Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

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Originally posted by Jose123
He doesn't suck at fighting. One of the best fighters in Marvel U.

When did I say he sucked at fighting dude? I said if I was batman I wouldn't want to fight someone who DIDN'T suck at fighting that could bench 500 pounds. I have now found out he PRESS 800 pounds, which makes it seem scarier. I was saying that if caps sucked at fighting that he would get his ass beat, but since he doesn't, it could go either way. But now that I know his strength is better, I think he would win most of the time. Don't read posts so fast

Originally posted by superman420sexy
When did I say he sucked at fighting dude? I said if I was batman I wouldn't want to fight someone who DIDN'T suck at fighting that could bench 500 pounds. I have now found out he PRESS 800 pounds, which makes it seem scarier. I was saying that if caps sucked at fighting that he would get his ass beat, but since he doesn't, it could go either way. But now that I know his strength is better, I think he would win most of the time. Don't read posts so fast

My bad. Miss read your post.

Originally posted by superman420sexy
When did I say he sucked at fighting dude? I said if I was batman I wouldn't want to fight someone who DIDN'T suck at fighting that could bench 500 pounds. I have now found out he PRESS 800 pounds, which makes it seem scarier.

Ive seen him curl 500 lbs. And bench 1100 lbs.

Originally posted by Jose123
My bad. Miss read your post.
doont apologize you are right, he is still underestimating cap so he minus well say that cap sucks at fighitng, since someone who hes bigger,faster,stronger,and more agile and durable than, can juss kick his ass

I have been in 3 cage fights I'm 6 foot 264 pounds I come from a powerlifting back ground very strong and explosive have bench 600 for 3 reps deadlifted 765 and squated 785. My second fight was with a small 225 fighter muy tai I had the strength, size on him he was very skilled been at it for years was able to keep me off him with leg kicks and his speed for 2 rounds I had a knot on my leg like a baseball was greatly fatigue in the third he faked with a leg kick caught me with a left hand I was rocked on my feet instead on staying away from me and popping me with shots from the outside he came in I still had strength got the slam got forearm shots on him it was stopped. Now I told you all that becuase I believe Batman has a shot if he sticks to striking on his feet keeping his spacing look for something big early because the longer the fight goes the more hes in danger Cap will not wear down he will still have his power No matter how great of a specimen you are we as humans wear down Lactic acid builds up I got lucky Bats has got to look for the knockout quick I give this to cap though 8/10 tuff to beat a guy who does not wear down.

Originally posted by King KAM
doont apologize you are right, he is still underestimating cap so he minus well say that cap sucks at fighitng, since someone who hes bigger,faster,stronger,and more agile and durable than, can juss kick his ass

I never said he sucked at fighting to begin with. I was basically hinting that cap would win in my first post, but since bats does have a slight edge in fighting that he could win. Maby I should have been more specific but I never said he sucked at fighting. I didn't want to say since he could bench 500 pounds(which he is stronger than that anyway, now I know this), I didn't want to say he would win cuz of the strength advantage, cuz some guy would come along and say"MARTIAL ARTS MARTIAL ARTS" So I decided to rule out that possibilit by saying if caps sucked at fighting, then he would lose but since he doesn't it could go either way. I left out that it would prolly tip in caps favor though

Thx jose u just must have been in a hurry. It's all good in the hood

Batman is a master of Haragei, a master who has expanded his physical senses over this plane of existence to another and thus becoming hyper aware of his surroundings without appearing to really being anything different from others. He is keenly aware of everything going on around him and also the microscopic and the astral world around himself. Furthermore he can feel that world around himself and thus being one of the most difficult targets for telepathy and also telepathic obfuscation. Along these lines the Bat has learnt and masters both the Sakki and Kiai. Kiai is the ability to feel the intent and thus be able to act accordingly. However Sakki is the force of the intention and with these three pillars the Bat can take the physical battle to another level, to the psychological, the mental plane. The Sakki and Kiai, completed with the mastery of Haragei can be used as physical weapons, a force of wills where every blow is even stronger than the physical ones. As a ninja and a master of haragei, Batman has learnt to cope without his sensory input, making him able to fight and function without any sort of handicap should he lose his sight or hearing, or other senses. The fact is that the Bat is far beyond the human senses and even though they are handy, they're not needed.

