pistons at top speed. As long as I had my goggles on, the world stood still for me."
He's hella fast. Batman is simply way too good for him. Human muscles can't contract fast enough to get out of the way of a bullet after it leaves the chamber. If the world were slowed to a crawl before the bullet hit you, it would be physically impossible to stop or dodge it, no matter how long you had to think about it. Batman finds holes in his defense and exploits them. Zeiss sees em coming, but can't do a thing to stop it. His reactions are godly, but his body is only hovering at peak human speed.
An amped up Soldier w/one combat effective arm. That's alot different from Cap.
Ignoring the arm... How? Still not a good combat feat for Batman, though he DID win pretty handedly. I was merely pointing out that he's seen super serums before.
Read above about the scan war.
What do you want me to do then? Submit to you and your magic "logic"? I make claims and back em up, you make claims. I'll stick to my way. There's other places to go for scans when you don't have a scanner, as I explained before.
Believe me I hate the idea of Supes winning, even against WW, but that's what would happen if he wasn't being a nice guy.
I won't get into it now, but Supes vs. WW is probably one of my favorite debates... But I'll say this. You know how fighting skills help street levelers overcome big physical disadvantages? Well, Wonderwoman's physical disadvantages are relatively small. And her fighting skills are nearly unmatched in all of DC. Drop it now, please, but it's a hell of a good argument. An underdog who I actually think can win! (and no... Batman is never an underdog. He's Batman)
I've heard of him, but never seen him. Any scans?
Would I be the wind beneath unknowable's wings without them? (haha, sorry uk, no offense meant, I just found that particular one pretty funny)
Sick reputation...
Other than that, his claim to fame is really defeating Shiva... Then getting distracted before killing her, restarting the fight, and dying. It was shown he was pretty much her equal, and he was also her main teacher. So yeah, he's damn good.
I didn't know that was an experience feat. Still, fighting a one armed non Cap isn't a good comparison to fighting the real Cap w/2 arms. Come on now.
Meh, I suppose not. It's different, yet still close. Still not his best day, by a longshot.
🙄 Not necessarily true. Cap'd recover much faster than that guy and I'm not sure the initial effect would be as large on Cap.
Yes, but does Batman have to wait for him to recover? Poke, biff, whammo, Batman wins. (not really... I seriously doubt that particular one would work, it's more of a knowledge of pressure points than a specific move he would use)
Wasted your time w/that rant. Seriously, go back to my original post and read it again. YOU MISUNDERSTOOD. Look @ what you were quoted on and my response to it. YOU MISUNDERSTOOD bro. I didn't intend to talk down to you, just correcting you. You misread. You're human and we all make mistakes. Please just read it again. I'd rather not correct you a 3rd time. You'll be forcing me to talk down to you if you don't get it this time.
I did last time... You basically said that pressure points would not work on Cap, becasue his skills are basically equal to Batman's, plus the fact that he is stronger, and that he would be on the offensive more often. (you also said faster, but we all know how that goes by now) Honestly, if I'm way off the mark, feel free to clarify yourself at any time. And instead of just saying I misunderstood, you could tell us what you said again to conserve time...
Lame attempt @ sarcasm.🙂 One of my friend's is skilled @ basketball. Another is admitedly less skilled and less knowledgable, but wins the majority because he's bigger and can jump higher and knows what works. Anyway, Batman knows more styles, that's all. Watch UFC on Spike TV. Knowing more style is not a definite win.
You know you envy my dry wit and effective use of sarcasm. 😄 I know a guy who's about 5'11'' and usually beats another guy, who's at least 6'4''. Both start on their respective school teams, both are skilled, the smaller one wins more often than not. Batman knows everything that Cap knows. It's not a question of a number. Batman's skill is better than Cap's, in all aspects. Cap knows useful arts, Batman knows all of the ones Cap does, plus more. UFC actually proves that multiple styles are necessary... And that being able to counter the other's style is usually a very good way to win.
His durability must've been pretty low or he must have needed some water. Batman manhandled him. That kick he landed should've hurt Bats but it looks like he just shrugged it off. Was AM dry?
Nah, the fight took place next to water.
Again, just give issue numbers, or search other forums. Superherochat usually has anything and everything...
