Originally posted by brainchild81
😆 Me neither. Feel free to add something to the debate
We know how clever Batman is already. He usually has gadgets to help him "find a way". Here he doesn't. Cap's not a physically superior idiot, if he was I'd be giving this to Batman 10/10. Cap has shown himself to be a great strategist also. Cap "finds a way" often with just that shield. Neither of these guys is stupid in a fight and Cap is physically superior. Cap will win.Cap can also hold his own against more powerful opponents when they are holding back like Spawn was holding back for Batman. I could hold my own against Spawn when he's holding back. So can Aunt May But that's just not true. If it was true, then they'd be physically even. Cap is physically superior.
All good points, except for "Cap will win". 🙂 Seriously, unknowable... I'm trying to debate here, but God damn suckuppage gets annoying. Don't post just to tell me how amazing I am, we already know. Bring original arguments, you don't contribute to mine when you repost em all with the quote function.
Oh, and Cap doesn't even get "just that shield". And Bats vs. Spawn is still impressive. He wasn't turning Batman into goo with magic, but he's still class 25ish, and nigh on unkillable.
A better statement would be"Let's face it, what Cap has achieved in taking the super soldier serum, Batman has almost achieved through extensive, obsessive, compulsive hard work."
Again, you're overexaggerating the difference to a sick degree. Cap can bench 1000, Batman can probably do something like 800. They're both REALLY strong for humans. Speedwise, I STILL think that Batman's feats outclass Cap's, and I haven't seen anything here to say otherwise. Stamina does go to Cap, but I've shown again that Batman's stamina is more than enough to last for an entire fight without tiring in the slightest. Endurance won't make any impact on this fight at all. Both are pretty equal in most other categories, like agility and flexibility, so we won't even get into it.
Now, skill is where Batman makes up for the small physical disadvantage. The VERY SMALL physical disadvantage. Batman has been training since very early in his life. He traveled the world to train with the best of the best in each art that he learned.
"The grim purpose that burned inside him was growing, demanding direction, seeking release. He looked further, to the East. He learned karate from an ascended master in the Paektu-San mountains of Korea--Savate from a convicted killer living as a beach bum on an island off Borneo. Six months in a japanese hermitage taught him the value of Judo and Ju-jitsu. From a chinese woman so old she should have been dead, he learned the secrets of the Tao, that nothing is fixed, everything is fluid, everthing is energy. He mastered a dozen disciplines, experimented with them and fused them into something that was uniquely his own. In Africa he learned how to read the environment for the signs man's passage leaves--how to find and follow a trail to which ordinary men were blind...The ninjas taught him their secrets--how to use the shadows, how to employ psychology to win the battle before it's even fought--the precautions to take when you make yourself a target--and how to use fear." - Shadow of the Bat #0
This is probably the best quote imaginable to illustrate my point. Batman is hardcore. Cap is roughly 70 years old, but was frozen for more than 30 of those years. He also started training much much later in life than Batman, and his training was much less extensive. He trains regularly, but does not work to improve his actual fighting technique. Batman, through both feats and history, is the much more skilled fighter here, as he knows everything that Cap does, and more. Both are pretty equally experienced, both are very gifted in terms of tactics and such. Bruce has a skill advantage, yes, but in nearly the same sense that Cap has a physical advantage- it is a very small one.
Here's Batman. The most important parts are in red & now the Captain Superior to Olympians is better than equal or near-equal to Olympians
Now that's just plain straw grabbing if I've ever seen it. You're quoting bios... Batman is far superior to any Olympic athlete, as he has proven time and time again.