Chi is another facet and a tactic the Batman uses, much like Sakki, it can be projected through the combat. Batman has been shown, on numerous occasions, to be able to perform feats impossible to humans. He has been shown to kick down trees, punch through concrete and mortar walls. He has been shown to be able to lift up a stone totem that weighed over a ton. He can project his Chi out of his body and aid him physically, because of this it is no big feat for him to punch through living trees and walls. By focusing his Chi inside his body he can ignore the physical damage and pain he receives. Through his training, Batman has trained himself to ignore exhaustion, sleep deprivation, emotions and also pain and agony. To anyone looking at the Bat, there is nothing remotely human about him other than the chin. As a Bat, when under control, he feels no emotions, no fear, no love, he is completely indifferent to the world around himself and thus he is in tune with it as Tao teaches. He flows from one motion to another in the river of life, this granting him the sixth sense, intuism he always listens to, the thing that has saved his life on many occasions.

This form, this Tao was taught to him by Mistress Shao-La in the Himalayas. Bruce Wayne had heard about a master with great power residing in the mountains and the young boy wanted to learn more. He went to the master who'd teach him the Tao and also self-control. The light side of this force would give him the control over his emotions and the ability to be in tune with the world, but it wasn't enough for him. Bruce Wayne wanted power, true power and after Shao-La told him about Master H'Sien Tan he would venture out there and learn.

From H'Sien Tan Bruce Wayne learnt the path of personal power. He learnt from the man that he had two destinies and by choosing one of them he'd receive everything he had ever wanted and the second would make him nearly omnipotent. This path would be the path of personal power he sought to avenge and to protect. In time it would also consume him. This little story is part of the package H'Sien Tan taught Bruce. The acceptance. The acceptance of one's fate, one's death and one's power. It was also a craft he taught to Bruce, to know, to feel the world and the energies around himself, to harness those energies and glean answers from them. This form of spiritualism has served Bruce well, but also it has twisted him and he has found ways to distort it, making him appear the victim even if he has wanted it. From H'Sien Tan he also learnt a way to control himself, not just his emotions but his body. Bruce is capable of, instinctually, command his body to stop bleeding, force healing on himself and even more importantly, he is able to ignore the toll exhaustion and the lack of sleep inflicts on him. Also Tan taught him the way to slow down his heart, the flow of his blood, to the level of dying and yet remaining alive.

The dark forces of Tao, the greed, is a powerful mistress and because of this the person who wields these arts needs to be mentally strong to wrest the control lest it controls him in his path to power. This dark art comprises partly of alchemy and magic mixed in with the mental control and hypnotism and this is the most formidable teaching Tan had to give Bruce.

Batman is able to force his presence on others, much like the way the Wrath of God appears. He can grow in people's minds, project his terror on them and destroy their minds, but at the same time he can push his presence inwardly and just disappear from their mind's eye, right in front of them and none will know how nor why. Furthermore he has learnt the power of suggestion, the ability to appear as something else to anyone and this is the key behind his quick costume changes and his disappearances. To add to this, his skills in these arts have given him a willpower matched by nearly none as he can ignore anything and go through stone and rock. The last skill Tan gave to Bruce was the art of the Tiger Fist, a punch so powerful it can rend through mountains, a skill, an art known to only 5 people on Earth and only 2 of them survive 'til this day.

As a ninja, a shadow assassin, Batman has been taught to use his surroundings to his advantage and so he knows when there are people in the correct vantage points, he knows how to conceal himself so that he is virtually invisible and he knows the ways to use the surroundings offensively. This lesson is part of the reason why the Bat was created in this visage. Bruce knows the hearts of the men and he can defeat them before engaging them in combat. In ancient times in Japan, the warrior caste, the Samurai, used the Ninja because their honor couldn't handle the deceitful tactics. However, Batman has no qualms with this and actually he uses quite a lot of deception as he does his work. Chu Chin Li and later on David Cain taught him the assassination tactics and skills, so he is aware of how a possible assassin will work and will think, and he can prepare against these situations.

Japanese sword fighting or Kendo is part of the Bushido class and way of life and also practiced by Batman and Bruce Wayne. From Bushido and Taothe Batman has taken the meditation skills taught to him by Shao-La for clearing his mind and his conscience, even if Alfred tends to call it brooding. Many a time the Bat has solved a case while meditating or sleeping, which is quite the same thing for him as he utilizes the sleeping techniques Shao-La taught him.

The ways of the Shadow Warrior are quite many and there are different rumors and different legends about the ninjas, and when concerning the Bat most of them hold true. However the main thing about the ninja is that they're adaptable and Batman has taken this strategy in his heart and cherishes it. He adapts to any situation and if he isn't able to conquer, he will find another way to do it.

Perfect human vs human, eh? Right. Batman is definitely weak next to Captain America. And you know all of his training was perfectly useless. Yes, Cap definitely wins 10/10.

Wait for it... Wait for it...

Regular human my left nut.

Hey, it's Batgirl!!! Didn't she beat Lady Shiva, or something like that? AND Deathstroke's daughter too, amazingly enough. And she's (DS's kid) got real precog... Admittedly, there were some gadgets thrown around, but a good majority of it is simply h2h fighting. And Batman does quite well indeed.

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Now, I'm not saying Batman should take all of em... He should probably get right around half. This fight is disgustingly equal, both will end up winning 5/10.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Perfect human vs human, eh? Right. Batman is definitely weak next to Captain America. And you know all of his training was perfectly useless. Yes, Cap definitely wins 10/10.

Wait for it... Wait for it...

Regular human my left nut.

I guess thats a vote for batman?

Nah. Tie, 5/10 each.

cool I agree after reading braz's post and looking at your picture. I didn't know batman could do all that/ had good chi manipulating ablity(he does know a lot of martial arts soI guess I could have figured) lol

in jla vs avengers bat said he would lose but the fight would be loooong same with me
anyways this post is boooring

Batman said Cap could conceivably beat him, as opposed to the normal street thugs that Batman normally beats up on. He was saying they were equal, not admitting defeat.

Batman doesn't only have the upper hand in combat skills and the astral aspect of combat, he is also lightyears ahead of Cap in intelligence. He uses his logic and deduction to superhuman extents, that way taking the very edge off the punches by Hulk. That's right, if you happen to stumble by the Marvel vs. DC issue with Batman versus Hulk, you might notice him not getting innured by the speed and power of this colossus. What could Captain have on him else than yankee fanboys. Captain doesn't even have that much more speed or endurance than Batman. Bruce is also at the human maximum level, and in his case, not by some short-cut drug, but through decades of miraclous study and training.

Captain America can put up a fight, no problem, but he cannot win his superior. It's not the strength alone that matters here kids, and as said, Batman is quite incredible in that department as well. Batman wins 7-8/10.

Originally posted by Tulika
Batman doesn't only have the upper hand in combat skills and the astral aspect of combat, he is also lightyears ahead of Cap in intelligence. He uses his logic and deduction to superhuman extents, that way taking the very edge off the punches by Hulk. That's right, if you happen to stumble by the Marvel vs. DC issue with Batman versus Hulk, you might notice him not getting innured by the speed and power of this colossus. What could Captain have on him else than yankee fanboys. Captain doesn't even have that much more speed or endurance than Batman. Bruce is also at the human maximum level, and in his case, not by some short-cut drug, but through decades of miraclous study and training.

Captain America can put up a fight, no problem, but he cannot win his superior. It's not the strength alone that matters here kids, and as said, Batman is quite incredible in that department as well. Batman wins 7-8/10.

don't use non canon crossovers as proof. You do know that caps not a total idiot right? He's not the leader of one of the most powerful teams in the MU for nothing.

yankee fanboys? Your an idiot.
Superior? your an idiot

^aw jose, now dont be a batman hater
😆

let the guy be 🙂 the dude just found out that this match between these two is not going to be as one sided as initially thought.

Captain is Marvels greatest h2h fighter, and Bats is just one of many....bats cant even take iron fist

cap 10/10